Vic Toews' Predecessor Opposed Extra Power For Police

Vic Toews Lawful Access

First Posted: 02/22/2012 10:26 am Updated: 02/23/2012 4:27 pm


A former Conservative public safety minister says he was against giving the police more power when he was in charge of the department that's now pushing the government's lawful access legislation.


Stockwell Day, who was public safety minister from 2006 until 2008, says he thought anything police did should be accompanied by a warrant.


The current legislation, also known as online surveillance, would force internet and telecommunications service providers to hand over specific customer information to police upon request and without a warrant. It also removes any legal deterrent to them providing information police ask for, and allows inspectors designated by the minister to see any information held by the ISPs.


"People have been saying, did I say something different than other ministers have said? I did say that I don’t think police should be given any more powers, that anything they do should have to accompany a judicial warrant," Day said, referring to comments he made in 2007.


"I think what we need to do is reserve judgment on [bill C-30] … because the government’s made a very clear statement they’re open to revision on it."


Day says it's a "big gain" that, following enormous public backlash, the government is sending the bill straight to committee for amendments.


In 2007, Day contrasted what his government was planning with lawful access legislation tabled under the previous Liberal government.


"We are not, in any way, shape or form, wanting extra powers to police to pursue items without a warrant. That is not what our purported legislation is going to be doing. That is previous Liberal legislation and that's not the path we're walking down at all," he said.


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  • What's In Online-Snooping Bill

    Like similar legislation introduced in the past by both Conservative and Liberal governments, the new bill includes provisions that would: <em>With files from CBC</em> (Shutterstock)

  • Warantless Online Info

    Require telecommunications and internet providers to give subscriber data to police, national security agencies and the Competition Bureau without a warrant, including names, phone numbers and IP addresses. (CP)

  • Back Door Access

    Force internet providers and other makers of technology to provide a "back door" to make communications accessible to police. (Getty)

  • Location, Location, Location

    Allow police to get warrants to obtain information transmitted over the internet and data related to its transmission, including locations of individuals and transactions. (Alamy)

  • Preserve Data

    Allow courts to compel other parties to preserve electronic evidence. (Alamy)

  • New Bill Is Different

    However, unlike the most recent previous version of the bill, the new legislation: (Alamy)

  • Less Data

    Requires telecommunications providers to disclose, without a warrant, just six types of identifiers from subscriber data instead of 11. (Alamy)

  • Oversight

    Provides for an internal audit of warrantless requests that will go to a government minister and oversight review body. Minister of Public Safety Vic Toews is pictured. (CP)

  • Review After 5 Years

    Includes a provision for a review after five years. (Alamy)

  • More Time To Implement

    Allows telecommunications service providers to take 18 months instead of 12 months to buy equipment that would allow police to intercept communications. (Alamy)

  • Expanded Definitions

    Changes the definition of hate propaganda to include communication targeting sex, age and gender. (Alamy)

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ProgressiveCDN
A Progressive Moderate
03:30 PM on 03/06/2012
The Liberals never proposed warrantless online surveillance. Nice try though
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07:20 PM on 02/23/2012
He is a together-looking package.
The kind of politician who thinks things through twelve times..
and then says them carefully...
letting the fishing line out carefully and pulling it back
often to keep a reign on it.
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ProgressiveCDN
A Progressive Moderate
03:29 PM on 03/06/2012
no. he's just listening to his constituents.
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opprobrious
More speech. Less Flagging.
12:47 AM on 02/23/2012
"Stockwell Day, who was public safety minister from 2006 until 2008, says he thought anything police did should be accompanied by a warrant."

