Long Gun Registry: PQ Requests Meeting With PM On Quebec, Harper Says 'Non, Merci'

First Posted: 02/17/2012 6:57 pm Updated: 02/18/2012 2:45 pm

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Parti Quebecois Leader Pauline Marois sent a letter Friday to Prime Minister Stephen Harper asking to meet him about the federal gun registry and received a no in response. (AFP/Getty Images/Alamy)

MONTREAL - It never hurts to ask.

Parti Quebecois Leader Pauline Marois sent a letter Friday to Prime Minister Stephen Harper asking to meet him about the federal gun registry.

If the provincial opposition leader was holding her breath waiting for a reply, she needn't have waited very long. The response from the Prime Minister's Office was an immediate and unequivocal refusal.

In a letter dated Friday, Marois noted that the registry was set up in the wake of the Ecole polytechnique massacre of 14 women in 1989 and says it has since proven useful to police.

Marois also said that since Ottawa has voted to abolish the registry, Quebec would like to set up its own system and use the information gathered by the federal government — even though the feds have steadfastly refused such a request.

The letter does carry a whiff of internal Quebec politics.

The PQ frequently makes demands of the federal government even when — and perhaps especially when — there's a high likelihood of refusal from Ottawa.

Such cases offer the separatists a potential win-win scenario. In the event of any concession, they stand to gain credit. And, if they're refused, there's always potential for a nationalist backlash.

In her letter, Marois acknowledges that Harper has already declined to meet with Premier Jean Charest over the issue. But she says she's hoping Harper might still agree to meet with her.

''As leader of the official Opposition, I'm prepared to go to Ottawa to meet you on this issue or to receive you in Montreal or Quebec,'' Marois said.

''I sincerely hope that you agree to this meeting which would demonstrate your respect for the Quebecois nation.''

Harper used a House of Commons motion to declare the Quebecois a nation in 2006. Since then, sovereigntist politicians have cited that distinction multiple times when asking for special treatment from the federal government, such as on the issue of the number of Commons seats allocated per province.

On the gun registry and on other issues, Marois has sought to cast the federal government as out of touch with Quebec values and has actively promoted disagreements with Ottawa in an effort to isolate and embarrass Charest.

In this case, the response from the feds was swift.

''Mrs. Marois wants to create fights and we're not getting involved in her game,'' said a statement from Harper's office.

''The provinces are free in their jurisdiction to act (in creating a registry) if they want to. However, we wouldn't encourage them to create an expensive registry that unnecessarily targets hunters and farmers. For our part, it's promise made and promise kept toward Quebecers from rural regions.''

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  • What does this new bill on the gun registry do?

    We keep hearing about scrapping the long-gun registry, but really what we're talking about is scrapping the requirement for people to register their rifles and shotguns - that's what Bill C-19 aims to do by making amendments to the Criminal Code and Firearms Act. Once passed, people will not have to register their non-restricted or non-prohibited firearms. It also provides for the destruction of existing records in the Canadian Firearms Registry for those firearms. <em>With files from CBC</em>

  • What exactly is the registry?

    It's a centralized database overseen by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police that links firearms with their licensed owners. It contains information about all three types of guns that must be registered - non-restricted, restricted and prohibited. (All firearms must be registered.) To register a firearm, you have to have a licence to possess it.

  • Does the bill make any changes to licensing requirements?

    No. Canadian residents need a licence in order to possess and register a firearm or ammunition and that won't change. There are a couple of different kinds of licences because of various changes to laws and regulations over the years.

  • What are long guns?

    There are three types of guns under Canadian law: non-restricted, restricted and prohibited. Most common long guns - rifles and shotguns - are non-restricted but there are a few exceptions. A sawed-off shotgun, for example, is a prohibited firearm. A handgun is an example of a restricted firearm. Different regulations apply to different classifications of firearms.

  • How many guns are we talking about?

    As of September 2011, there were about 7.8 million registered guns. Of those, 7.1 million are non-restricted firearms.

  • Why does the government want to get rid of the long-gun registry?

