Opposition Jumps On Surveillance Bill Confusion

Vic Toews

First Posted: 02/20/2012 12:16 am Updated: 02/22/2012 11:27 am


Public Safety Minister Vic Toews' office sought to clear up confusion over the government's online surveillance bill Sunday, following comments by the minister that suggested he was surprised by some of the bill's contents.


In an interview that aired Saturday on CBC Radio's The House, Toews told host Evan Solomon he would seek an explanation for wording in Section 17 of Bill C-30, which outlines "exceptional circumstances" under which "any police officer" can request an internet service provider turn over customer information without a warrant.


In an email to CBC News on Sunday, Toews' director of communications, Mike Patton, wrote that "the Minister has said numerous times, nothing contained in the legislation gives officers further powers to access any sort of communication without a warrant."


Patton said Section 17 "simply extends the powers of a police officer to request 'phonebook' information — from the limited number of officers in a normal circumstance to any officer in an emergency."


When Solomon read out the section during The House interview, Toews said, "I'm not familiar with that framing of the concern because, as I understand it, they can only ask for this information where they are conducting a specific criminal investigation."


"This is the first time I'm hearing [that] this somehow extends ordinary police emergency powers," Toews said. "In my opinion, it doesn't. And it shouldn't."


NDP says bill should be withdrawn


NDP justice critic Jack Harris told CBC News the surveillance bill should be withdrawn and scrapped.


"It comes as a great shock to me, and it should to all Canadians, that Minister Toews is introducing legislation that he doesn't understand the contents of," he wrote.


Liberal public safety critic Francis Scarpaleggia told CBC News "the minister has opened up a new pandora's box."


"He wasn't sure if [Section 17] was in the context of a criminal investigation or if it could just be a fishing expedition, but the fact that the minister isn't clear about what's in his own bill is problematic."


Toews was criticized last week because he told Scarpaleggia in the House of Commons that he could "either stand with us or with the child pornographers," after the Liberal MP asked about privacy concerns arising from the bill.


'Go back to the drawing board'


In a telephone interview with CBC News on Sunday, Chantal Bernier, the assistant privacy commissioner of Canada, said there are "sources of concern" with Bill C-30.


According to Bernier, under this legislation "the government would create an obligation for internet service providers to give, upon written request from designated officers without any judicial authorization, the subscriber information behind an IP address."


"Our technologists tell us, that those data elements, are enough to construct enough of a profile to then track the online activities of an individual — and that without a warrant, without having to prove suspicion of criminal activity," said Bernier.


The federal privacy commissioner's office would like to see amendments brought in to protect the privacy of law-abiding Canadians, Bernier said.


And while Toews has sent the bill to committee for second reading, Michael Geist, a privacy expert and law professor at the University of Ottawa, told CBC News that "the government needs to go back to the drawing board."


Otherwise, Geist warns the alternative could be costly.


'"The notion that the government can screw this up, that they can install that sort of surveillance capabilities, that they can dispense with basic notions of privacy on the internet, I think is something that would stick for literally decades in the minds of many Canadians," Geist said.


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  • What's In Online-Snooping Bill

    Like similar legislation introduced in the past by both Conservative and Liberal governments, the new bill includes provisions that would: <em>With files from CBC</em> (Shutterstock)

  • Warantless Online Info

    Require telecommunications and internet providers to give subscriber data to police, national security agencies and the Competition Bureau without a warrant, including names, phone numbers and IP addresses. (CP)

  • Back Door Access

    Force internet providers and other makers of technology to provide a "back door" to make communications accessible to police. (Getty)

  • Location, Location, Location

    Allow police to get warrants to obtain information transmitted over the internet and data related to its transmission, including locations of individuals and transactions. (Alamy)

  • Preserve Data

    Allow courts to compel other parties to preserve electronic evidence. (Alamy)

  • New Bill Is Different

    However, unlike the most recent previous version of the bill, the new legislation: (Alamy)

  • Less Data

    Requires telecommunications providers to disclose, without a warrant, just six types of identifiers from subscriber data instead of 11. (Alamy)

  • Oversight

    Provides for an internal audit of warrantless requests that will go to a government minister and oversight review body. Minister of Public Safety Vic Toews is pictured. (CP)

  • Review After 5 Years

    Includes a provision for a review after five years. (Alamy)

  • More Time To Implement

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BCPATRIOT
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09:20 AM on 02/21/2012
Harper its time to let Toews go, your losing votes by the tens of thousands. You will continue to lose votes until he steps down or you fire him. You can not afford to lose any votes because you only had 40% to start with.
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Colin Speth
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04:59 PM on 02/20/2012
I agree Toews has lost it and needs to go. Calling him out for icompetetence is one thing but personal attacks and annonymous threats are just downright lame. The stuff of cowards and children.
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djelimon17
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05:43 PM on 02/20/2012
Public domain knowledge is public domain. The affidavits from his divorce are available to the public and as such there is no ethical or legal reason not to tweet them. Anonymous otoh hasn't actually done anything, and the jury is out as to whether it was actually one of them who made the video - anyone can make a video.
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SayBlade
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10:53 PM on 02/20/2012
Mention of Toews private life has been in the press for the past four years. Anonymous is not first in line here.

