Lawful Access Legislation: Online Spying Critics Siding With Child Pornographers, Vic Toews Says

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First Posted: 02/13/2012 5:25 pm Updated: 02/16/2012 2:06 pm

UPDATE - The Opposition has come out swinging against legislation that would make electronic surveillance easier for police and spies.

New Democrat MP Charlie Angus says his party will vigorously fight the bill tabled today.

The NDP says the legislation gives authorities easy access to too much personal information about Internet users.

Angus says the measures would open the process to police fishing expeditions.

Asked Monday about the coming bill, Public Safety Minister Vic Toews told a Liberal MP he could either stand with the government or with child pornographers prowling online.

Opposition MPs have denounced his comments as an insult to those who care about civil liberties.

OTTAWA - The government says anyone who opposes federal plans to make electronic surveillance easier for police and spies is siding with child pornographers.

It's the first salvo in a battle that will resume Tuesday when the government reintroduces legislation that would expand online monitoring powers.

The issue pits the desire of intelligence and law-enforcement officials to have easier access to information about Internet users against the individual's right to privacy.

Asked Monday in the House of Commons about the coming bill, Public Safety Minister Vic Toews told a Liberal MP he could either stand with the government or "with the child pornographers" prowling online.

Privacy Commissioner Jennifer Stoddart has warned against simply resurrecting a trio of previous federal bills to expand surveillance powers, citing several shortcomings.

Of particular concern to the privacy commissioner are provisions that would allow authorities access to Internet subscriber information without first getting a court's go-ahead.

Toews office has said the government will strike an appropriate balance between necessary investigative powers and the protection of privacy.

Still, opposition MPs were alarmed by his comments Monday.

"Apparently if you care about civil liberties in this country you obviously side with child pornographers, murderers," said Green Party Leader Elizabeth May.

"You're the worst form of scum if you believe the charter's an important instrument for the rule of law in this country. I'm horrified by this kind of rhetoric. It demeans us all."

New Democrat MP Peter Julian accused the government of asking people to make "absurd choices."

"They simply do not have any credibility when it comes to putting in place a justice system that actually protects Canadians."

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  • What's In Online-Snooping Bill

    Like similar legislation introduced in the past by both Conservative and Liberal governments, the new bill includes provisions that would: <em>With files from CBC</em> (Shutterstock)

  • Warantless Online Info

    Require telecommunications and internet providers to give subscriber data to police, national security agencies and the Competition Bureau without a warrant, including names, phone numbers and IP addresses. (CP)

  • Back Door Access

    Force internet providers and other makers of technology to provide a "back door" to make communications accessible to police. (Getty)

  • Location, Location, Location

    Allow police to get warrants to obtain information transmitted over the internet and data related to its transmission, including locations of individuals and transactions. (Alamy)

  • Preserve Data

    Allow courts to compel other parties to preserve electronic evidence. (Alamy)

  • New Bill Is Different

    However, unlike the most recent previous version of the bill, the new legislation: (Alamy)

  • Less Data

    Requires telecommunications providers to disclose, without a warrant, just six types of identifiers from subscriber data instead of 11. (Alamy)

  • Oversight

    Provides for an internal audit of warrantless requests that will go to a government minister and oversight review body. Minister of Public Safety Vic Toews is pictured. (CP)

  • Review After 5 Years

    Includes a provision for a review after five years. (Alamy)

  • More Time To Implement

    Allows telecommunications service providers to take 18 months instead of 12 months to buy equipment that would allow police to intercept communications. (Alamy)

  • Expanded Definitions

    Changes the definition of hate propaganda to include communication targeting sex, age and gender. (Alamy)

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UPDATE - The Opposition has come out swinging against legislation that would make electronic surveillance easier for police and spies.New Democrat MP Charlie Angus says his party will vigorously fight...
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Good to know
12:54 PM on 02/15/2012
Send your comments to the Minister: https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/abt/min-eng.aspx
09:22 PM on 02/14/2012
Vic Toews knows no lows.