    The government says it is wasteful and ineffective at reducing crime and targets law-abiding gun owners instead of criminals, who don't register their firearms.

  • Who wants to keep it?

    Police and victims' groups are big supporters of the registry. Police say the database helps them evaluate a potential safety threat when they pull a vehicle over or are called to a residence. They also say it helps support police investigations because the registry can help determine if a gun was stolen, illegally imported, acquired or manufactured. This year, the RCMP says police agencies accessed it on average more than 17,000 times a day.

  • When will the registry cease to exist?

    The government has passed the legislation and the registry no longer exists. Except for in Quebec, where an ongoing court challenge means the owners must still register their guns in the province.

  • Why does the government want to destroy the records?

    The government is doing this to ensure that no future non-Conservative government can recreate the registry. Public Safety Minister Vic Toews has also made it clear that if any province wants to set up its own registry it would get no help from the federal government. The Conservatives are so fundamentally opposed to the existence of the records, because they say they focus on law-abiding citizens instead of criminals, that they don't want them available for anyone to use.

  • How much does the registry cost?

    The registry cost more than $1 billion to set up in 1995 and the cost was the source of much controversy. Public Safety Minister Vic Toews said on Oct. 25 that the government's best estimate is that it costs about $22 million a year to operate. That's the entire registry, not just the long-gun portion, but he noted most of the guns in the registry are long guns. He said he didn't know how much money scrapping the requirement to register long guns would save the government. Conservative MP Candice Hoeppner says there are also "hidden costs" that are borne by provincial and municipal police agencies to enforce the registry.

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07:15 PM on 02/24/2012
I don't know alot about this long gun registry as I am not a gun owner myself . I do agree with the government staying out of peoples business and so am in agreement with not forcing law abiding citizens with registering non restrictive firearms . What I don't understand is why the present government could not of simply made it optional . If they had made it optional the funds collected could go to those families recovering from gun violence . The present abolish it completely and destroy the records seem to be arrogant , throwing away tax dollars that were spent creating it ,and unsympathetic to those who have lost loved ones due to gun violence .
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Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati
08:45 PM on 02/18/2012
Seven per cent of all patients admitted to acute care hospitals in Canada (or about 158,000 Canadians a year) will suffer a medical misadventure.

About 150 patients die a year as a result of adverse medical events. [data from 2009]

http://www.conferenceboard.ca/hcp/details/health/mortality-medical-misadventure.aspx#context

Police reported 610 homicides in Canada during 2009, according to Statistics Canada.

Of those, 179 were committed by firearms.

There are about 7.8 million registered firearms in Canada. [Realistically there are probably twice that number at least.]

According to Transport Canada, in 2009 there were 21.8 million registered motor vehicles. That year there were approximately 2000 vehicle related fatalities.

You're at least 10 times more likely to be killed by a vehicle than by medical 'misadventure' or a firearm.

Should we ban vehicles, or medical procedures, or firearms? Of course not.
08:29 PM on 02/18/2012
I'm a Quebecer and I don't want that LGR registry, how can we get our voice heard?
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colpy
05:49 AM on 02/19/2012
Your voice has already been heard.
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tooldude
05:52 PM on 02/18/2012
I cannot imagine any situation where the government of Quebec has any need to know what I have for guns in my home in Alberta.
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Spanky McFarlane
ILLEGITIMUS NON CARBORUNDUM.
06:36 PM on 02/18/2012
They are not asking for that.
What they are asking is that the portion of the Registry that pretains to them & paid for in part with their tax dollars not be destroyed Indeed had Harper led a different style of Government perhaps Long Gun regs may even have been delegated to a Municipal level where the rift between urban & rural divide could be better addressed.
I appreciate what guns are, their purpose & what they can do in the wrong hands. I feel this whole enterprise was politicised by Mr. Harper & some public safety compromised as a result.
I really don't feel comfortable seeing a 30.06 high powered rifle that can take down a i/4 inch thick steel plate 12" x12" from 600+ meters being sold at a garage sale with a wink & a nod. Harper's rules while not 'allowing this' do nothing to prevent it & there in lay the problem.
They say the LGR was social engeenering, to which I say, yes- & what will selling guns at flea markets do to a Society in 5, 10, or 15 years as they accumulate & there price drops on each turn over & each closet fills up in suburban areas?

