Old Age Security Canada: Diane Finley Targets Younger Canadians With Pitch To Cut OAS Benefits

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First Posted: 02/21/2012 1:00 pm Updated: 02/21/2012 6:15 pm

OTTAWA - The federal government is stepping up its rhetoric to justify plans to cut public pension benefits, but remains silent on how it will address seniors' poverty.

In a speech in Toronto on Tuesday, Human Resources Minister Diane Finley delivered the government's most nuanced discussion to date of its plans to reform old age security or OAS.

She confirmed that a detailed plan would be presented in the budget, expected next month.

And she targeted her pitch at younger Canadians, saying they will face higher taxes, fewer social programs or larger deficits unless major reforms are started right now.

"We cannot allow ourselves to be pegged into a situation where we are faced with a choice between the country's financial security, and our commitment to aging Canadians who have worked long and hard to build this great nation," she told a Canadian Club luncheon.

But Finley did not say anything about how the changes would affect low-income seniors who depend heavily on federal pension benefits to stay above water.

"A lot of Canadian seniors rely on this money," said Susan Eng, director of advocacy for CARP, an advocacy group for people over age 50.

She attended the speech in the hope of learning more about the government's plans, but said she left annoyed and concerned about the future for impoverished seniors.

OAS is tightly entwined with the guaranteed income supplement or GIS, a top-up for low-income seniors. The two-part system is widely credited for dramatically reducing poverty among seniors over the last 30 years.

Now that Ottawa is poised to lay out a plan in the next budget that could raise the age of eligibility to 67 from today's 65, opposition members and a wide spectrum of experts have pointed to the need to consider vulnerable people over 60.

Government officials have made it clear that when cabinet ministers talk about reforming old age security, they are lumping in the guaranteed income supplement with the basic benefit that delivers about $500 a month to 98 per cent of Canadians over 65.

Unless Ottawa takes steps to separate the top-up from the basic old age security benefit, poor seniors would stay on provincial welfare rolls for an extra two years.

Government sources say Ottawa is currently in discussions with provincial governments on this topic.

And since low-income seniors die earlier than high-income seniors, the federal government would be cutting disproportionately into their lifelong retirement benefits, analysts note.

In 2006, the government's chief actuary found that the average life expectancy at age 65 of people receiving the guaranteed income supplement was much shorter than the life expectancy of those too rich to receive OAS.

He found that for men, poorer seniors were dying 4.5 years earlier than the rich. For women, the difference was 3.4 years.

So chopping two years off their benefits would be far more punishing for the poor than the rich, says Michael Wolfson, a former senior official at Statistics Canada now at the University of Ottawa.

"Cutting back on OAS, and more so GIS, hits those who not only are poorer, but also live fewer years to collect these benefits," he said in a note.

"This would really hit those with low incomes, and (like the crime bills) could shift hundreds of millions in costs to provincial governments, since many in this age bracket might have to go on social assistance."

There are ways the government could raise the age of entitlement for old age security but still deliver an income supplement to low-income people under 67, experts say.

But so far, the government has focused the discussion on the need for the government to save money over the long run.

"We will need to ensure that our government has the fiscal room to meet the various needs of an aging population … without putting an undue tax burden on younger generations," Finley said Tuesday.

While other countries have acted to increase the age of eligibility to keep in line with aging populations, Canada has stood still, she said.

"It's ticking along as if things haven't changed demographically in 50 years.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper announced in Davos, Switzerland, last month that he would soon undertake major reforms to Canada's retirement system. Current arrangements are "unsustainable," he said, as more and more people retire and fewer and fewer people pay income tax.

The leading option is to gradually raise the age of eligibility to 67 from today's 65, beginning in a few years' time.

Other options could include changes to the clawback rules, which require individuals earning more than $69,000 a year to start paying back their OAS benefits.

The reform plan has been met with much skepticism, however, and is still in flux.

Opposition parties have pounded the government for backtracking on promises not to touch transfers to individuals in order to eliminate the deficit.

"Pushing seniors into poverty is not leadership," New Democrat MP Matthew Kellway said after Finley's speech. "Providing jobs for Canadians, providing jobs for Canadian youths — that would be leadership."

