F-35: Julian Fantino Makes 'Holy' Defence Of Canada's Fighter Jet Purchase

First Posted: 02/ 9/2012 5:28 pm Updated: 02/10/2012 10:40 am

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Associate Defence Minister Julian Fantino reached heavenward for words Thursday when trying to defend his government's purchase of F-35 fighter jets during question period. (AP)

OTTAWA - Holy question period, Batman!

Associate Defence Minister Julian Fantino reached heavenward for words Thursday when trying to defend his government's purchase of F-35 fighter jets during question period.

Fantino said a recent report criticizing the purchase in the Canadian Foreign Policy Journal was "critical of everything that is holy and decent about the government's efforts" to equip the Canadian Forces.

The junior minister was immediately drowned out by less-than-angelic heckling and laughter in the House of Commons.

New Democrat MP Matthew Kellway said Fantino's remark explained the Tory commitment to the plane.

"It's on a wing and a prayer that they're moving forward on the F-35," Kellway said.

"There's no reasonable grounds, there's no evidence available to suggest that this is the right plane, which is why we're proposing that they put it out to tender, to determine what the right plane is."

The debate over the cost of the F-35 fleet continues to bedevil the Conservatives in Parliament.

The Harper government insists it will pay roughly US$75 million per aircraft when it starts buying in 2016, but critics say they don't have any faith in those numbers.

The U.S. and Britain recently signed a deal for the delivery of early-production aircraft at between US$140 million and US$145 million per plane.

Canadian officials have long insisted that the price will drop as the assembly line ramps up. Ottawa is looking at a fleet of 65 to replace the current CF-18s.

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01:55 AM on 02/13/2012
I actually think the F35 might well be the best plane going forward. What I object to is how the government has quoted a price tag that is simply unbelievable.
02:29 PM on 02/12/2012
upgraded cf-188 (f-18) would have served canada far better
the super hornet f-18 was put into service by the australian air force in 2010 so it obviously could have been used in canada
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The single-seat F/A-18E and two-seat F/A-18F Super Hornets carry over the name and design concept of the original F/A-18, but have been extensively redesigned. The Super Hornet has a new, 25% larger airframe, larger rectangular air intakes, more powerful GE F414 engines based on F/A-18's F404, and upgraded avionics suite. Like the Marine Corps' F/A-18D, the Navy's F/A-18F carries a Naval Flight Officer as a second crewman in a Weapons Systems Officer (WSO) role. The Super Hornet aircraft is in production and has equipped 22 squadrons.

The EA-18G Growler is an electronic warfare version of the two-seat F/A-18F, which entered production in 2007. The Growler will replace the Navy's EA-6B Prowler and carries a Naval Flight Officer as a second crewman in an Electronic Countermeasures Officer (ECMO) role.
Australia is the only nation other than the United States to operate the Super Hornet.
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01:35 PM on 02/12/2012
With God...F-35's are not necessary.
02:53 PM on 02/11/2012
This isn't like building a bridge. These planes are built to the specifications of countries and as such any other plane on the table, of which there are only two others, are owned by governments. In this case the United States and Russia. In order to purchase alternate options we'll have to give into certain caveats that will limit the improvements to our economy as a result of the planes chosen and open our confidential military aspects to other countries.

Not to mention, tenders for these planes were put out over a decade ago. The F-35 won.
07:14 AM on 02/13/2012
The F-35 won nothing because it is bearly flyable at the moment. It is only 20% through testing. Already, it's already mediocre performance specs are being downgraded further such that in most important ways (speed, range, payload, survivability) it is actually far inferior to our existing CF-18s.

