Canada F-35 Fighter Contract: No Plan B For Delays; Drones Not An Option

First Posted: 02/15/2012 5:40 pm Updated: 02/15/2012 10:46 pm

OTTAWA - Senior defence officials concede there is currently no Plan B — or back-up proposal — to deal with delays in the F-35 jetfighter program, and insist one is not necessary because of recent upgrades to the CF-18 fleet.

But there were suggestions Wednesday the Harper government might be casting around for an alternative as Julian Fantino, the associate minister of defence, told opposition parties to "stay tuned" for a response to the Pentagon's statement that the cost of the radar-evading plane would rise.

The Conservatives have been hammered for months in the House of Commons over delays and cost overruns in the multinational project. Other allies, such as Australia, have placed orders for Super Hornets — the newer, beefed up version of the CF-18 — to hedge against F-35 delays.

It's not necessary for Canada to go down that road, said a high-level defence official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

"We have no back-up plan. We have a reserve and flexibility in the life extensions we've done structurally to our F-18s and in weapons systems," said the source, referring to the $1.8-billion modernization that's took place over the last decade.

The upgrades mean the current fighter-bombers can "easily" stay in the air to 2020 and beyond.

The Royal Canadian Air Force isn't expected to take delivery of its first F-35 from U.S. defence giant Lockheed Martin until 2016, with the bulk of the planned 65 planes arriving around 2020.

"The (CF-18) will still be effective, but you'll have slightly lower numbers as we get to maximum fatigue life on air frames," said the source in a recent background interview.

Whether the military can do with fewer F-35s has been a matter of intense debate for months. Internal air force documents, released last fall, showed planners consider 65 to be the "minimum acceptable fleet" and going below presents risks and could even jeopardize the ability to carry out a full-range of missions.

Neither Fantino, nor Defence Minister Peter MacKay, would say whether a smaller order is in offing because of increased costs.

But it's clear the Conservatives are feeling heat on the issue with caucus members expressing private dismay at how the U.S. program seems to have spiralled out of control and fallen off schedule with a spectacular stream of development glitches.

"It's very simple," said interim Liberal Leader Bob Rae, who fired repeated questions at Fantino, hoping to knock him off his speaking notes.

"We've been raising this as party for 18 months, trying to get a clear answer. We don't need the robo-call answer. We need a real answer to these questions. How many planes? At what price? And when are they going to be delivered?"

New Democrat MP Matthew Kellway was even more blunt: "Will the minister give Canadians a straight answer? Are they ordering the same number of planes? Yes or no?"

It's been suggested in political circles that unmanned aircraft might be able to make up the difference, but those in uniform dismiss the idea.

"We don't have this notion of a Plan B. Currently Canada doesn't see the need for it (because) we are committed to the F-35 program," Lt.-Gen. Andre Deschamps, head of the Royal Canadian Air Force, said in a recent interview with The Canadian Press.

"I think there's a lot of confusion around what fighters can do. The foremost job of any fighter aircraft ... is air control, which is fundamental to any sovereign action; maintaining control of your own air space.

"Right now, the only tool that's fully effective right across the spectrum of air control is a fighter — a manned fighter."

The air force has been conducting a study since last spring on what the right balance might be between manned and unmanned aircraft.

"UAVs are good at doing the dull, dirty and dangerous stuff," Deschamps said. "UAVs are optimized for that mission."

Unmanned aircraft, which Canada plans to purchase some time down the road, would be armed, but only for air-to-ground attacks and the technology allowing for air-to-air interception does not exist, said the air chief.

"They can't fulfil any of the fighter functions right now," said Deschamps.

Canada is expected to chair a meeting in Washington some time in the next few weeks among F-35 partner nations to talk about the latest developments in the program. A wider, more detailed conference is planned for Australia next month.

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11:52 PM on 02/19/2012
Canada should look to France and Dassault Aviation with their Rafale "Omni-role" fighter. India just did a five year evaluation to purchase their new fighter jets and they went with the Rafale. They tested every platform available less the F-35 and F-22.

