Jessie Sansone: Dalton McGuinty Defends School After Dad Arrested Over Daughter's Gun Drawing

Jessie Sansone Gun

First Posted: 02/29/2012 10:24 am Updated: 03/ 2/2012 11:02 am

TORONTO - School officials in southwestern Ontario who called authorities after a four-year-old girl drew a picture of her dad holding a gun shouldn't be condemned for their actions, Premier Dalton McGuinty said Wednesday.

The girl's father, Jessie Sansone, was handcuffed, strip-searched and told he was being charged with illegal possession of a firearm. His pregnant wife — at home with their 15-month-old daughter — had to go to the police station while their other three children were interviewed by Family and Children's Services.

Police searched their Kitchener, Ont., home, but the closest thing they found to a firearm was a toy gun. No charges were laid.

While parents are ultimately responsible for the development of their children, schools and teachers also have an obligation to their students, McGuinty said.

"While it may be difficult for this individual — and I can understand that — it's an opportunity to ... engage ourselves in a very important conversation about where do we draw the line in those kinds of things," he said.

"I don't think there's any doubt about the sincerity of the school and the teachers involved that there was a genuine concern.

"I think the question we've got to ask ourselves is, was that the best way to give expression to that concern?"

McGuinty said a review is currently underway, which is "sensible."

"It's never easy, I think, to strike the right balance."

The school, police and child welfare officials all stand by their actions, saying they had to investigate whether there was a gun in the house that children had access to.

In Ontario, teachers and school officials are required to call the authorities when they have reasonable grounds to believe that a child might be in harm's way.

In this case, it appears the girl's remarks about her drawing also drew concern. It's been reported that Sansone's daughter, Neaveh, told a teacher that the sketch was supposed to be her father shooting "bad guys and monsters."

A local school board official later defended the decision to report the drawing, saying they were "co-parenting" with parents.

But the school clearly overreacted and should apologize to Sansone for his ordeal, said Progressive Conservative Leader Tim Hudak.

"I think it sends a chill through all of us as parents that somebody would have to go through that," he said.

"That because his four-year-old drew with a crayon a picture of him with a gun, that the father ends up being strip-searched and the kids temporarily taken away — that's heartwrenching and that's chilling."

While all adults have an obligation to act in the best interest of a child, the Sansone family was subjected to an "intrusive process" during the investigation, said NDP Leader Andrea Horwath.

"I don't think anybody should hesitate if they think a child is seriously in trouble to send the alarm bells out," she said.

"I think the way that we react to those alarm bells needs to be done in a way that doesn't trample on other people's rights and is done in a respectful way."

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12:11 AM on 03/25/2012
What a very sad thing this is. So very shameful. A child can't draw a picture of a gun? Well then they just shouldn't allow any movies or tiv shows to have guns. There should be no toy guns allowed to be sold...in fact the very fact of guns should just be eliminated. Immediate arrests should be made.
I have a child that loves the X-MEN...God help me but a very "intelligent" teacher, social worker, police officer will have me arrested and stripped searched as well....But it's ok...I mean its not a big deal to have strangers take your children away from you...never mind the trauma and fear of you kids. Perhaps children should just not use their imaginations anymore...we should have children look to the teachers to direct them in every word, thought and deed....well this is freedom...you think your children are yours???
12:03 PM on 03/16/2012
Don't fault the teacher. The teacher is not supposed to be an expert in these matters. Social services, perhaps should have squelched it after talking to the toddler, but even they should inform the police even if their recommendation is "no issue". However it appears the police here behaved with total incompetence, unless there had recently been some particularly horrendous crime and the father, his vehicle, something in the drawing presented high indicators of suspicion on this father, including that he would be extremely dangerous if not handled with immediacy.
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ConDsenXieN
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08:58 AM on 03/02/2012
Feel bad for the next dad whose child draws a picture. What a joke this issue was.
01:41 PM on 03/01/2012
The incident could have been investigated, but time and time again, our police across the nation want to act like the forces they admire in the States. Dressed to the nines, battering rams ready, guns drawn, searching room to room yelling "clear." My god folks, this is Canada. Knock on the guys door and question him. If we have to believe that there could be a bogey man behind every door, then we turn into a police state. Every one walking into a bank could be a hold-up man, everyone walking into a school could be child molester, everyone driving a vehicle could be hit man going to his 'drive-by' assignation. The police acted unreasonably and there is no defence of what the police did.
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08:36 AM on 03/01/2012
Kids watch TV? Don't they?
TV is the teacher, family, etc.
How many hrs. they watch, now?
08:29 AM on 03/01/2012
The school had every right to report this.
EVERY ADULT in this country has the legal responsibility to report any case where a child MIGHT be in danger, abused, neglected etc no matter their profession. The big thing people need to remember is that it is not the responsibility of teachers, neighbours, coaches etc to PROVE that an abuse is taking place, that reponsibility is on CAS and social workers.
What this article doesn't state but was in many others, is that the child somehow made it known to the teacher that their is a gun and she has access to it. I really hope that every single adult in this country would call the authorities if any minor said this to them. The school is not going to question the father as this is not within their realm, CAS is not going to question the father as this is not within their realm, possible illegal activities are dealt with by police, CAS is responsible for protecting children not the parents, and teachers are only responsible for reporting possibilities, not to prove them.
With all that being said, I would hope that any adult will put the safety and well-being of a vulnerable person before any possible reprecussions to an adult. I would also hope that this father then went home and had a big talk with his daughter about the difference between a story, the truth, a lie and the difference between a toy gun and real one.
08:52 PM on 03/06/2012
THERE WAS NO GUN IN THE HOUSE, can you not read the reports!!

