Gun Registry Bill At Final Stage In House Of Commons

Long Gun Registry

First Posted: 02/13/2012 1:04 pm Updated: 02/16/2012 4:26 pm


The final stage of debate on the bill to end the long-gun registry began Monday in the House of Commons.


Bill C-19 is at third and final reading in the Commons and is being debated by MPs for two more days before a vote will seal its fate Wednesday evening. Because of the Conservative majority, the bill is expected pass and move to the Senate.


It passed the report stage last week after the opposition tried unsuccessfully to amend it. Amendments were also proposed, and defeated, at the committee stage. Opposition parties want to maintain the registry and are particularly upset that the government intends to destroy the data in the registry.


Government House leader Peter Van Loan said last week that on Wednesday MPs will have "a momentous vote to end the wasteful and ineffective long gun registry once and for all."


As debate got underway Monday, Conservative MP Garry Breitkreuz read testimony from witnesses that appeared at the committee stage who were in favour of the bill and he defended the government's position.


"I've always said that government moves slowly but I never dreamed it would take this long to get rid of something that has been absolutely a waste of time," said Breitkreuz.


Affects non-restricted weapons


The Conservatives have been intent on scrapping the requirement for gun owners to register non-restricted firearms. They argue the registry, maintained by the RCMP, targets law-abiding gun owners instead of criminals and is a waste of money and does little to improve public safety.


Prohibited and restricted guns would still have to be registered and a licence is needed for all guns.


The government used a time allocation motion to limit further days of debate on the bill so that it could move more quickly to a final vote.


Opposition parties and critics are opposed to ending the long-gun registry because they say it helps police forces and is important for public safety.


NDP MP Francoise Boivin talked during the debate Monday about why the registry was set up in the first place and mentioned the Montreal Massacre.


"We have not forgotten any of these young women," she said after reading out names of the victims of the 1989 shooting.


Boivin said the registry did cost a lot of money, but that there is a need for it.


"We need to know who has guns, how many firearms they have, if there are constraints on whether they should have one or not. We need to know how they are being kept," she said.


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  • What does this new bill on the gun registry do?

    We keep hearing about scrapping the long-gun registry, but really what we're talking about is scrapping the requirement for people to register their rifles and shotguns - that's what Bill C-19 aims to do by making amendments to the Criminal Code and Firearms Act. Once passed, people will not have to register their non-restricted or non-prohibited firearms. It also provides for the destruction of existing records in the Canadian Firearms Registry for those firearms. <em>With files from CBC</em>

  • What exactly is the registry?

    It's a centralized database overseen by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police that links firearms with their licensed owners. It contains information about all three types of guns that must be registered - non-restricted, restricted and prohibited. (All firearms must be registered.) To register a firearm, you have to have a licence to possess it.

  • Does the bill make any changes to licensing requirements?

    No. Canadian residents need a licence in order to possess and register a firearm or ammunition and that won't change. There are a couple of different kinds of licences because of various changes to laws and regulations over the years.

  • What are long guns?

    There are three types of guns under Canadian law: non-restricted, restricted and prohibited. Most common long guns - rifles and shotguns - are non-restricted but there are a few exceptions. A sawed-off shotgun, for example, is a prohibited firearm. A handgun is an example of a restricted firearm. Different regulations apply to different classifications of firearms.

  • How many guns are we talking about?

    As of September 2011, there were about 7.8 million registered guns. Of those, 7.1 million are non-restricted firearms.

  • Why does the government want to get rid of the long-gun registry?

    The government says it is wasteful and ineffective at reducing crime and targets law-abiding gun owners instead of criminals, who don't register their firearms.

  • Who wants to keep it?

    Police and victims' groups are big supporters of the registry. Police say the database helps them evaluate a potential safety threat when they pull a vehicle over or are called to a residence. They also say it helps support police investigations because the registry can help determine if a gun was stolen, illegally imported, acquired or manufactured. This year, the RCMP says police agencies accessed it on average more than 17,000 times a day.

  • When will the registry cease to exist?

