Council Vote Doesn't 'Change My Promise,' Ford Says

First Posted: 02/ 9/2012 11:51 am Updated: 02/11/2012 12:36 pm

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Toronto Mayor Rob Ford is showing no signs of giving up his fight for underground transit, despite a council vote that rejected his plans to keep the Eglinton Crosstown LRT below the Scarborough streetscape. (CP)


Ontario remains committed to helping Toronto pay for upcoming transit improvements, Transportation Minister Bob Chiarelli says, but warns that city councillors still have key decisions to make before those projects can get fully underway.


Chiarelli said Thursday that the provincial government and Metrolinx, the provincial agency that will build Toronto's new transit lines, need more information about what city council wants to do with transit along Sheppard Avenue.


A dramatic vote at Toronto’s city hall Wednesday night saw councillors replace Mayor Rob Ford’s plan for buried transit lines with a revised version of Transit City, the light-rail network that was approved by council during former mayor David Miller’s tenure.


But Chiarelli said that proposal includes having an advisory panel examine the options for Sheppard Avenue, which means the plan is not yet complete.


“I want to be clear that the plan endorsed yesterday by council is still very much a work in progress,” Chiarelli said during a news conference at Queen’s Park.


“While council has in fact prioritized three LRT lines — the Scarborough LRT, the Finch West LRT, and the Eglinton Crosstown LRT — they have also deferred judgment on the Sheppard Avenue corridor.”


Chiarelli said that means whenever the panel reports back to council, their conclusions will have to be rigorously reviewed by the province.


But the transportation minister said the money the province had promised for Toronto transit isn’t going anywhere.


“The McGuinty government remains firm in its commitment to invest $8.4 billion in Toronto’s public transit,” Chiarelli said.


“I am confident that the mayor will pause to reflect on what council decided yesterday as the province and Metrolinx will, so that we will be able to move forward together to build the transit solutions Toronto needs.”


Ford not giving up on transit ‘promise’


After Wednesday’s vote Ford first dismissed the council vote as “irrelevant,” saying the prior deal he struck with the province to keep the Eglinton line underground would stand.


However, Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty said Thursday that he had made it very clear to Ford that “he was to see approval” of his transit plan with city council, when the province signed a memorandum of understanding with the mayor last year.


On Wednesday evening, Ford posted a message on Facebook, in which he reiterated his intent to push for underground transit in the east end.


“The residents of Scarborough, Toronto's fastest growing region, deserve underground rapid transit — and I promised to deliver it to them,” Ford said in the message posted just after 6 p.m.


“Today’s vote does not change my promise.”


Later that evening, Ford made a point of taking a ride on public transit.


Isaac Ransom, one of the mayor's staff members, posted photos of the mayor speaking to a man on a subway, and another of Ford standing on a TTC bus.


“It was great meeting & chatting with folks on the #TTC last night,” Ford wrote in a post on Twitter on Thursday morning.


Ford’s push for subways still resonates with many voters.


Scarborough resident Jason Lyons told CBC News that he spends three hours a day riding public transit to commute downtown — and he sides with the mayor’s vision for underground transit.


“It’s completely better to have a subway than an LRT or streetcars coming up here, it’s not worth taxpayers’ money,” Lyons said Thursday.


“I pay a lot of money towards taxes, I would like to have a subway and I think Rob Ford was right about that.”


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toofarleft4thisworld
The Right Is So Wrong
10:01 AM on 02/11/2012
breaking news! Bor Dorf can't form a consensus. who could have seen that coming? Worst Mayor Ever!
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Marie Forcier
06:47 PM on 02/10/2012
When the Mayor of the largest city in Canada calls his duly elected Council irrelevant you know we have a problem on our hands and he isn't going away any time soon. Soooo we'll have to sit back and wait for ( I'll refrain from using a derogatory name ) the next blunder. Does anyone here really think he believed that support of Council wasn't required. He's been in municipal politics long enough to know exactly what support from Council means. Also what happened to all that Private Corporate $$$$ that was going help get this show on the road. Moving from Council to his Lordship Mayor of Toronto does not mean all the rules change.

