Quebec Could Soon Be Poorest Province

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First Posted: 02/ 7/2012 9:53 pm Updated: 02/10/2012 8:35 pm


A study from l'Université de Montréal's business school HEC Montréal has concluded that the income gap is widening between Quebec and wealthier parts of Canada – and that Quebec could be the poorest province in the country within a decade.


The research conducted by HEC's Centre for Productivity and Prosperity found that between 1978 and 2009 net average household income gains in all other provinces outstripped Quebec's gains.


In 2009, the last year the study looked at, the average resident of Newfoundland and Labrador – traditionally Canada's poorest province – earned just $3,127 less than the average Quebecer, while an Albertan averaged $17,947 more than someone living in Quebec.


"I'm not really surprised...Albertans are earning more than Quebecers. This is something we expected," said the study's author, HEC professor Martin Coiteux. "What is more worrisome is the trend."


If that trend continues, Coiteux said, "within ten years, Quebec would be the poorest province in Canada."


Living costs going up


Quebecers already pay the highest provincial taxes in the country, but they have generally consoled themselves with the belief the cost-of-living is lower in the province.


Coiteux said that is still true, but costs for necessities such as food and housing are increasing faster in Quebec than elsewhere.


"This advantage is about to disappear," Coiteux said.


Even with the lower cost of living in Quebec, Quebecers had, on average, $2,891 less to spend than Albertans in 2005. By 2009, Coiteux found that gap had ballooned to $13,352.


Coiteux said fiscal arrangements to redistribute wealth cushion the impact of Quebecers' lower earnings. Because Quebecers take home less money, they pay less in federal taxes and receive more by way of transfer payments from Ottawa.


Study finds productivity is key


Quebec's relative poverty can be blamed fundamentally on its lagging labour productivity, Coiteux said.


Quebecers' rate of participation in the workforce is lower than in other provinces, and people in the province work fewer hours per week, earn less per hour worked – and retire earlier, too.


"It's not that people are not working hard," Coiteux noted. "We are occupying positions that are not paying a lot of money – on average – compared to the richest provinces. And that shows a problem with the qualifications of the labour force."


The challenge, Coiteux added, is "adapting our young people, especially, in terms of their skills, to the kinds of jobs that are paying a high income."


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DidiM
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12:21 PM on 02/14/2012
To the Moderator: I'm finding it impossible to log onto or even find Tony Kondaks HP article re: Will Huff Post help end Quebec Aparthied.. there are more than 100 comments and I have replies I need to make - from comments I posted. Please help.
CC: being put into correspondence to Arianna and HP US. Thanks Oh also posted on Facebook.
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DidiM
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11:26 AM on 02/14/2012
WOW - The Canada and Quebec pages ARE FINALLY WORKING!! Here's hoping it stays that way. Thanks Huff Post !! :):)
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All Seeing Guy
Center of the storm
08:09 PM on 02/12/2012
"You mean we're not gonna get that publicly funded NHL rink!?!"
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Darthwave
02:20 PM on 02/09/2012
The language laws has to one of the major causes to the state of their economy. They are way too draconian and heavy handed.
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gwinegarden
She's an Arctic Wolf
01:24 PM on 02/09/2012
Of course, the PQ, et al, will say that separation is the answer to their troubles.
01:04 PM on 02/10/2012
Yeah, right.

They can't balance a budget with a $8 billion check from the federal government... but everything will be OK if they are on their own...

