War of 1812 Saved Us From American Politics, Guns And Snooki: Poll

War Of 1812 Canada Poll

First Posted: 02/13/2012 4:00 am Updated: 02/13/2012 8:45 pm

OTTAWA - The War of 1812 may be one of the world's oddest conflicts, if only because both sides are confident they won.

A new survey suggests Canadians and Americans have vastly divergent attitudes towards the border war that broke out in 1812 and bumbled along for three years.

Americans see it as a war that produced their national anthem. Canadians see it as a war which saved them from American assimilation and preserved them from American politics, gun laws and shared citizenship with Snooki of the Jersey Shore.

During the course of the war, the Americans repeatedly tried to invade and were repeatedly repulsed, by often-outnumbered mixes of British redcoats, Canadian militia and aboriginal allies.

The Ipsos Reid poll conducted for the Historica Dominion Institute for the bicentennial of the war found that 54 per cent of Canadians felt the most significant outcome was that the invaders were turned back.

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Given a list of things which might define Canadian identity, 53 per cent of respondents picked universal health care, but winning the War of 1812 and squelching the American invasion was ranked second, with 25 per cent support.

Americans had a dramatically different take. For a third of them, the key outcome of the war was their national anthem. Francis Scott Key wrote the words to the Star Spangled Banner after watching a British naval bombardment of Baltimore's Fort McHenry in September 1814. A plurality of 36 per cent saw no significant outcome at all.

When the Canadians were asked what would be their great concern had the war gone the other way, 60 per cent said they wouldn't want to share the American political system.

"We agree that we do not want to be under the same politics and government system as they have in the States and we take pride in that," said Jeremy Diamond, director of development and programs for the Historica Institute

Another 18 per cent of the Canadian respondents said they didn't want American gun laws.

And six per cent said they didn't want to share citizenship with Snooki and her cohorts from Jersey Shore.

John Wright of Ipsos Reid said the survey results reflect the development of the two countries. The War of 1812 doesn't stand out for Americans because they see other, much bigger watersheds

"The War of Independence is their touchstone for their nationhood," he said. "Ours seems to have been a gradual one."

While some might point to 1812 as a key point on the way to nationhood, others might look at Vimy Ridge, or the patriation of the Constitution.

"We don't see the 1812 war as a stand-alone piece as an American would see the War of Independence, because our nationhood has tended to be evolutionary as opposed to revolutionary."

The American view is sharply different.

"Wars don't play the most significant roles in our country because of the transitional nature of what we did, but in the United States wars play a really big part."

Diamond said, however that Canadians seem to see the war as big event.

"This is a touchstone towards Confederation, it's an important part of the story of Canada," he said.

While they differ on the main outcomes, both Canadians and Americans agreed the war is worthy of commemoration.

More than 80 per cent of respondents on both sides of the border agreed that the war was a significant part of the history of their respective countries and about the same percentage agreed that their national governments should support commemoration of the war.

The Canadian government is spending at least $28 million on the bicentennial.

Almost 90 per cent of all respondents agreed that it is important to celebrate significant historical anniversaries.

But only 58 per cent of Americans and 49 per cent of Canadians agreed that their nation is good in promoting its history.

"There's an interest in celebrating significant historical events," said Diamond.

Wright agreed, noting that a good chunk of respondents said they would take part in some event to mark the anniversary.

"When I see that 31 per cent of the Canadian public, these are adults, say that they are going to take part in celebrations dealing with this sort of thing, and activities, that means that there are 10.5 million adults out there who will probably do something in the course of this year which actually commemorates the 1812 conflict."

The country is entering a five-year period in which major anniversaries come thick and fast. This year it's the Queen's Diamond Jubilee and the War of 1812 bicentennial. Then, 2014 marks the 100th anniversary of the start of the First World War. The year after that is the 200th anniversary of the birth of Sir John A. Macdonald. And 2017 is the 150th anniversary of Confederation.

Diamond says he sees a new kind of Canadian patriotism growing, which manifested itself during the Vancouver Olympics when wearing the Maple Leaf seemed the right thing to do.

"I think that the next set of opportunities here with these commemorations are going to give Canadians that chance again," he said.

The Harper government has gone out of its way to stress the importance of Canadian history by promoting the Jubilee and the 1812 commemoration and by re-writing the citizenship test to require wider knowledge of the country's heritage.

The government is already planning the commemorations of the next few years. If the poll is right about Canadian attitudes, then it may be on to something.

The poll was conducted Jan. 26-30. It sampled 1,015 Canadians and 1,015 Americans from the Ipsos online panel. Weighting was used to balance demographics. Unweighted this poll would have a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points, 19 times out of 20. By John Ward, The Canadian Press

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  • The War Of 1812 In 6 Slides

    Some things you might not know about the War of 1812. (Photo by Mark Wilson/Getty Images) <em>With files from The Canadian Press</em>

  • Why Did It Happen?