Grow up Mayor Ford, no more tantrums and settle your self down accept the outcome of the vote after all like it or not we have to accept you as Mayor.
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05:47 PM on 02/09/2012
Forget the politics and bickering from left and right - Stintz and her supporters want to take Toronto boldly into the 19th century. Why not have horses pull the good old streetcars too? Clang Clang went the trolley indeed.
06:35 PM on 02/09/2012
o.k. Rob or is it Doug?
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07:25 AM on 02/10/2012
Really weak response Dresdy. I think that you are losing your grasp.
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Maxirules
06:46 PM on 02/09/2012
No... it is called "doing best with what you have".

Even I favour a large subway network. A city like Toronto deserves a world class transit system. But alas, we have limited funding of $8 Billion. So, we can implement counselor Stintz's plan that purposes a mixture that includes LRT where possible and some subway extension. This system helps more people and various studies shows that this will be more efficient. Or we can use Mayor Rob Ford's that will leave us with a single subway line.

Now, if Mr. Ford was willing to raise taxes to generate revenue to pay for subway system, that would be a different story altogether. Sadly, he is not willing to do that. That is against his mandate. Neither is any one from the public sector willing to come forward to help Mayor Ford nor is Mr. Harper willing to provide any sort of support. So Mr. Ford has limited choices.

Given the circumstances and finances, I fully support Karen Stintz's plan. Now Mr. Ford is acting like a spoiled brat and unwilling to listen to others. This is just sad.
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09:15 AM on 02/10/2012
Well thought out response Maxi - I can't compete with it. However, do we really want the St Clair debacle all across Toronto? This will lead to Street cars and bicycle lanes everywhere, which I guess is a lot of councillors wet dream. Toronto taxes will have to rise eventually to match the rest of the Province - that and PPPs will have generate enough to pay for the subways. If Toronto is to thrive then subways are a must - think twenty or thirty years into the future - how many businesses will want to locate or stay here if there is constant grid-lock?
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BentleysPal
We'd be better off if Springers ruled the world
05:02 PM on 02/09/2012
I'm not a Toronto resident and generally speaking, I support Mayor Ford's agenda. But on this file, he has acted like a spoiled brat. He may very well have campaigned on a subway-only TTC expansion, but he is only 1 vote out of 45. Councillor Stintz has obviously done her homework and decided that a combination of subway/LRT is the way to go. In my books, that makes her a credible leader. Rob, take your thumb out of your mouth and move along.
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Skiwee
Just taking my time...
09:50 AM on 02/10/2012
A combination of underground and above is perfect in my books. Rob Ford is nothing but a bully!
04:19 PM on 02/09/2012
would the mayor say the vote was irrelevant if it had gone in his direction ------

i think not --he would be grinning from ear to ear ---
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Skiwee
Just taking my time...
09:50 AM on 02/10/2012
HE is irrelevant.....such a bully.
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Xavier Jumbo G
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12:22 PM on 02/10/2012
not to mention a bigot too.
04:01 PM on 02/09/2012
Has anyone seen the video of Rob Ford arguing with a reporter-John Barber-I believe on You Tube, I have never seen anything like it on a major political figure. UNBELIEVEABLE. Mr. Ford is not capable of governing because he uses bully tactics to try and get his way and this does not work well in a democratic system. If you do not think he is a bully this video confirms it in spades.
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CommonWealth-SinglePayer
Walk on the Right, VOTE on the LEFT
03:38 PM on 02/09/2012
Just as I called it, Bob and Doug Ford and their ilk are done.

Pie in the sky for Robbie's fat gut is all he is gettin.
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Skiwee
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09:51 AM on 02/10/2012
Rob Ford is a bully. F&F
03:22 PM on 02/09/2012
Toronto needs leadership. Too bad it takes a revolt in City Council to get it.
03:00 PM on 02/09/2012
I've been very confused by the messaging from Stintz, Ford and the media. In the end, this city will become so big that car travel will be nearly impossible, and any light rail will have too little capacity. I am not in favour of going to the cost of putting LRT underground when it will be obsolete in ten years anyway. We need to think 20 years out. Who on counsel voted for the St. Clair Av. fiasco? They should not be allowed to vote again on any transportation project
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Awake-and-Sing
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01:42 PM on 02/09/2012
I think it is great that Toronto is expanding transit period.
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gwinegarden
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01:18 PM on 02/09/2012
Irrelevant? Obviously, he is a great believer in democracy.
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Marg Wood
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12:01 AM on 02/11/2012
I wonder how people did not see this in the first place? He obviously did not give a sh__ for anyone else's opinion ! He was a bully before the election and remains a bully after the election. He's a dictator and a few other things too!