~

Any body believing this, let me know. I have a bridge for sell.
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DidiM
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07:40 PM on 02/08/2012
Please - let's say it as it is, because everyone knows and has known for years Quebec is the poorest Province in the country and the REASON is: The illegally enacted - illegal language laws - that have been FORCED upon the English speaking population of the Province - AGAINST our will! And the same outrageous 'langue loi's' have driven investment out of the Province faster than ever recorded in our economical history! Before the language loi's - QC was the Richest province and today - it's the poorest and the worst place to live bar none! Imagine - it has boot stomping language police for God's sake and they have been given total immunity from prosecution (as I believe has every other public servant in the Province - all illegal of course). So they're free to terrorize every business in the Greater Montreal Area. Notwithstanding no one knows what they've been doing with our tax dollars all these years.
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06:14 PM on 02/08/2012
All I wonder how big was Professor's grant money?
Do we have to support study like this?
Ten years that is a loooooooong time to project prof.
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DidiM
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07:44 PM on 02/08/2012
LOL, good one. Mind you compared to the Fraser Institute that we pay for - it took them close to 40 years to announce - last week that the WORST treated Minority in Canada is the English speaking population in Quebec!! I wonder what woke them up out of their long sleep - hmmm maybe the Conservatives telling them to freaking shape up or ship out? I sure hope so.
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Kenneth T Tellis
03:12 PM on 02/08/2012
If Kebec is now the poorest province in Canada, they can eat Joual (French patois) and drink Pepsi, after which they can have an enema of POUTINE. THAT should solve all their outstanding problems immedistely!
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bbertaud
Je ne regrette rien, rien de rien
03:11 PM on 02/08/2012
Is that a surprise?

Keep pushing Loi 101
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
12:17 PM on 02/08/2012
Isn't it time we weaned quebec?
Hasn't their culture of corruption and dependency gone on long enough?
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DidiM
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01:40 PM on 02/13/2012
You seemingly ?? forget the 2.5 Million English speaking and French Quebec Federalists that have voted repeatedly they do NOT want separation. It is NOT Quebeckers that want or have EVER wanted this lunacy. It IS and HAS BEEN the small bunch of -Good Cop - Bad Cop - Politicians that have (until the net and social media took off and allowed our voices to finally be heard) had FULL Control of ALL Media - including Canada's Main Stream Media - that has been "marketing - the "What Quebecois Wants" lunacy to the rest of the country!!
Just to let you know - we here in Quebeck - desperately - want these yahoos - and bigots - WEANED OUT of Our Canadian Owned Province of Quebec. Remember - it belongs to ALL Canadians - and YOU should and Must have the right to live and work here in English or French - because the population warrants it. So please do NOT allow these -politicians to STEAL Your Property and Your Rights Any longer! Thanks :):)
11:04 AM on 02/08/2012
Hmmm. Let's disect: European entitlement style policies, language laws pushing businesses out, 50% of people want to seperate, refusal to develop other revenue streams i.e. oil/gas resources, work less hours, retire earlier: but on top of this, still whine to be subsidized by the rest of Canada. Unbelievable!
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DidiM
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09:02 PM on 02/08/2012
No. no no. What paper have you been reading? A very, very small minority - I'd guess around 15% of Quebeckers want to separate!! And if you recall - 3 referendums later - with all of them the majority of Quebeckers voting to Remain a Province of Canada and that includes the 95 referendum that was sold as - so close; when in fact hundreds of thousands of No Votes had been stolen - so many that the votes were BURNED rather than let the Gazette see the count!! The problem s and has been: with our media (English) pretty much ERASED - and our being held captive with the yahoo seppy type politicians and party's that have DENIED any and all English participation in the political process (illegal) the rest of the country has been DENIED the truth!! 2.5 MILLION English speaking Quebeckers forced to live without rights freedoms or any of the Constitutional Protections you take for granted!! Thank God for Huff Post and the internet. The TRUTH is finally coming out.
03:01 PM on 02/09/2012
Yes, Yes, Yes. 2009 Angus Reid Poll 28% thought they should separate, and 30% say they believe that Quebec does need greater sovereignty but still remain part of Canada. However the poll did reveal that a majority (79%) of Quebecers still desired to achieve more autonomy. Whatever the numbers are it is clear majority Quebecers think they deserve special consideration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_sovereignty_movement