The kind of sophomoric tarring-and-feathering of political opponents that the Conservatives routinely engage in — and get away with! — is an absolute disgrace. They've got no hope of trying to sell their odious policies on their own merits, and thus they've resorted to slinging out some of the basest, most desperate ad hominem attacks in the history of Canadian politics. In 2010, the Liberals put forward a motion opposing the Harper government's adoption of its own version of the Global Gag Rule imposed on foreign aid funding by Republican administrations in the US, and were branded "anti-American." When Tories can't address the actual substance of a criticism, they just sling mud at the critic instead, hoping it will stick long enough to let them "win" the argument by default. In the process, they've turned Parliament Hill into a toxic environment, and cheapened Canadian politics.
08:39 PM on 02/14/2012
Legislation like this is totally unnecessary and totally dangerous! But the government seems to want to move toward a police state. Certainly harper is a very dangerous man, as his opinions show:
http://nickfillmore.blogspot.com/2012/02/is-stephen-harper-displaying-fascist.html
08:10 PM on 02/14/2012
You have to know that this will lead to Mr. Harpers team being able to spy on anyone for any trumped up reason the one bright spot is that at least he will be able to fill all the new prisons with some of these unclean Canadains.
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BCSLAVE
Got a key?
09:47 PM on 02/14/2012
They wouldn't need a trumped up reason with this - don't need a reason at all. Answerable to no one too. Ah democracy the Chinese Communist Party way!
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Don McLeod
08:03 PM on 02/14/2012
What do you do that Harper would not do? Is there any deviation allowed from what Harper believes is normal. We know growing 7 pot plans is now deviant behavior Is using the net to get pornography deviant? Is discussing the benefits of being an atheist on line deviant? Is wondering if Harper hates safety nets because it stops Christ from finding purchase deviant? Is questioning Harper leadership deviant?
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Donnerskinde
I used to be a people person,till people ruined it
06:05 PM on 02/14/2012
Once again we see the Conservatives using inflammatory rhetoric instead of facts to pass questionable legislation bent on increasly invasive monitoring and criminalization of the Canadian people.
I am amazed still by the number of people that fall for this kind of talk. We have laws in place to convict criminals and it involves a due process. This kind of unfettered access is subject to the worst possible abuses. Please wake up people, I hope there are enough people of concience within the PC party to keep them from passing these draconian types of legislation, but I am aware that I am likely to be dissapointed. Thank you once again to everyone who had the bad taste to hand these people a majority.
05:07 PM on 02/14/2012
The tact of labeling is and has been used for a long time, it is an attempt to disable an opponent’s view or credibility by labeling them this or that. How Harper-ish!

Governments need to stop being led around by the corporations and ultra-rich and start championing for us the poor, working and middle class, after all it is us who vote them in, it is us who they should be listening too.

The poor, working poor, working and middle class have lousy lobbyists, unlike the wealthy who have the best that money can buy.

Our governments have become Corporatists (http://www.answers.com/topic/corporatism) and in Canada we have a what appears to be a Corporatocracy (http://www.answers.com/topic/corporatocracy) not a democracy. And in fact it seems once a governing party gets a majority is becomes a democratic dictatorship in that they stop listening to the people and only follow their own agenda at times to the detriment of the people. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=democratic%20dictatorship
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Whistlejackett
Hey stop doing that
05:06 PM on 02/14/2012
I am almost speechless. Take for instance the recent charges of child porn in Ontario, where 66 people are charged, but about 8000 not charged because of a lack of resources. This means to me the problem is being taken care of but is way to large to handle no matter what the resources. To use child pornography as a reason to instil fear in people is very irresponsible, and Vic Toews is just fogging people. Harper also is fogging people in the "House".

This internet issue must be stopped in it's tracks. Also child pornography and pedophilia, is an illness and needs to be addressed in other ways along with prosecution.
04:32 PM on 02/14/2012
Talk about "Déjà vu!!"

You get the Canada you deserve...

Got laugh at for saying that this government will be a totalitarian one when they got to power. Who's laughing now PAT, EH??!??

What do you expect from Stephen "Bilderberg" Harper, naive Canadians...
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Liz Wilson 2
“a small group can change the world
04:14 PM on 02/14/2012
I am a remarkably law-abiding person. With the exception of overstaying my welcome at a parking meter, there is not a whole lot that I wilfully do that I would be afraid to be held up to public scrutiny. Because of this and, because I have always trusted the Canadian government, I have no problem with the government knowing if I own a gun and I like giving the government all of my information on a mandatory census form for they can make informed decisions. However, I don't feel that my banking info and other personal information on my computer will be safe if there are no restrictions on access without cause.