    The United States was angry over the British navy's high-handed practice of snatching alleged deserters off American ships to serve in the Royal Navy. An expansionist faction in the United States believed Canada was ripe for the plucking because Britain was heavily engaged in fighting Napoleon. (Photo by Mark Wilson/Getty Images)

  • When Did It Happen?

    The war ran from June 18, 1812 to January 1815. (Photo by Mark Wilson/Getty Images)

  • Where Did It Happen?

    Most of the fighting occurred on the Windsor-Detroit and Niagara frontiers, as well as in the area between Montreal and Lake Ontario. (Photo by Mark Wilson/Getty Images)

  • What Were The Major Battles?

    Queenston Heights, Oct. 13, 1812; York (now Toronto) April 27, 1813; Chateauguay, Oct. 26, 1813; Crysler's Farm, Nov. 11, 1813; Lundy's Lane, July 25-26 1814, Washington, D.C. Aug. 24, 1814; New Orleans, Jan. 8, 1815. (Photo by Mark Wilson/Getty Images)

  • Who Were The Major Figures?

    Maj.-Gen. Isaac Brock (pictured) was the British commander in the early months of the war. He was killed at the Battle of Queenston Heights repelling an American invasion force. Tecumseh assembled a coalition of natives to fight alongside the British. He was killed at Moraviantown Oct. 5 1813. Charles-Michel de Salaberry led a small force of mainly Quebec militiamen to defeat a much larger American invasion force at the battle of Chateauguay on Oct. 26 1813. (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Isaac_Brock_portrait_1,_from_The_Story_of_Isaac_Brock_(1908)-2.png" target="_hplink">Wikimedia</a>)

  • Famous Last Words

    "Push on, brave York Volunteers," last words attributed to Brock. (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Push_on,_brave_York_volunteers.jpg" target="_hplink">Wikimedia</a>)

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drachold
10:37 AM on 02/14/2012
the white house is white because whitewashing became the quickest method of restoring an appearance of order after each time that the canadians burned it down.
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Jay from Ottawa
sovereignty sale, 1.3T OBO
10:27 AM on 02/14/2012
Doesn't matter. Give Harper enough time and we won't even bother putting a border between the two.
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BabylonDon
My macro-bio is full
09:52 AM on 02/14/2012
As someone from the states living (very happily) in Canada, one of the things that really annoys me is how U.S. companies 'brand' themselves Canadian to play on Canadian nationalism. McDonald's slaps a maple leaf in their logo, Tide suggests that people from a cold climate, gamble their Canadian pride if they don't was their clothes in cold water. And every beer is reverential towards the sacred rite of hockey.

I understand why Canadians feel the need to protect their culture from that of the U.S., but Jersey Shore is just as hard to avoid here as it is down there. In no small part thanks to 'HuffPo Canada', a corporation owned by U.S. interests.
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butchcliff
The future is unwritten
07:32 AM on 02/14/2012
Saved from this? With US.. 10 times the population #'s are skewed. Canada has it's own Snookis,Palins & gun problems. Why differentiate & present an argument like this, except to divide. Is Canada's identity the fact they're not Americans? Love both countries peoples, politics aside.
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straightuptalker
What ever happened to common sense?
06:04 AM on 02/14/2012
From all the comments, it sounds as if we haven't gotten over the War of 1812. It doesn't take much to fan the flames of bitterness regarding our history. Much like the American Civil War, people just can't get over it, and still draw that invisible line in the sand, dividing the North from the South, even though we're one united nation which is a reality that people tend to overlook and still argue about. Let's not start with our Canadian friends or vice-versa. It's good we have each other, despite our cultural and political differences. But, that's what makes our two countries unique, less mundane and boring, don't ya think?
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shatner99
12:50 AM on 02/14/2012
just glad we don't have as much jesus as the US does.
11:53 PM on 02/13/2012
All i know is that the chick that warned us of the american invasion (Laura Secord) makes chocolate now. and i dont care what country you live in. If i spend $18 it better stroke me when im done
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pleblian
One smart as meɪtər futūtor
09:33 PM on 02/13/2012
Irony here is, Canada ended up with a parliamentary constitution, in 1984, that mirrored the US's...
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viennawoods
An optimistic cynic.
10:03 PM on 02/13/2012
The Constitution Act became law in 1982, actually. And there are distinct differences between a parliamentary democracy, as we have, and the republican system to the south.
10:21 PM on 02/13/2012
Canadian vindictiveness toward the U.S. is strange. We are only the nation we are today because we share a border to the U.S., the largest economy in the world. We thrive because they've thrived. Without out biggest trading partner, we would not be who we are today. The Americans are our friends.
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pleblian
One smart as meɪtər futūtor
10:24 PM on 02/13/2012
I stand corrected...

