Lawful Access: Online Surveillance Bill Will Protect Public Better Than Gun Registry, Says Tony Clement

Lawful Access Canada Online Surveillance

First Posted: 02/17/2012 12:27 pm Updated: 02/17/2012 3:49 pm

TORONTO - A Conservative cabinet minister swept aside accusations Friday that the government values long-gun owners over web users.

Critics have blasted Ottawa over a new online surveillance bill they argue would compromise Internet users' privacy.

Many pointed out the Tories scrapped the gun registry in part because of concerns that it violated the privacy rights of lawful gun owners.

But Tony Clement defended the government's record on privacy Friday, saying in both cases, officials aimed to "protect society better."

At a social media talk in Toronto, the Treasury Board president said the gun registry did nothing to boost public safety, while the online surveillance bill could help prevent serious offences.

"It's important to make sure police investigators — if there's someone who is in the midst of planning a terrorist act or someone in the midst of planning some kind of child abuse — we do want to give them the tools to find those people," he said.

"When it comes to the Internet, there's always a balancing of rights and obligations, but no one has 100 per cent rights and no one should have 100 per cent obligations."

The Conservatives tabled the Internet bill this week and quickly sent it to committee after it sparked massive backlash from the public and privacy advocates.

The move comes as the majority government won approval to scrap the controversial gun registry and destroy gun ownership records, something Prime Minister Stephen Harper had repeatedly promised to do since taking office in 2006.

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  • What's In Online-Snooping Bill

    Like similar legislation introduced in the past by both Conservative and Liberal governments, the new bill includes provisions that would: <em>With files from CBC</em> (Shutterstock)

  • Warantless Online Info

    Require telecommunications and internet providers to give subscriber data to police, national security agencies and the Competition Bureau without a warrant, including names, phone numbers and IP addresses. (CP)

  • Back Door Access

    Force internet providers and other makers of technology to provide a "back door" to make communications accessible to police. (Getty)

  • Location, Location, Location

    Allow police to get warrants to obtain information transmitted over the internet and data related to its transmission, including locations of individuals and transactions. (Alamy)

  • Preserve Data

    Allow courts to compel other parties to preserve electronic evidence. (Alamy)

  • New Bill Is Different

    However, unlike the most recent previous version of the bill, the new legislation: (Alamy)

  • Less Data

    Requires telecommunications providers to disclose, without a warrant, just six types of identifiers from subscriber data instead of 11. (Alamy)

  • Oversight

    Provides for an internal audit of warrantless requests that will go to a government minister and oversight review body. Minister of Public Safety Vic Toews is pictured. (CP)

  • Review After 5 Years

    Includes a provision for a review after five years. (Alamy)

  • More Time To Implement

    Allows telecommunications service providers to take 18 months instead of 12 months to buy equipment that would allow police to intercept communications. (Alamy)

  • Expanded Definitions

    Changes the definition of hate propaganda to include communication targeting sex, age and gender. (Alamy)

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  • What does this new bill on the gun registry do?

    We keep hearing about scrapping the long-gun registry, but really what we're talking about is scrapping the requirement for people to register their rifles and shotguns - that's what Bill C-19 aims to do by making amendments to the Criminal Code and Firearms Act. Once passed, people will not have to register their non-restricted or non-prohibited firearms. It also provides for the destruction of existing records in the Canadian Firearms Registry for those firearms. <em>With files from CBC</em>

  • What exactly is the registry?

    It's a centralized database overseen by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police that links firearms with their licensed owners. It contains information about all three types of guns that must be registered - non-restricted, restricted and prohibited. (All firearms must be registered.) To register a firearm, you have to have a licence to possess it.

  • Does the bill make any changes to licensing requirements?

    No. Canadian residents need a licence in order to possess and register a firearm or ammunition and that won't change. There are a couple of different kinds of licences because of various changes to laws and regulations over the years.

  • What are long guns?

    There are three types of guns under Canadian law: non-restricted, restricted and prohibited. Most common long guns - rifles and shotguns - are non-restricted but there are a few exceptions. A sawed-off shotgun, for example, is a prohibited firearm. A handgun is an example of a restricted firearm. Different regulations apply to different classifications of firearms.

  • How many guns are we talking about?

    As of September 2011, there were about 7.8 million registered guns. Of those, 7.1 million are non-restricted firearms.

  • Why does the government want to get rid of the long-gun registry?