It's twin engined and can act as aerial refueling tanker. It's affective range for Canadian Arctic missions would be DOUBLE the F-35.

The F-35 is a LEMON.
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njdanie
old retired nerd
11:30 AM on 02/19/2012
Another 1 engine fighter just like the old CF-104 'widow maker'.
06:36 PM on 02/17/2012
Plan B - Slingshots!
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Runey
religion is why we can't have nice things.
12:58 PM on 02/16/2012
Big surprise, the brass just skirts around any addressing of the actual issue.

Super Hornets. Australia made the smart move.
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Kritikos
Intelligence is not a science
10:32 AM on 02/16/2012
More MIC waste, fraud, greed and foolishness.
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Poster999
A promise made is a debt unpaid.
07:06 AM on 02/16/2012
Peter MacKay could use one of these for his fishing trips. He probably doesn't want to be away from his super-model wife for too long when heads up to North to catch a few fish for supper.
Donna Meness
www.findmaisyandshannon.com
01:34 AM on 02/16/2012
And Canada recently won a golden lemon award for the purchase of these planes from an American foreign policy magazine.

The Golden Lemon Award goes to the Conservative government of Canada for shelling out $8.5 billion to buy 65 Lockheed Martin F-35 stealth fighters. According to Defense Minister Peter MacKay, “This multi-role stealth fighter will help the Canadian forces defend the sovereignty of Canadian airspace.” Exactly whom that airspace is being defended from is not clear.The contract also includes a $6.6 billion maintenance agreement, which is a good thing because the F-35 has a number of “problems.” For instance, its engine shoots out sparks, and no one can figure out why. It is generally thought a bad idea for an engine to do that.

They are junk that no one wants, so why not pawn them off on the Canadian taxpayer?

http://www.fpif.org/blog/the_2010_are_you_serious_awards
11:27 AM on 02/16/2012
Impressive research. How the hell do you find the time for all this?
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gx5000
Life's too short, be happy..
12:00 PM on 02/16/2012
Some of us have worked in the Industry that's how....
The Super Hornets are fine and are still in process by the way....
We need to get our money back and dump it in those projects.
The F-35 (a beautiful bugger though with really astounding tech) is a boondoggle.
Donna Meness
www.findmaisyandshannon.com
07:05 PM on 02/16/2012
Been a librarian since grade school.. worked in the best Treaty & Aboriginal Rights Library & taught to have all my "ducks in a row" so to speak.

Helps that my husband has a subscription to Aviation Weekly since we were in college..

BTW: only been on the computer since 2007..grin
Donna Meness
www.findmaisyandshannon.com
01:33 AM on 02/16/2012
The hiring of Nigel Wright as Harper's new Chief of Staff, secured the contract for the F-35s.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper's designated new chief of staff was until last week a director of a major U.S. aircraft manufacturer that is partnered with defence industry giant Lockheed Martin in a bid to sell a fleet of precision attack and reconnaissance warplanes to the U.S. Air Force. Opposition MPs are raising red flags over the link between Nigel Wright, expected to take over as Prime Minister Harper's (Calgary Southwest, Alta.) chief of staff in January, and the U.S. defence bid because of the controversial $17-billion sole-source contract Prime Minister Harper's Cabinet is awarding to Lockheed Martin to supply Canada with 65 stealth fighter jets.

http://www.hilltimes.com/news/2010/10/04/pms-next-chief-of-staff-most-recently-linked-to-a-major-us-aircraft-manufacturer/24638

from:

http://pushedleft.blogspot.com/2011/01/my-new-years-top-ten-list-of.html
( Emily Dee has 4 pages @10 apeice)
Donna Meness
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Donna Meness
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01:23 AM on 02/16/2012
Want to get REALLY depressed about the Harper Regimes favorite, no bid jet? Read this comprehensive analysis, that proves unequivocally that this is not the right aircraft for Canada:

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/The-F-35s-Air-to-Air-Capability-Controversy-05089/
11:33 AM on 02/16/2012
4 year old article. I'm with you on this issue, but you have to set some limits on what evidence you present.
Donna Meness
www.findmaisyandshannon.com
07:06 PM on 02/16/2012
I disagree...to understand any issue you gotta do the research..
Donna Meness
www.findmaisyandshannon.com
01:22 AM on 02/16/2012
http://www2.parl.gc.ca/sites/pbo-dpb/documents/F-35_Cost_Estimate_EN.pdf :
It is 65 pages long. It is a fairly easy read, with very few statistical terminology. Most of the information explains the history of the JSF, how contracts are distributed to countries, how and what was used to obtain the numbers.