From May 2008, paragraph 18.
http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/columnists/story.html?id=743e9b7e-d2d6-43c2-a37d-71e38a84163e
04:56 PM on 02/20/2012
Vic Toews is either TOTALLY INCOMPETENT or he's A LIAR. Most likely he's an incompetent liar.
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Ascoli
07:33 AM on 02/21/2012
He's all of the above ......a Conservative
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njdanie
old retired nerd
03:40 PM on 02/20/2012
The truly scary thing is that this is the same government that released private medical records as part of a smear campaign aimed at veterans who dared to complain about their treatment by the government.

If this bill passes, just think how much information the government will be able collect, distort and release about environmentalists, trade unionists, and anyone else they disagree with!
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greysells2
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02:25 PM on 02/20/2012
Well. there is Peter "Whirlygig" MacKay, too.
Elmwoodmac
No matter where you go, there you are!
02:14 PM on 02/20/2012
This should be a non-partisan issue and everyone should be up in arms. I don't care if this is a conservative idea, liberal, ndp, whatever.
This sort of bill and thinking is just plain dangerous to democracy as we know it.
If the average Canadian doesn't get riled up over this and let's our government get another pass then we are all doomed.
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Kristopher Leang
training to take down the elite
01:58 PM on 02/20/2012
Ya cower form the light of truth dirty conservative rats
02:51 PM on 02/20/2012
From the King of Generaliation
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Kristopher Leang
training to take down the elite
03:14 PM on 02/20/2012
sorry didnt catch that one
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03:55 PM on 02/20/2012
Stalin was on you mind?
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Colin Speth
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04:56 PM on 02/20/2012
Yes look at him standing there in the House of Commons, cowering.
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01:54 PM on 02/20/2012
the opposition better be worried, if this bill passes they will be under 24/7 surveillance... as will provincial and civil opponents... and no one will be the wiser except the ruling parties...
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temenos
castigat ridendo mores
01:47 PM on 02/20/2012
Our governing party continues to imitate the southern terminus of a herd of equines on a northward trajectory.
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William Muller
01:40 PM on 02/20/2012
Toews is just another Harper puppet who pushes a Bill he doesn't quite comprehend.. "Well, you know, I just followed the boss's order".
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SayBlade
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10:56 PM on 02/20/2012
Puppets? Right up there with Rusty and Jerome, Casey and Finnegan and Susie the Mouse.
03:41 PM on 02/21/2012
On behalf of Rusty, Jerome, Casey, Finnegan and Susie who aren't here to defend themselves, I demand you take that back! They have done nothing to be lumped in with the Harperites and they resent the slur on puppetry.
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logicanada
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01:24 PM on 02/20/2012
The next Prime Minister could easily be elected on the platform of recinding each and every policy or bill Harper's regime put their slimy little fingers upon.
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Kristopher Leang
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01:59 PM on 02/20/2012
100% agreed
Thelonius
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03:13 PM on 02/20/2012
Bingo!!!
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logicanada
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01:23 PM on 02/20/2012
Patton said Section 17 "simply extends the powers of a police officer to request 'phonebook' information — from the limited number of officers in a normal circumstance to any officer in an emergency."

Yup. It's really pretty simple , folks. That's why the bill is worded exactly in Patton's words.

Lies.
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SayBlade
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01:32 PM on 02/20/2012
Ha! Then, instead there should be a campaign by police to revive the white pages. A phone book for every police division. Oh, and a postal code book, too. No need for warrants, no need to snoop in everybody's business on the internet.
Thelonius
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01:10 PM on 02/20/2012
Yet another example of "Conservative" incompetence. The Harper gang is replete with bozos who should have never been elected. Hopefully, Canadians are comprehending this and will turn out in sufficient numbers in the next election to get rid of these Texas North Neo-con Yahoos.
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okgranny
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01:27 PM on 02/20/2012
Even Texas says the crime bill is dumb.
Elmwoodmac
No matter where you go, there you are!
01:05 PM on 02/20/2012
This is very very scary. What else does the Harper government have up their sleeves? I say wake up Canada. Time for us to get up from behind our computers and stand up for our freedom and rights. You really want to live in a Police State?
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Ascoli
07:35 AM on 02/21/2012
Time for a Canadian Spring