Many experts say a discussion about the age of pension-benefit entitlement is worth having, given changing demographics. But they want a broader discussion on how changes would affect the retirement system as a whole.

"The one area that the minister didn't mention, but I think is really important, is that there also is the guaranteed income supplement," said Toronto-Dominion Bank's chief economist, Craig Alexander, after the speech.

But he said that for most people, raising the age of eligibility would only mean marginal changes in the long run — working an extra year or two than originally planned.

"I don't think that's a negative because one of the biggest changes of an aging population is skill shortages," he said.

Still, parliamentary budget officer Kevin Page has questioned the government's claim that today's system is unsustainable. He says that with recent changes to the rate of escalation in health transfers to the provinces, the federal government now has fiscal room to continue with old age security as it is now if they choose.

And, more significantly for Harper, Tory caucus members are worried about a backlash from their constituents and are pressing him to be cautious.

— With files from Romina Maurino in Toronto

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  • Old Age Security Facts

    Here are some facts about Old Age Security. <em>With files from The Canadian Press</em> (Alamy)

  • Who Gets It?

    98 per cent of Canadians aged 65 or older, regardless of whether they are retired, and regardless of their pre-retirement income.

  • Amount?

    Maximum monthly benefits are $540.12, and average benefits are slightly more than $500. (CP)

  • Clawbacks?

    OAS is considered taxable income. It is also clawed back for people earning more than $69,562 a year. Anyone making more than $112,772 has to pay it all back. (Getty)

  • Importance?

    For people aged 65 to 69, OAS makes up 13 per cent of their income, on average. (Alamy)

  • Poverty?

    About a third of OAS recipients also get the Guaranteed Income Supplement top-up, targeted at low-income seniors. GIS is income tested. (Thinkstock)

  • Maximum?

    The maximum benefit for someone collecting OAS and GIS is $1,240 per month. (Jupiter Images)

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Another Pesky Canadian
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11:28 PM on 02/24/2012
"But Finley did not say anything about how the changes would affect low-income seniors who depend heavily on federal pension benefits to stay above water."

Perhaps they are planning to use their fancy new prisons as optional social housing?
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04:13 PM on 02/23/2012
Not mentioned here is the fact that those with great jobs that pay well will be able to keep those an extra couple of years without having to defend their right to stay on. Mandatory retirement has been against the law, since 2006 in Ontario, though probably many people would retire at about that age anyway. But if the age for OAS is moved to 67, the age most common for retirement to happen will probably be age 67, great if you love your job. Not too hard to see who benefits.

Read this from CBC, 2010, for more info:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2009/08/20/mandatory-retirement-explainer523.html
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04:05 PM on 02/23/2012
"Unless Ottawa takes steps to separate the top-up from the basic old age security benefit, poor seniors would stay on provincial welfare rolls for an extra two years."

And there's nothing in here about seniors working minimum wage jobs just barely hanging on until retirement, at 65. If these changes go through, it will be that much harder, at age 67, with ill health and general problems of aging catching up to the ones who aren't eligible for good medical care (no company health plan, etc). There are other benefits that come at the same time seniors currently receive OAS - and that is the drug plan, free eye test, physiotherapy, all for age 65ers. What will happen to that?
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BCSLAVE
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12:39 AM on 03/26/2012
All taken away I would bet.

Lets be clear, Harper wants to reduce costs by hoping a large number of people die before or just after they start to receive their pension.

People wake up and see through his creepy plan.
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10:17 AM on 03/26/2012
I haven't been keeping track so I don't know about what is supposed to happen to seniors' additional benefits. There's also various plans - bus passes, that charge depending on senior status meaning age 65, and others that start at 55 or 60.

Yes, two years will make a big difference in payments the govt has to make if old people without medical insurance start to suffer ill-health around that time and don't get the healthcare they need. That leaves more for the ones with the medical insurance to maintain their good health.

I doubt that Harper himself would realize the significance of his plan, as he is an important person and will be looked after, but the women around him would.
11:12 AM on 02/22/2012
How about you stop your assault on income security and programs that young people depend on if you really cared about us.