    The government has passed the legislation and the registry no longer exists. Except for in Quebec, where an ongoing court challenge means the owners must still register their guns in the province.

  • Why does the government want to destroy the records?

    The government is doing this to ensure that no future non-Conservative government can recreate the registry. Public Safety Minister Vic Toews has also made it clear that if any province wants to set up its own registry it would get no help from the federal government. The Conservatives are so fundamentally opposed to the existence of the records, because they say they focus on law-abiding citizens instead of criminals, that they don't want them available for anyone to use.

  • How much does the registry cost?

    The registry cost more than $1 billion to set up in 1995 and the cost was the source of much controversy. Public Safety Minister Vic Toews said on Oct. 25 that the government's best estimate is that it costs about $22 million a year to operate. That's the entire registry, not just the long-gun portion, but he noted most of the guns in the registry are long guns. He said he didn't know how much money scrapping the requirement to register long guns would save the government. Conservative MP Candice Hoeppner says there are also "hidden costs" that are borne by provincial and municipal police agencies to enforce the registry.

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08:55 PM on 03/19/2012
If you would like to see Bill C-19 amended or defeated in the Senate, please sign: http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/Prevent_Gun_Violence_in_Canada_Stop_Bill_C19/?cUfuxab
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08:48 PM on 02/15/2012
The worse takeover is the one
without the visible tanks and troops.
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08:47 PM on 02/15/2012
We should be wary...

who is it
we are now going to let have guns without registering them..?
everybody who has been here for the past ten years
either registered their guns or had to have them disposed of.
11:40 AM on 02/15/2012
Bubba Alberta will be happy now. We have to register our cars and I'm sure most people own more cars than guns but it was too much to ask to have Bubba register his gun which is a weapon. How about 4x4 trucks. Let's not register Bubba's truck either.
10:25 PM on 02/14/2012
Again with the propaganda..It costs too much??? the money already spent will not come back..and it costs peanuts to keep it going..BUT--and I say BUT, throwing it all out the window is where it becomes criminal...A great injustice is being committed to the Canadian public...America Jr. absolutely. The NRA will be happy on wednesday no doubt. Weapons manufacturers will bliss. Arms deals have wet ink drying...I don't know why I'm shipping my tax dollars to Ottawa anymore-may as well send it to Uncle Sam.
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colpy
01:17 AM on 02/15/2012
Thanks for the laugh!

That post was the funniest thing I have read in a long, long time.

But....here's some reality for you:
- The National Rifle Association is an American entity.
- There will be no additional gun sales, no arms deals. Long guns are legal in Canada now.
- We still have a heavy regimen of gun control: owner licensing after safety training and background checks, safe storage laws, registration of handguns, many types prohibited, magazine restrictions, etc etc etc. Hardly the good ole USA.

We in the awsome "gun lobby" have much work ahead of us.... :)
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lulex
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02:08 AM on 02/14/2012
The Tories history of non compliance! Tories are always ignoring policies of the House. Harper prorogued parliament to avoid issues related to the handing over of Afghan Detainees for Torture. Bev Ota lied regarding Kairos and Tony Clement lied about his roll in allocating G8 funding. Baird acts like a thug bullying everyone. I hardly think the Tories should be trusted to reform Canadian laws until they can abide by the law it themselves. In my view, all politicians from this point on should be held criminally responsible for actions they commit even while elected. That will serve the Canadian people far better than abolishing the gun registry.
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10:48 PM on 02/13/2012
The LGR benefited the Tories in the last election in rural areas. The Liberals and NDP were fools to push it.
07:51 PM on 02/13/2012
The long gun registry was a mistake. I will support the registering of hand-guns, but long guns are a staple of Canadian culture. We live in a beautiful country and that leads to people heading into the forests to enjoy nature... or blow it's head off.

However abolishing the long gun registry has cost us greatly, as I am convinced a great number of Canadians voted for the Conservatives purely out of self interest to get rid of the long gun registry. Their short sighted blunder means we now have to put up with a Harper majority government in which he can ram through legislation like the Omnibus crime bill, purchase F-35's with no engines, cut corporate tax rates down to 15%, and has seen military spending increase to 55% what is was prior to 2001, with legislation to ensure it continues to climb.