This could of been handled far better, IMO
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colpy
05:52 AM on 02/19/2012
The data in the registry was collected bythe federal gov't for a federal gun registry. The people of Canada secided that the registry was a mistake, and they elected a government to destroy it. That government is fulfilling its mandate and destroying the registry as promised.

What part of the democratic process do you not understand??
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Spanky McFarlane
ILLEGITIMUS NON CARBORUNDUM.
10:27 AM on 02/19/2012
Gee,I don't know?- maybe the part where the Government fails to enforce or update or MAINTAIN a law of the land for five years & then sights the data base it failed to maintain as 'being out of date' & therefore dangerous as an excuse to kill it?
Quite the process.
Not since Diefenbaker chopped up the Avro Arrow & passed it through a 12" diameter hoop have I seen such a waste of public funds by a Conservative Government, it's little wonder he is Mr.Harper's idol.
To bad he wasn't around to day, perhaps he could be charged with 'Destruction of Crown Assets' or maybe even high treason? Oh well there's still four years to see Harper in Leg Irons.
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04:28 PM on 02/18/2012
Wasn't it Harpo that said that he would "meet with his enemies without preconditi­ons"!

Oh, sorry, it was the guy south of the border that said that.

But, both have one thing in common -- they have incredible "weak knees"!

Harpo staffs his cabinet with the tier 1 attack dogs of Baird, Toews, Oliver and the tier 2 back-ups of Kenny, Nicholson and MacKay.

When the Tier 1 crew are out-of-Dod­ge then Tier 2 activates.

The PMO always gets the PM out-of-Dodge ahead of bad press arising and when in Dodge, Tier 1 are arrayed around him.

Come to think of it, Baird and Toews read from a teleprompter, a few months back, that "Don't be a Bully" themed public service message. Never have two guys fit the psychological "BULLY" profile better than these two.

So, let Harpo put the cowboy hat and denims on and meet with these people.

The clock now starts to tic towards the upcoming day when police and victims are killed by long guns because the police computer systems couldn't provide them immediate long gun relevant information in advance.

The Corporate Media hushed up the recent shootings of two police personnel in Alberta who were executing a search warrant for a single restricted weapon. But inside the house "several weapons were seized from the property". Had the police known that SEVERAL weapons were in the house, from registration data, then they would have approached that house differently.
03:35 PM on 02/18/2012
Because its another waste of money ...period ...Quebec is already 265 billion in debt for god sake ...

Give it a break ..Typical Quebec politics ...I go there often ...Blah Blah ... language and culture .. over and over and over
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John Devlin
02:18 PM on 02/18/2012
I find extremely puzzling both the government's absolute refusal to aid in the creation of a Quebec registry AND Quebec's apparent desire for such a registry.

It's possible to shoot someone with a registered gun, is it not?
I've never been quite clear on what the long gun registry was supposed to achieve.

Most speeches I've heard in its favour are along the lines of "gun violence is a serious problem, particularly gun violence involving women and vulnerable social groups..."

I don't disagree with those observations.
But what's a registration requirement supposed to do about it?
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Another Pesky Canadian
Talk - action = 0
12:38 PM on 02/18/2012
Harper: 10 gallon hat, 5 gallon head, 1/2 pint conscience.
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typeterson
11:24 AM on 02/18/2012
i don't like harper, at all, but i agree with him on this one. the registry was an epic fail from the get go.
11:44 AM on 02/18/2012
When police across the country are opposed to something they feel helps them do their job of protecting the public, Harper is most definitely wrong on this one even though I question the costs of it.