Children watch TV they see things, hear things and conjure stories up in their minds, often a fantasy, even if they are taught well by their parents about difference between a lie and the truth. If you have actually raised children then you know what I mean.

This man's dignity was wrecked by a system that is paranoid beyond any reason, he was stripped of his rights and accused before they searched his house, this is the wrong that the system did, it failed miserably. If there was actual genuine concern why did they (police) first not just question him, and use common sense and good and proper judgement to investigate the suspicion? No, they just jumped to conclusions way too prematurely, they (school, CAS and police) favoured towards wielding the extremes of their powers to show who is really in control of our lives.

Shame on Dalton McGuinty for siding with the school, CAS and police, it shows where his loyalties are and they're not with the public of Ontario. Shame on you Dalton!!
Just have this happen to yourself first and then see if you feel the same way again.
Do the right thing Dalton, call an inquiry into the abuse this man suffered at the hands of the authorities.
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03:40 PM on 03/20/2012
CAS is gov... Its the government it can't be anything but disturbingly stupid.
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02:16 AM on 03/01/2012
" Sansone's daughter, Neaveh, told a teacher that the sketch was supposed to be her father shooting "bad guys and monsters." ".

So a girl draws a picture that depicts her father in a role where he protects his family.
Why did this warrant any attention for the teacher, the school, the school board, social services or the police?
I am a mother. I want my child to be safe. I would like to know that society at large, both in an institutional and in individual capacity, is looking out for her. BUT I don't want her to become neurotic or paranoid. I want her to enjoy her life and feel free to express herself. I want her to be courageous and able to take risks. I want her to learn how to assess risk for herself, and not always have somebody step in to 'save' her. I am all for some protections and safety regulations and oversight. But please, let's not go totally overboard. Children need to be children, and part of that is being allowed certain amounts of freedom. They should not have to fear that what they draw in class will get their parents into trouble. If physical abuse or harm was portrayed, or the child expressed fear, I could understand. But. Nothing in this story indicates any fear in or threat to the child.
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03:42 PM on 03/20/2012
Hire teachers with single digit IQ's and you get bogus phone calls to equally inept police with similar single digit IQ's.
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gwinegarden
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09:25 PM on 02/29/2012
I think that the only group who acted badly were the police. They went way too far without having any facts.
08:40 AM on 03/01/2012
I'm sure though, if God forbid, you were ever held hostage in a house by someone with a gun and were at some point able to call police, that you will be very relieved as your house is swarmed by police, SWAT teams, snipers etc without the authorities 'having any facts'.
If their was a gun in this house, that teacher and the authorities would be hailed as heroes.
Let's not pick and choose when police can act without any facts based on how a situation ends.
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gwinegarden
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07:54 AM on 03/04/2012
That's a big stretch from what happened, here.
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WashingtonDCsucks
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03:44 PM on 03/20/2012
I guess you also signed up for the observation camera in all the rooms of your house.
So the government can watch you 24/7, I mean to say if you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to hide do you?
Does the camera in your bathroom fog up? just wondering?