That'll teach me to do a little research before making a comment

I think I had Orwell in my head
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Charles Allen
10:14 PM on 02/13/2012
LOL no.
08:45 PM on 02/13/2012
Canadians Canadians Canadians. The war ended in a stalemate with both sides agreeing that there is no winner. England was abducting American sailors and supporting indians so Americans couldn't move west. America in retaliation tried to take Ontario. America couldn't take it. Canadians tried to take upstate NY, they lost those battles. In the end England agreed to stop supporting indians so America can move west and to stop stealing our sailors at sea. America said okay then we will stop trying to steal Ontario. Canadians burned the White House down, Americans burned Toronto down. No winner. Canadians and Americans got everything they both wanted. Canadians need to stop clinging to this war it's pathetic and history revisionism.
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pleblian
One smart as meɪtər futūtor
09:27 PM on 02/13/2012
Ha!

I agree
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viennawoods
An optimistic cynic.
09:32 PM on 02/13/2012
The Americans invaded Canada to annex it. They failed. End of story.
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viennawoods
An optimistic cynic.
10:20 PM on 02/13/2012
"I believe that in four weeks from the time a declaration of war is heard on our frontier, the whole of Upper Canada and a part of Lower Canada will be in our power."
- Representative John C. Calhoun, 1812
"The acquisition of Canada this year, as far as the neighborhood of Quebec, will be a mere matter of marching, and will give us experience for the attack of Halifax the next, and the final expulsion of England from the American continent."
Thomas Jefferson, 1812.
By the way I don't just read history texts, I write them. After doing research. Just so you know.
10:25 PM on 02/13/2012
Yes. but then there was the rest of the war. Go read a book. Canada didn't win.
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Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati
08:26 PM on 02/13/2012
"Canadians pretty well match the US. Well except may handgun deaths. But we're catching up!"

Not even close, Google some stats. You watch too much American TV like a lot of southern Canadians who are loosing their culture to the "American dream"
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Marie Forcier
07:57 PM on 02/13/2012
American politics, gun laws OK I understand that but the Snooki part is just plain ludicrous. If the Canadian Press Assoc. included her name in the poll then they should be ashamed to call themselves journalists.
07:05 PM on 02/13/2012
They lost and we dodged one, whew that was close.
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Toddynho
I needs proof read more!
06:22 PM on 02/13/2012
"While some might point to 1812 as a key point on the way to nationhood, others might look at Vimy Ridge, or the patriation of the Constitution."

How about the battle of the Plains of Abraham?

And here's an article about 1812 and not a single mention of the burning of the white house? FOR SHAME!!!!! That's something Canadians really pride themselves in.
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SDH283
GOP wants you to stay clueless; why co-operate?
06:45 PM on 02/13/2012
Plains of Abraham was not about 'nationhood' -- it was about France and England fighting over the colony.
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Toddynho
I needs proof read more!
06:46 PM on 02/13/2012
And that would have done WHAT to the nation if the French had won?
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4evercanadian
Still my guitar gently weeps
01:12 AM on 02/14/2012
Actually it was fought in 1776 because the British realized that the American Colonies were likely to succeed in the their bid for independence (in 1779). If they didn't take French Canada then they would lose their foothold in North America, and there would be no where for the British Loyalists in the America Colonies to re-settle. So the war with France was actually a long-term strategic plan.
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viennawoods
An optimistic cynic.
09:34 PM on 02/13/2012
Well, we didn't really participate directly in burning the White House. That was British regular soldiers. The Canadian militia and First Nations warriors were busy back home defending against american attack on our own soil.
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Toddynho
I needs proof read more!
09:50 PM on 02/13/2012
Shhhhhhhhhhhhh....some secrets are best kept.
05:06 PM on 02/13/2012
Of course Americans don't think the War of 1812 was important. They LOST.
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Blacksheep1
Keeping the Left honest, 7 days a week!
08:22 PM on 02/13/2012
What did we lose?
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viennawoods
An optimistic cynic.
09:34 PM on 02/13/2012
You lost in your attempt to annex Canada.
09:42 PM on 02/13/2012
The White House.
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colpy
08:59 PM on 02/13/2012
That might come as a surprise to Andrew Jackson.

It was a draw.
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viennawoods
An optimistic cynic.
09:35 PM on 02/13/2012
The British didn't set out to reconquer the United States. The United States, however, did want to annex Canada. They didn't get us.
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Charles Allen
10:17 PM on 02/13/2012
When a country invades another country and gets repelled, it isn't a draw.
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catboycolo
I'll have the coffee, not the KoolAid
03:28 PM on 02/13/2012
we practically gave you Palin (alaska), but only snooki could be born in the depths of hell ( new jersey). We are gonna go ahead and hold onto the guns, though, or methinks we would already be gone.
04:10 PM on 02/13/2012
Yes, do hold onto those precious guns of yours...........but you won't need then to defend against us Canadians.......we kind of like the fact that you are down there and we are up here.........ever may it remain that way.
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catboycolo
I'll have the coffee, not the KoolAid
04:18 PM on 02/13/2012
retake reading comprehension one.