    The government says it is wasteful and ineffective at reducing crime and targets law-abiding gun owners instead of criminals, who don't register their firearms.

  • Who wants to keep it?

    Police and victims' groups are big supporters of the registry. Police say the database helps them evaluate a potential safety threat when they pull a vehicle over or are called to a residence. They also say it helps support police investigations because the registry can help determine if a gun was stolen, illegally imported, acquired or manufactured. This year, the RCMP says police agencies accessed it on average more than 17,000 times a day.

  • When will the registry cease to exist?

    The government has passed the legislation and the registry no longer exists. Except for in Quebec, where an ongoing court challenge means the owners must still register their guns in the province.

  • Why does the government want to destroy the records?

    The government is doing this to ensure that no future non-Conservative government can recreate the registry. Public Safety Minister Vic Toews has also made it clear that if any province wants to set up its own registry it would get no help from the federal government. The Conservatives are so fundamentally opposed to the existence of the records, because they say they focus on law-abiding citizens instead of criminals, that they don't want them available for anyone to use.

  • How much does the registry cost?

    The registry cost more than $1 billion to set up in 1995 and the cost was the source of much controversy. Public Safety Minister Vic Toews said on Oct. 25 that the government's best estimate is that it costs about $22 million a year to operate. That's the entire registry, not just the long-gun portion, but he noted most of the guns in the registry are long guns. He said he didn't know how much money scrapping the requirement to register long guns would save the government. Conservative MP Candice Hoeppner says there are also "hidden costs" that are borne by provincial and municipal police agencies to enforce the registry.

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russell merifield
01:04 PM on 02/21/2012
I don't really care who reads my e-mails. But I read the comments on the gun registry. Gun lovers aren't interested in twin Perleys at 1000s of pounds and only useful against skeet or perhaps partridge.

No the comments ask the right to defend the family and property from attack. From whom? It is macho imaginary. Most of these dreamers probably don't own guns, but the buzz
Elmwoodmac
No matter where you go, there you are!
10:49 PM on 02/20/2012
The hypocrisy of this government is truly unbelievable. Do away with the long gun registry because it infringes upon law abiding citizens yet introduce a bill giving powers to the police and government to infringe upon those same citizens by tracking and following their every move. This is so frightening it is beyond words.

Canadians from every political spectrum should be up in arms over this. A police state, is that really what you want? If Canadians do not rally but rather just sit on their hands and let the government roll over us on this I think I will just give up and move to a country that has respect for rights and democracy.
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05:16 PM on 02/20/2012
The truth is coming out and we see who is in office to serve themselves or their citizens. Men of honor need to be in office to serve the public and not themselves.

They are shooting themselves in the foot and the public now sees it.
09:17 AM on 02/19/2012
So we scrap the gun registry, fair enough they made no secret of that, and replace it with an above the law monitoring your internet habits?

That is a very poor trade. We are ALL criminals now.
08:36 AM on 02/19/2012
Does Mr Clement know that this bill allows Mr Toews to appoint ANYONE he sees fit to monitor you information. This is not only for police officers. In section 33 it allows the minister the ability to allow anyone he wants to go ina nd get your info. Your next door neighbour? If Mr Toews so wills it. You boss, probably if he pays (=donates) Mr Toews enough.
If Mr Clement is trying to hardball this bill through also without knowing what is in the bill then I say he also owes us a resignation.
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Scoville Scale
Canadian Contrarian
02:45 PM on 02/18/2012
This man doesn't have a shred of credibility.
Why would anyone care - or want to hear - anything he might say?
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Tyler Austin
Women = people. Corperations ≠ people.
02:43 PM on 02/18/2012
You know who else would've loved the onlien snooping act? Hit... erm... Big Brother!
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wisdom4you
wisdom is/ = alter ego perspectives :-)
11:20 AM on 02/18/2012
Need I point out that only cops kill themselves, other cops, and an occasional wife, and once in a while an occasional criminal with their legally owned guns.

I do not recall any criminal registring any guns as any time. Therefore I agree that registring guns is a total waste of money.
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vyskol
12:04 PM on 02/18/2012
Canadian homicide data from 2003 to 2006 indicate that where registration status was known, 7 in 10 firearms used to commit homicide were reported by police to be unregistered. (http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2008002/article/10518-eng.htm)

So I will grant you that the majority of firearms involved in homicide are unregistered, but 30% is still a far cry from none.
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wisdom4you
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12:37 PM on 02/18/2012
vyskol ?????? I think that you have missed my point and the facts.