And you are correct I do take constitutional protections for granted because I live in in a free Canada as opposed to a supressive/prejudicial province wanting autonomy while at the same time living off the generosity of others.
01:05 PM on 02/10/2012
Kind of sad how they destroyed the last ballots... I guess some politicians were afraid of a recount, and how the margins might not have been so small after all.
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DidiM
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11:14 AM on 02/14/2012
Right...not!! We pay the highest taxes in North America; our 'services' have been cut to the freaking bone - and God forbid if you live on the South Shore - 5 minutes from downtown Montreal - NO ENGLISH SERVICES AT ALL - They've ALL been ERASED - as have our schools, media - LANGUAGE - jobs etc.. I suggest you ask your Federal MP - where the hell the money is going because it sure as hell hasn't reached us!! The MP's HAVE to know - because ALL Quebec MP's are their good pals and THEY are and have been RESPONSIBLE to "Make Sure" - tax dollars are spent properly - on a Provincial level!! And 50% of the people DO NOT WANT TO SEPARATE! 20 TO 25% IS THE TRUE number! Ask the National Media why they've been LYING to You for the last 30 years. And stop blaming us the people of Quebeck - who have been held hostage by a group of Federal and Provincial GOOFS - who've had total control of the media. If it wasn't for the net - they'd still be pulling your chain.
01:41 PM on 02/14/2012
Blah, blah, blah.....go away, move out of quebec and stop whining already.
10:30 AM on 02/08/2012
For decades tourism was the biggest industry in Quebec province because the people knew that knowledge of the English language was better for their economy. The citizens should realize that conducting business in languages other than Quebecquois french does not diminish the french heritage that separatists cling to so dearly. The provincial bureaucrats should do everything thay can to attract business development that will keep people from leaving for other provinces. Despite having Montreal as a huge industrial anchor, the province is the largest in land mass and smallest in population perportion to it's size. The people of La Belle Provence are tres charment and proud of their culture. The need fewer selfish politicians just like their neighbors to the south.
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09:52 AM on 02/08/2012
In my FREE time...
I Ran...
to stay independent
and healthy
and to
have time to think
about my place in God's world
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09:44 AM on 02/08/2012
If you send out the people of a province
because it is easy to do
to make them leave
(a language barrier gives someone an extra incentive to stay put..lucky them).
it is easy to fill in their spots with investment money and
drive the wages up
for a time
at least.
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DidiM
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08:13 PM on 02/12/2012
Well it is for sure that - that is Not what happened in la belle province. Just like the ones forced out - the investors slowly started pulling out and now 40 years later - the last place they want to invest is in QC. Unless the gouvernement pays them to come here and gives them all kinds of tax breaks etc... and still - most either declare bankruptcy or just pull out & leave after one or two years. That's why QC is the highest taxed - poorest in the country (not will be - it is) . Note** For evey 100,000 people that have left - la belle province loses 1 BILLION a year in revenue. QC = 600,000 forced to flee = 6 BILLION a year lost revenue. No people - no money - no growth - no industry etc... Am sure you know what I mean?
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gx5000
Life's too short, be happy..
09:30 PM on 02/12/2012
The Book is Called Québec Inc. and it's a good read....
Your figures don't add up to what happened in the seventies or now.
To this day I don't buy Schweppes or Cadbury or Sun Life products either....

Cheers/Salut.
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09:43 AM on 02/08/2012
I would be curious to see how many people in each province lived there
thirty years ago.

After the brain drains
come the
takeovers.
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gx5000
Life's too short, be happy..
11:56 AM on 02/08/2012
Not many "Brains" left.....only monolingualists with issues....
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DidiM
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09:05 PM on 02/08/2012
Not so, again. I think it's about bloody time the rest of the country learn the truth about the English speaking population - that you all left high and dry to be FORCED to live without the very rights and freedoms you take for granted while spouting ignorant comments from your ivory tower chairs.
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DidiM
Human 'being'
08:14 PM on 02/12/2012
Fanned - but it doesn't work - still, sigh.