I have no confidence this is going to be limited to child porn or that the information they glean will not going to be used to further hidden or corporate agendas. Maybe they can use it to track those of us who are environmentalists.. since we are, after all, considered enemies by this government.

I don't trust this government at all – too many forced decisions, too little debate, too many closed doors, muzzled bureaucrats and silenced scientists, unduly manipulated committees, and clear corporate interference and control.
05:37 PM on 02/14/2012
And now that Harper's government seems to think torture isn't so bad after all; maybe they will have fun demonstrating on any pesky Canadians who disagree with them.
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Liz Wilson 2
“a small group can change the world
07:25 AM on 02/15/2012
Absolutly! and think of the money now that we dont have to send them to Syria.
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Brent Millar
When the going gets weird, the weird turn Pro
04:05 PM on 02/14/2012
Hey Vic, to be VERRRYYY CLEAR: I oppose this legislation and I in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM support Pedophiles online, offline or anywhere.
So you know, I will not have my civil liberties whisked away by the simple utterance of a logical fallacy in order to have your agenda shoved down my throat.
So tell me Vic, what of all the porn busts previous to this legislation, How'd they turn out?
But you need this? Really?
Like all those cuts Harper keeps ranting about that are unneccessary?
Why all the scare tactics? Desperate much? But the question still remains: Why so desperate?
03:59 PM on 02/14/2012
This is not about crime or ciminals ...
This prime minister and his cabinet (not that they give him much advice, rather the reverse is truer) are out of the Chicago School (Strauss) of government. The political elite know better. Here, by political elite I simply mean the prime minister. His political record is clear on that.
The concern with leaders who know the Truth and therefore need no debate (closure closure closure) or statistics (no long form survey of what we are all about) simply impose their will on others. What comes of this punitive and control mentality is something that is out of Jeremy Bentham ... look up PANOPTICON. The era is 1791 - this brings us back to the pre-Dickensian streets of London.
This intrusive / control / no-debate / be scared of crimes mentality is the ante-chamber to the PANOPTICON. This government is not a government of citizens ... it is a government of extreme ideological right and truth using fear and vigilantism (recall the rope comment) as their logic and debate strategy.
I fear losing the promise of Canada - the Canada of Light.
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Good to know
03:27 PM on 02/14/2012
Slangster, it says that we, as a people, are losing hope. And the only thing to counter that is action. So it may seem a small thing but, today, please take 5 minutes and post a protest to Public Safety Minister Vic Toews' site.
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Liz Wilson 2
“a small group can change the world
04:16 PM on 02/14/2012
I like this plan. Lets add our personal MPs as well especially if you are represented by a Conservative. If you are represented by an opposition member send them a post to stay strong in this fight.
03:24 PM on 02/14/2012
a short while ago there was a huge kiddie porn bust in ontario --------it raises two questions

1) how did they do it without this piece of legislation

2) was that bust deliberately timed to help in the selling of this piece of legislation
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ProgressiveCDN
A Progressive Moderate
04:03 PM on 02/14/2012
no. it's called warrants. They can do all of these things now WITH a warrant! All it takes is their task-force doing some real police work and finding a website with a bunch of pedophiles in a given province then providing a court with enough evidence to approve a warrant for online surveillance........ Those kinds of busts (maybe not to the same level) happen all the time in Canada, which proves the ignorance in MP Toews' statements. This bill will do NOTHING to decrease child pornography and everything to decrease the rights of law-abiding citizens online
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Johnny LaRue
political correctness is just incorrect
03:17 PM on 02/14/2012
This is dictatorship at its finest. The whole government is out of control making up useless rules to justify their existance.Why dosn't this country just enforce the laws they have now rather then cooking up new regulations . Harper is just a poor version of Chaplins's "The Great Dictator"
Zig Hiel.
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ProgressiveCDN
A Progressive Moderate
04:04 PM on 02/14/2012
Vote Liberal