If you really cared about young people you'd:

- Stop the austerity and provide jobs for young people and other unemployed Canadians.
- Stop worrying about debt and deficits and start investing in education and our aging infrastructure.
- Stop dismantling programs that provide people with a basic safety net and start strengthening it for future generations.

This government just doesn't understand the needs of young people.
07:08 AM on 02/22/2012
Here we go again. Young people are better served with lower retirement ages, permitting them more opportunities to be well paid earlier in life. The continuing technological progress will cover any issues of working vs non-working to be supported and anything further can be covered by immigration. This is an attempt at intergenerational warfare.
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05:26 AM on 02/22/2012
The first crop of baby boomers turned 65 in 2008 and their retirement has been long awaited so that jobs would open up for younger people. The rational for increasing immigration is based on this fact also. If you delay retirement by 2 years, that increases unemployment.

Our kids are entering a work force making less money than we did, having less job security and waiting longer to get benefits. Many jobs play the full time part time game for years, never giving new hires benefits. My husband currently works 50-60 hours/week and has done so for 6 months as an RPN but he's a part time worker and has little hope of getting benefits for at least 2years and that's the new norm.

This is a complicated problem but increasing the age to qualify for OAS is putting a bandaid on a critical wound. It adds to the problem instead of making it better. A problem which was created by poor stewardship of the funds that were contributed by the boomers.
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hollace
I told you I was sick
01:51 AM on 02/22/2012
Why is Harper still here? Instead of trying to figure out who's fault it is...(I don't see wealthy people living off the fat of the land around me) why not take someone you think this policy will effect to vote in the next election. Take your grandparents and unless they have gold bars under their beds leave them alone. Their hands tell the story, and I bet they don't look like Harper's or demand as much .
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hollace
I told you I was sick
01:42 AM on 02/22/2012
Can we have the Billion dollars back you used against our kids first during the g20? The day you rented out Toronto to anyone but Canadians?
11:56 PM on 02/21/2012
Maybe the kids would think Diane Finlay was cooler if she wore her shades again
11:39 PM on 02/21/2012
The Hacker Government knows hack, and don't know workable solution. The problem is not enuff rich Canucks to claw. So they should work on making more old Canucks stink rich like dead fish.

Another problem is too many poor old Canucks. Get 'em outta here. Send them to Peru or back to Kushistan. Canada's cost of living is too darn high. You can live like a federal politican on $600 bucks per month in the thurd world. So cut the benefits and pay the airfare to get them there.

Or give a poor old bloke a shot at some easy money. Let the retired have an op to grow 3 or 4 high potency plants... and make 'em pay tax.

Or just tax the drug trade and mellow out, eh?
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hollace
I told you I was sick
01:44 AM on 02/22/2012
don't Bogart that joint ay? you sound like you may not remember where to get the next one....
07:20 AM on 02/22/2012
Actually I don't know. Is there a drug I can take for that? Tell me quick or... what was your question?
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08:33 AM on 02/22/2012
it's Eh....not ay
11:24 PM on 02/21/2012
Seniors will remember this at the ballot box. Disgraceful, but then I didn't vote for the duplicitous Tories. Say how about we build fewer prisons? Not add more senators - or abolish the senate. OR end pensions for MPs. So many more ways to save $$.
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Spanky McFarlane
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11:03 PM on 02/21/2012
Harper is well versed in the art of 'Chocolate kettle' politics.

He & his Party thrive & survive on the creation of both conflict & division.

Strong against weak, rich against poor, it's all old hat I'm afraid- only this time, with this Party it's served up in what amounts to a big brown paper bag of BS set a light & placed on 'Canada's doorstep' - by several bungling buffoons tripping over each other as they all struggle to ring the bell.

We see you Mr.Harper!
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BCSLAVE
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11:00 PM on 02/21/2012
I am sure the youth will support getting less, working longer, and having no say in the mater.

And where was this in the election? Why were foreigners told about this before Canadians?
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uneeda
Make Peace in Our Time
10:33 PM on 02/21/2012
next the death panels
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09:48 PM on 02/21/2012
The Tories know that they will lose the votes of seniors for this one so they are trying to suck up to the youth vote.

Newsflash, the youth hate the Tories so it will not work.