The explanations and the language used are again fairly easy to understand for anybody and makes a great deal of sense. It clearly states some of the limitations of their estimates. Overall, it was very instructive and I highly recommend the read to anybody who has a couple of hours to sit down and read.
Donna Meness
www.findmaisyandshannon.com
01:22 AM on 02/16/2012
http://pushedleft.blogspot.com/2011/04/us-budget-watchdog-says-that-not-only.html

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Then there’s the whopping $29 billion cost of buying shiny new F-35 fighter jets from U.S. defence contractor Lockheed Martin Corp., as estimated by parliamentary budget officer Kevin Page. The plane is unsuited to many of the tasks required in Canada, and is a form of corporate welfare – this time to a foreign firm – since that aircraft program wouldn’t be possible unless many nations besides the U.S. placed orders. hat’s $45 billion in total dubious spending, eclipsing the $40-billion deficit the Finance Minister Jim Flaherty yesterday projected in his budget for the next fiscal year.

A $45 billion corporate budget with a mere $3 billion for the rest of us.

http://pushedleft.blogspot.com/2011/03/if-conservatives-didnt-want-election.html

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http://pushedleft.blogspot.com/2011/02/those-f-35s-and-why-taxpayers-must.html
Donna Meness
www.findmaisyandshannon.com
12:55 AM on 02/16/2012
Pentagon officials revoked the Fort Worth plant’s certification to use the EVMS management tool in October, nearly three years after the site was found by DCMA to be deficient in 19 of 32 EVMS guidelines and after the company failed to make adequate progress fixing these problem areas.

Several aerospace industry executives from four different companies say that Lockheed lacked a proper EVMS “culture,” and they were not surprised by the decertification. They declined to talk on the record owing to the sensitivity of the subject.

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story.jsp?id=news/awst/2011/01/10/AW_01_10_2011_p51-279440.xml&channel=defense
Donna Meness
www.findmaisyandshannon.com
12:54 AM on 02/16/2012
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To oversee projects, the Pentagon uses the Earned Value Management System (EVMS), a detailed analytical tool that enables in-depth insight into a program’s progress on cost and schedule.

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story.jsp?id=news/awst/2011/01/10/AW_01_10_2011_p51-279440.xml&channel=defense
Donna Meness
www.findmaisyandshannon.com
12:54 AM on 02/16/2012
RE : . ... fighter "commonality" facilitate(s)
The F-35 will take that a step further, according to Richard Aboulafia from Teal Group, a consultancy.

. Given this, the F-35 can almost be regarded as an industrial policy."

eurasiacritic.co.uk/articles/worried-about-price-gas-end-us-wars

In the 1970, the following US aircraft were designed, developed and went into service: F-14, F-15, F-16, F18; A-10, B-1..

In the 1980, we saw the F-117 (a rather niche airplane), the work on the B-2 started, and at the end of the decade, work started on the F-22.
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In the 1990, work on the F-22 continued, and the F-18 went Super Hornet (it is a larger plane, so everything except the basic layout had to be redone)

In the last decade, work on the F-22 concluded and the plane went into service, and work on the F-35 started.

Report of F-35 Data Theft Spotlights Flaws

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story.jsp?id=news/THEFT042109.xml&headline=Report%20of%20F-35%20Data%20Theft%20Spotlights%20Flaws&channel=defense

HACKING VICTIM: Spies are said to have stolen data on the F-35 Lightning II fighter.

Read more: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124027491029837401.html#ixzz1ChDZx5kw