Now, as to your main point: the benefits of propose F-35 construction to Canadian aerospace industry are wildly optimistic at best. The US is under major pressure at home to keep jobs in the USA which means keeping manufacturing of such a costly plane at home, and not in Canada. Hence our firms will likely only see minimal spin-off benefits. Meanwhile, our economy stands to be utterly crippled by the $30-$50 billion price tag on these jets that will require the slashing of government services and the contraction of gross domestic product as money flows to America in payments. Lastly, if you're concerned about keeping technology in Canada, the F-35 is also a poor choice. American stealth fighters have extensive proprietary technology we are not allowed access to in Canada - the USA always maintains control of the computer systems and we cannot service them without our help. Contrast this with the Swedish Saab Gripen which has promised Canada complete owernship of all onboard systems if we were to purchase that (far superior) plane.
01:13 PM on 02/11/2012
Here is the thing I do not get about this debate:
The government maintains that it will "only" cost $75 million per plane!
How is THAT number acceptable, let alone what it will actually be?
This is such an abhorrent waste of money it sickens me!!!
12:19 PM on 02/11/2012
For the price of equipping the Royal Harper Air Force we could buy back our resources from foreign multinationals and maybe use the resources to establish a resource based manufacturing sector spread across Canada,for the benefit of all Canadians.
06:08 PM on 02/11/2012
If the people actually governed Canada, that would probably be the case. When you have corporate salesmen running your affairs, your resources are sold off at bargain basement prices. The average stiff is thrown a bone, while the "Inner Circle" walk away with huge bonuses and ridiculous salaries. The same deal went on in the middle east until they formed OPEC and started calling the shots on oil prices for themselves. We get the "fear" talk. The world will soon run out of oil, water, air, animals, etc. While that may be true for some countries, Canada has no shortage of anything except control of these resources. China can compete with"ant farm" labor. That is fair according to international, globalized rules. Then why can't we compete based on our strengths, like energy. Now there is a can of worms to explore.
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Runey
religion is why we can't have nice things.
01:06 PM on 02/13/2012
well said
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greysells2
grey cells matter
11:28 AM on 02/11/2012
Why would the Canadian Government buy a single engined aircraft for long "Arctic Sovereignty" patrols in remote areas with no emergency landing strips??
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lulex
Made in Canada
01:16 AM on 02/11/2012
What in this current government is either holy or decent? They lie, they bully, they degrade. I'd hardly describe their conduct as Christ-like or selfless. Look at Mr. Clement's new Gazebos. Look at the cover up of Afghan prisioner torture that put our troops at increased risk. Look at the fact the Tories CUT FUNDING TO PRIESTS IN THE MILITARY. Is that holy or decent?
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Kristopher Leang
training to take down the elite
11:57 AM on 02/11/2012
agreed how is the old christian adage about caring for the poor and most vulnerable going for the cons??
Dinsdale Pirahna
"lookin' out the 'ole in the wall"
09:12 PM on 02/11/2012
Religion is only a tool for these folks, they don't really believe in it themselves.
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Mike vdB
Get involved, always question, don't just exist.
06:27 PM on 02/10/2012
Only thing holy about this fiasco is that mighty pile of Holy Cow Pucky they keep adding on to this file in order to defend it.
02:22 PM on 02/10/2012
This is nuts .... Many Nato countries are dropping this ridiculous costly (single engine) F35 and considering the upgraded "F/A-18F Super Hornet". This is the new and improved version of the older F-18 Hornet we are very effectively flying. Its has 2 engines to the F-35's one and also can be a 2 seater opposed to the single seat F-35

On 1 August 2010, the British government was considering canceling orders for the F-35 Lightning II and buying the Super Hornet . It is claimed that this would save the UK defence budget about £10 billion.
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Spanky McFarlane
ILLEGITIMUS NON CARBORUNDUM.
03:01 PM on 02/10/2012
I agree totally, & with the logistics & F18 trained tech's already in place on a proven weapons platform we stand to save even more.
( Not to mention, 65 aircraft are far to few to serve our land mass & harsh northern environment for 25+ years.)
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greysells2
grey cells matter
11:32 AM on 02/11/2012
Canada should consider this option as we have F-18's already and this would be an upgrade to an advanced model on a proven aircraft for which Canada has existing technical resources. And much, much cheaper. Is Harper's ego in the way of reconsidering the earlier committment to the F-35?
12:04 PM on 02/10/2012
Ha ha, Harper has convinced his ministers that he's God!
Dinsdale Pirahna
"lookin' out the 'ole in the wall"
11:11 AM on 02/10/2012
Here is the boondoggle in all it's glory, laid bare:

"...The Canadian government claims it will only have to pay $75 million per plane. Yet it is inconceivable that a cash-strapped U.S. Congress would tolerate a multi-billion dollar subsidy to Canada. The Pentagon has earmarked $151 million for each of its planes, while the US Government Accounting Office is projecting an actual cost of $156 million.

The delays and cost overruns have caused Senator John McCain to say that the U.S. government has "to start considering alternatives" to the F-35. If the U.S. pulls out, the F-35 program is finished; if it reduces its order, the cost per unit will skyrocket...".

http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2011/11/25/Canada-F-35-Purchase/
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BCSLAVE
Got a key?
10:19 AM on 02/10/2012
Australia cut its order from 200 to 4 planes!

What does that tell you?????????????????????????????????
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greysells2
grey cells matter
11:35 AM on 02/11/2012
It tells me that the partners are looking for the exit but do not want to be blamed by the US for the demise of the F-35. Hear the drip, drip, drip of the project falling apart?
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Kristopher Leang
training to take down the elite
11:58 AM on 02/11/2012
yes of this highly government subsidizes project. jokess
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BCSLAVE
Got a key?
12:53 PM on 02/12/2012
Its an Etsell?