Point being, registered or not, all of the guns utilized by criminals with criminal intent, had been aquired illegally.

Consider, guns used by registred users who have killed are usually crimes of passion, anger, etc., hence, no initial intent to use the weapon for criminal purpose.

However, criminals acquire weapons specifically with PRIOR criminal intent, TO specifically carry out a crime .. hence the acquiring of a weapon in itself is a crime.

Premeditation being the correct applacable word here.
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Tyler Austin
Women = people. Corperations ≠ people.
02:48 PM on 02/18/2012
Need I point out that not all people who use guns to commit violent acts are professinal criminals with unregisterable stolen weapons, modified shot guns or smuggled pistols.
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wisdom4you
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03:15 PM on 02/18/2012
Tyler ???? criminals are 'professional'???? since when? Apparently you do not know any criminals ... duly noting, they most certainly are not in prisons due to their being intelligent, and or professional for that matter. duh
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typeterson
11:13 AM on 02/18/2012
the gun registry was a monumental waste of time and money to begin with. criminals who are committing gun crime with smuggled guns (93% of guns used for criminal activity are smuggled), and their guns simply do not get registered, which was the point of the registry, and precisely the reason it was a waste from the get go. so to with internet snooping, it will surely prove to be a huge waste of resources and money, not to mention an infringement on our right to privacy. the tories should not make the same mistake with internet snooping that the liberals did with the gun registry. if the tories are so much smarter than everyone else, like they think they are, they would recognize this. unless of course there are people or companies that are friends of the tories who stand to profit from such regulation, than the conversation shifts entirely.
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11:12 AM on 02/18/2012
And exactly why should we believe Mr. Clement about anything given his past record of explaining riding pork spending as "border security". This government more so than most others in Canada is obsessed with looking for libruls under the bed and labelling all their critics as extremists. Requiring court issued warrants prior to snooping based on probable cause rather than mere dislike - at least provides some independent 3rd party oversight against very likely abuse.
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Kenneth T Tellis
10:42 AM on 02/18/2012
If Tony Clement was a used-car salesman I for one would not buy a car from him. Now that he is a federal minister I would not listen to the idle prattle he evokes. Tony please shut your mouth, because you are going mo where with it. When a person is stupid they are the only ones that know it, and they should keep their mouths shut, because if they speak the whole world becomes aware of the stupidity.
10:40 AM on 02/18/2012
This is out right Nazism bullshit. Harper and his henchmen have got to go. The next election can't come fast enough. The legal procedure to collect evidence and then obtain a warrant is in place now and it works just fine. The only reason Adolf Harper wants these new laws is so he can obtain any and all information on opposition and ALL NONE Adolf Harper supporters. It's a out right violation of our rights and freedoms. And then he will sell us out to large corporations like Google already has done by bombarding our pages with ads related to our emails and posts. It's not a coincidence that when you type anything in the subject line or post anything all of a sudden your page is covered in ads relating to what you typed. Get out and vote this Nazi out of office and send him back to his tarsands in Alberta. If there's anything left to send him back to after they finish raping Alberta and BC with their pipelines and oil extraction.
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10:04 AM on 02/18/2012
Wow Canada if you let your goverment get away with any of this you are going to be living in fear the rest of your lives. I mean omg what the hell I don't know how many times by accident I've hit things on the net that I sure as hell wouldn't want anyone to know. Not sites with crimanel stuff but the westminister church site a church I tottaly disagree with but others seeing that may get the wrong idea I suppourt it. Or the Obama website shudder.
09:50 AM on 02/18/2012
The gov't sits behind its bullet proof glass windows, surrounded by cops, and boy they feel much safer. But who will protect the citizens from this government??? The government protects itself, the police are there to do the governments bidding, but is anyone left sticking up for the citizen???
We need protection from the government, as they simply a self serving group these days!
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09:03 AM on 02/18/2012
The internet is being taken over by governments. Soon corporations will get control of what the government doesn't regulate and we will be flooded with advertising (corporate and political) and user fees at a much more limited access to the free flow of information. Pay more get less - sound familiar.

George Orwell was right.
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10:06 AM on 02/18/2012
Gee just look at AOL we get thrown in our faces support Obama as if I would support that snake oil dealer. All the ads in banners on top of screens please its already here but I guess your blind to it.
10:47 AM on 02/18/2012
Gee, could you post a bit more about Obama for us ?

We would like to know how you really feel about him.

Really.