Does that slave collar chaff much?
07:54 PM on 02/29/2012
This is a crazy story. A few things to note - when a teacher calls CAS that agancy determines if the incident warrants their involvement. The social worker obviously thought so and got the police involved. The school can't interview the children or the parents if CAS decides to get involved - the interviewing must be done by them. The actions by the police are also not controlled by the school. Certain professions are obligated by law to contact CAS if there are any concerns and can be held legally accountable if they do not call which is probably why the teacher called in the first place. It is then up to that agency how they proceed with the information given.
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03:45 PM on 03/20/2012
CAS..... Crazy And Stupid.... it's the government what else could possibly be expected, single digit IQ always equals bad decisions.
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06:52 PM on 02/29/2012
Criminalizing citizens is not the answer to curbing social dysfuction, because the violent response the father experienced will only (albeit subtly) engender further social anxiety.

Rather, the hoarding of wealth needs to be criminalized (as we already have provisions for with food during times of crises). Extreme socio-economic differences, across regions or borders, rachets up fear and anxiety between people, promoting alienation, and cause the cultural drift that incites systemic social paranoia, eg. gun culture. If the little girl's drawing was actually a sign of dysfunction, it's the fault of McGuinty, Harper, their peers, and the neoliberal legacy to accumulate, by dispossessing others of opportunity. There's little that promotes fear more completely.

It was disgusting to hear how the police handled this incident, they couldn't have done it in a more harmful, anti-social way.

I hope the father sues and wins.
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06:03 PM on 02/29/2012
I feel so much safer knowing Premier Dad thinks this was handled so well.
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08:38 AM on 03/01/2012
like everything else....
Like > Premier Dad.
04:54 PM on 02/29/2012
shouldn't the police talk to the parents first before proceeding to the arrest part -----------

shouldnt they first determine if the man has weapons before arresting him for illegal possession

---or you could start at the kid at school ----does your dad have a gun ??-----did you ever see dad with a gun ??---if no --well where did you see people with guns ----

a little common sense goes along way
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colpy
06:02 PM on 02/29/2012
Guess what?

As difficult as it is for Liberals (including the Moron McGuinty) to comprehend, guns are PERFECTLY LEGAL in Canada.

So this guy was arrested, strip searched, had his children seized, his wife detained, and his house searched on suspicion of possession of an item THAT IS NOT ILLEGAL.

Heads should roll.
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gwinegarden
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09:28 PM on 02/29/2012
Sorry handguns are not "perfectly legal", in Canada. It is difficult to obtain a license and the rules of possession are very restrictive. Possession of one, in violation of this, carries severe penalties..
01:15 PM on 03/01/2012
guns are not perfectly legal ---
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JeanFrancois Lord
04:52 PM on 02/29/2012
(when they have reasonable grounds to believe that a child might be in harm's way.), like schools are not harms way?
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JeanFrancois Lord
04:46 PM on 02/29/2012
dont trust the teachers, they are looking for projects (kids to save) and teach as a side job.
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gwinegarden
She's an Arctic Wolf
09:29 PM on 02/29/2012
Bunk!
03:17 AM on 03/01/2012
They referred to the teachers as "co-parents" this is different from being a teacher and is clearly a more personal, the implication of the statement was that they have a duty to be more personal as "co-parents" i.e. equal in authority to actual parents, which literally means it's their job to get involved with children's personal lives.

oh but "bunk" yeah that's intelligent too.
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Jay from Ottawa
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03:44 PM on 02/29/2012
As a kid I loved drawing guns and that lasted well into highschool (I started playing videogames at a young age and have many hunters in the family).

I still don't own a firearm and was never violent as a kid, I just like guns (most likely because they were glorified in so many of my favorite action movies). Can't imagine my parents being detained and my house searched over it.

This was complete and utter overreaction. If they really were concerned, they could have asked Dad to come pick her up at school, where the principal could have shown him the picture and asked about it. Dad would have told the principal that it's a see-through toy dart gun and he would have went home with his daughter.

See how a little sensiblity prevents things from blowing out of control ?
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gwinegarden
She's an Arctic Wolf
09:30 PM on 02/29/2012
And, of course, if dad did, indeed, have an illegal firearm, he would own up to it, when asked.
03:10 AM on 03/01/2012
No one had to be arrested or strip searched to determine if a crime had actually been committed. That's simply injustice. No crime, no threat, no witnesses, no justification for arrest. They could have said "we have reason to suspect you have a fire arm" if he says he does, then they can see if it's legal, if he says he doesn't, they might ask him if they can do a search. Is this unreasonable? Or should you be dragged out of your child's school in cuffs, strip searched, tossed in jail, have your children taken first, ask question later? You have no defense to this so you're nitpicking everything else. This was an affront to justice in every way and it is obvious to people all over the world.
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05:57 PM on 03/01/2012
Did know, that world is actually FLAT?