Wow. I actually agree with Stockwell Day. Probably because it's brain-dead obvious even for Stockwell Day that anything the police do in the area of accessing private personal information should be accompanied by a warrant. It's not as if getting a warrant is actually difficult or anything. Like someone must have said, "beware the politician who complains the loudest about big government."
11:53 PM on 02/22/2012
All government's want to do away with civil liberties. Some are just more tactful than Harper's.
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Marie Forcier
10:01 PM on 02/23/2012
True say!
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tnanimation
11:33 PM on 02/22/2012
Vic Toews (To Stockwell Day): "I know you've got my back on this one, buddy."
Stockwell Day: "If by saying 'got yer back' you are referring to the fact that I just
upchucked all over it, then yes, I've got your back."
I'm starting to see tiny clown cars and hearing calliope music whenever I read articles
about Harper's rather humorous group of Reform cowboys.
07:07 PM on 02/22/2012
Stockwell Day has always been against this liberal proposed bill
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darksideofthespoon
what we think we become
09:22 PM on 02/22/2012
Police accessing private information without a warrant is wrong, no matter who tries it or who thought of it first. Can't you just agree that it is wrong without trying to blame "the liberals"? It's a badly written piece of legislation that impedes on our rights, there's no need to keep dropping the "liberal" bomb.
10:09 PM on 02/22/2012
don't give a hoot which party developed it ... it's not a good bill. And what kind of government just sits back and supports the lame bills created by the losing party? And what kind of government never takes responsibility for anything and always has the same replay - the liberals did it. sounds like something a child would say.
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07:03 PM on 02/22/2012
I am uncomfortable with Stockwell Day's tenuous connection with the Reform Party and Western Separatism. I would oppose this man even if I agreed with him. That ought-a shake up the conservative element.
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06:59 PM on 02/22/2012
if this bill passes... to start with, i will expect the police to sweep ALL govenrment computers, smart phones, etc. weekly (as they are paid for by canadian taxpayers) to ensure they are not being used for nefarious transgressions and also for the police to use profiling based on the institiutions and persons that have had issues with past "child transgressions" (you know who you are) and to also sweep them weekly... do that, and you can check out my hard drive... i got nothing to hide... but i bet the aforementioned do...
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07:02 PM on 02/22/2012
oh. and for the rcmp to sweep civic and provincial law enforcement agenices and vice versa...
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tnanimation
06:55 PM on 02/22/2012
Watching the wheels come off of the Reform Party clown car with great joy! Harper's cowboys are the most inept government in decades!
10:10 PM on 02/22/2012
Agreed.
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robertmiller252
06:14 PM on 02/22/2012
Mr. Day, as a long-time Conservative, I agree with your sentiments entirely. The Conservatives have made a huge mistake in presenting this legislation. Put a stop to it now.
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Liz Wilson 2
“a small group can change the world
06:24 PM on 02/22/2012
He was an Alberta PC the group that became reform and then returned to use the name Conservative.

However, your point that he is expressing all of our concerns is very important. I suspect that he, like others, did not seek re-election because they had differences with Harper
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robertmiller252
06:37 PM on 02/22/2012
I can't agree with your assumption. I attended the last Conservative convention in Ottawa in 2011. There was a very real obvious warmth between Mr. Day and Mr. Harper. In fact, Mr. Day was one of the keynote speakers. Hardly a position he would be in if he were in the outs with Mr. Harper. He is still a very important presence in the Conservative Party of Canada.

But he chooses to disagree, and that is fine. And if you know Conservatives as I do, you should not be surprised at this.
07:19 PM on 02/22/2012
But this is a very conservative legislation.
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robertmiller252
07:43 PM on 02/22/2012
Sorry. But I don't believe that. Tim Hudak lost in Ontario because he really pissed off many long-time conservatives with some of his plans. They didn't buy it. They were his base. And he forgot that.
06:08 PM on 02/22/2012
Always liked Stockwell Day. Got a Bum rap for being seen on a Jet Ski.
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tnanimation
06:57 PM on 02/22/2012
Yeah! And that creationism, dinosaurs existed alongside cavemen thing was taken totally out of context.
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greenmonk
The Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself
03:10 PM on 02/22/2012
We all have to keep vigil in our fight to retain Net Neutrality.

Conservatives and the multinational corporations that rule them want a dictatorial hold on everything we see and read on the internet. The want to divy it up like fast food chains, where any independent "mom and pop" sites are gobbled up or censored, or if all else fails, limit their bandwidth so they die a slow death.

IMO this is the primary fight of the century.
04:03 PM on 02/22/2012
I suspect that they are rather more interested in what we say than they are in what we see or read.
Voice recognition was my first clue.
04:30 PM on 02/22/2012
Either scenario is beyond the pale.
Controlling the flow of Information allows Governments to create only the message they want us to see/hear. If a populace is only allowed access to the message of the state, it matters little what we say, eventually we all fall into line.
Witness Kim Jong-Il being hailed as the creator of the Hamburger, or as the world's greatest golfer who recorded a score of 57 on a full length course the first time he played. N Koreans bought in...
The only person who should be able to disseminate the information you consume is YOU.
04:06 PM on 02/22/2012
An afterthought---it is indeed the fight of the century
02:50 PM on 02/22/2012
Billions spent on defence, ships, jails, tougher crime laws, over empowering telecommunication bills all the while wanting Canadians to suffer austerity on pensions that the unbias ombudsman says is unnecessary, and this fool says he ran on an economic platform? If he did, he should be out.
04:04 PM on 02/22/2012
He did and he should.
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12:38 PM on 02/22/2012
"We are not, in any way, shape or form, wanting extra powers to police to pursue items without a warrant. That is not what our purported legislation is going to be doing. That is previous Liberal legislation and that's not the path we're walking down at all," he said

except thats exactly what you are doing..
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Liz Wilson 2
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06:26 PM on 02/22/2012
Those comments came from the b2007 speech.