So yes we've gotten rid of a long gun registry. However we've also lost what made Canada a symbol of freedom around the world, and started it down it's path to becoming America Jr.
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SeanMartin
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07:04 PM on 02/13/2012
Well then, guess it's time to start hounding my MP on the questionable need for registering my car.
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Spanky McFarlane
ILLEGITIMUS NON CARBORUNDUM.
07:02 PM on 02/13/2012
What will happen when someone listens to Mr. Nicholson & fires those 'warning shots' of their ownproperty & comitt an offense of their own?

Will he then get 3 years in jail as laid out under Mandatory Minimum Sentencing requires?

"Sending a first-time offender to prison for three years for possessing a loaded gun is "cruel and unusual punishment," an Ontario judge ruled Monday in striking down the mandatory minimum sentence as unconstitutional."

*Are all Conservatives absurd or just the ones appointed & elected?
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06:21 PM on 02/13/2012
I am ready: GOOOOOOOD BYE.
05:24 PM on 02/13/2012
To punish the Conservatives for being uppity enough to sack the Gun Registry the next party in office (be it NDP or Liberal) needs to make them pay by banning guns outright.

May I suggest starting with a complete hand gun ban and seizure program conducted by the police?
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colpy
05:49 PM on 02/13/2012
Absolutely impossible.

First of all, both the Liberals and the NDP realize that it would be impossible to get elected on such a platform. Or to stay in office after taking such action.

Secondly, you assume gun owners would comply...WRONG....and you won't know where the guns are. The registry will be gone, info destroyed. The only way to get any guns would be house to house searches of any home where a licensed gunowner lives...good luck getting that by the courts!

Third....you would start a bloody war.
04:41 PM on 02/13/2012
Although I generally align with progressives on most issues, in this the Conservative government of Mr. Harper is correct. The long gun registry is expensive, does little or nothing to prevent or solve crime, and does nothing to promote police safety.

The issue of destruction of the data in the long gun registry is a mere political sideshow raised by the NDP and the Liberals to give themselves talking points. The reality is that once the requirement to register long guns is removed, the data in the long gun registry will be hopelessly obsolete by the time of the next general election in 2015.
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dread
04:34 PM on 02/13/2012
kiddub Your logic is flawed. You obviously think that the long gun registry worked. This program that cost well over 2 billion dollars at best registered no more than 50 % of the guns in Canada. The government keep giving people extensions and free registration offers but a very large majority of long guns were never registered. This would provide false and misleading information to the police which would in fact endanger their lives. The program was flawed from day one.
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03:50 PM on 02/13/2012
If you don't own long guns, will you even know its gone? Yes, the police won't be able to check prior to domestics or warrants. Oh wait, they will be able to tell if the owner has a PAL and could possess legal weapons. Still no way to determine if any home contains illegal firearms.
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04:15 PM on 02/13/2012
Even better if they think you shouldn't have a gun, they have no way to stop you or take your guns away...
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04:53 PM on 02/13/2012
So if law enforcement in Canada doesn't believe a person should own a gun (and there are many reasons why that could be), you think it's a good thing they cannot enforce it?
04:45 PM on 02/13/2012
The argument that it is truly useful for police officers to be able to check the gun registry prior to responding to a call or serving a warrant at a location is completely without merit. When the check is made, the police do not assume that the absence of a gun being registered at the location in question in fact means that no firearm is present. To the contrary, it is standard police practice to always approach the location on the assumption that some firearms may be present.
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05:01 PM on 02/13/2012
Actually, there is a great deal of merit to know the situation prior to going in. There's also a great deal of merit to the argument that the gun registry helps connect a firearm used in a crime to the registered owner.

In the first case, officers are afforded an added measure of protection - which in my opinion is a good thing. In the second case, officers are given at least one more tool in tracking down criminals and solving a crime.

Aren't we trying to help our law enforcement officials, or is this all about avoiding some imagined police state that I hear the wild-eyed anti-registration foaming at the mouth about?