How does it legitimately inconvenience gun owners to be part of this registry? Can they not get their guns fast enough? Are they afraid the government is gonna come after them? Also, they say they want to protect law-abiding citizens, but some citizens are only law-abiding because others are watching.
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turkeylurky
Just keepin it real........
12:03 PM on 02/18/2012
How does it help the Police to do their job???
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colpy
01:39 PM on 02/18/2012
Perhaps you would like to live in a state were the opinion of the police is given more weight than the opinion of the people, as expressed in the last election, and the vote Wednesday night?

Such places are called Police States....I wish you every happiness there....but I resent your implication that Canada should be one.

The registration system only helps in one way: when the gov't sets out to confiscate arms. Yes, we KNOW the gov't is going to come get them, they already have ......repeatedly. Short-barreled semi-autos, short-barreled pistols, pistols of .25 and .32 calibers, .22 plinking guns that look like AKs, hundreds of thousands of guns seized, or slated for seizure from the estates of their owners....already done, and continuing as we speak.

It is not paranoia when they really are out to get you.
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vyskol
11:23 AM on 02/18/2012
Harper avoiding debate and discussion?? I'm shocked.
11:39 AM on 02/18/2012
Generally I'd agree; he should have met with Charest. But I wouldn't have met with Pauline Marois either. Meeting with her would have given her and her party legitimacy and strength at a time when they are losing popularity.
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colpy
01:32 PM on 02/18/2012
Why would he meet the leader of the provincial opposition after he refused the meeting with the Premier???

Why would he meet with either on a matter that was part of his election platform, and is solely in the federal area of responsiblity?

The people have spoken, and the LGR goes....no need to yak on.
11:10 AM on 02/18/2012
Could you imagine a world in which a Prime Minister was accountable to the people he was elected to represent? To not even discuss this complete reversal of policy that was enacted for people safety is a disgrace. This is American politics, not Canadian. At least the government will be able to spy on people that complain about it once C-30 is enacted.
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turkeylurky
Just keepin it real........
12:05 PM on 02/18/2012
Yes. Harper ran the Federal election on promising to eliminate the Gun Registry.
He and the Conservatives won and now he's keeping his election promise.
Weird, eh?
01:41 PM on 02/18/2012
This is about being accountable to all canadians not just the uninformed that voted for him. This is the town where the idea of the gun registry was born because of a massacre that happened. He can at least have the strength of his convictions to be a leader and address these people as to why he is throwing away a decades worth of work and money at the drop of a hat. He is not just the reformists PM he is their PM too. He is a Coward.
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colpy
01:29 PM on 02/18/2012
The destruction of the long gun registry was a clear part of the Conservative platform. Not only were they elected on that basis, the opposition had a rough time and had to employ the whip to prevent their MPs from voting with the gov't. In that, the NDP failed in two cases.

It is called democracy.

C-30 is going to be radically amended, I agree that it is a travesty.

Funny though, the inspection section of c-30 reflects perfectly the inspection sections of the Firearms Act.....except the Firearms Act refers to private homes instead of businesses, and requires the person under "inspection" of their premises to answer all questions....on pain of two years imprisonment.

But I guess in your mind, that is OK......it is only gun owners.
01:50 PM on 02/18/2012
I own a rifle I use for hunting and I have had to register it. I paid a hundred dollars to register which I believe is fair. We pay $50 a year to register our vehicles so that they can be put into a database for information about the car for police to track if there is an accident or theft, so why not guns? the rest of society should not have to bear the burden of me wanting a rifle that is meant to kill things. they also demand education on firearms which is essential also.

The country had a nation wide gathering of all the nations police chiefs and they unanimously voted to keep the registry because it allowed officers the information about what they were getting into when answering calls on domestic abuse etc. In western Canada I can think of 2 instances were rifles were used to kill cops in the past 5 years and almost had to serve on a jury for one of them.

Registering a weapon whose sole purpose is to kill and warrantlessly spying on citizens are two entirely different things. Crazy people with rifles kill people while it seems that the only thing the government is worried about is spying on us.
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colpy
10:56 AM on 02/18/2012
There are times, only occasionally, when I really really like Mr. Harper.

This is one of them.