Toronto Subway: Tim Hudak Wants To Order City To Build Underground Transit Even If Council Wants Streetcars

First Posted: 03/ 6/2012 10:27 am Updated: 03/ 8/2012 2:38 pm

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Ontario is providing all the funding so the province should order the city of Toronto to build subways, even if city council votes for light rail transit instead, Opposition Leader Tim Hudak said Tuesday. (CP)

TORONTO - Ontario is providing all the funding so the province should order the city of Toronto to build subways, even if city council votes for light rail transit instead, Opposition Leader Tim Hudak said Tuesday.

Just hours after Mayor Rob Ford's push for subways was dealt a major setback by councillors who replaced the board at the Toronto Transit Commission, the Progressive Conservatives came out swinging on Ford's behalf.

The subway debate at city council has deteriorated into a war of personalities, and the province needs to step in and take control of the $8.4-billion transit plan along Eglinton Avenue, said Hudak.

"The province should be investing in subways, building underground, not ripping up more city streets and taking away lanes permanently to build glorified streetcars," Hudak told reporters.

"We know it’s the right thing to do."

The Tories strongly feel the billions in provincial funding gives the province the right to determine Toronto's transit future, even if the elected council objects, Hudak added.

"This is provincial dollars, $8.4 billion from the provincial treasury, not from the city treasury, therefore the province has to have a say in it," he said.

"I just disagree with the premier who wants to sit on the sidelines and see how this plays out."

During question period, Premier Dalton McGuinty vowed to respect the will of municipal councils, and noted Hudak was a member of the Progressive Conservative government in 1995 that moved to end construction of an Eglinton subway line started by the NDP.

"There was a time when he wanted to bury subways and now he wants to give life to subways, so it’s hard to keep up with where they stand," McGuinty told the legislature.

Hudak said the province simply couldn't afford the subway in 1995, but now is a different time, but the New Democrats also mocked his change of heart.

"The Conservatives actually filled in the hole that was being dug for the Eglinton subway back in 1995 and now all of a sudden they want to build subways," said NDP Leader Andrea Horwath.

"Had they had that vision back in 1995 perhaps we wouldn’t be having this argument today, and we wouldn’t be having the gridlock we have in Toronto now."

The province's funding agreement with Ford required him to get council approval for any transit plan, said McGuinty, who lashed out at Hudak's willingness to overrule the vote of an elected council.

"What other considered positions of municipalities across Ontario is he prepared to disregard and substitute his own personal discretion," asked McGuinty.

"I don't think that’s the way to run a railroad, and I don’t think it’s the way to run a provincial government."

Hudak criticized McGuinty for staying on the sidelines while Ford and his council fight over the future of the city's transit.

There was a "compelling provincial interest" in getting subways built, Hudak said.

"Gridlock (in Toronto) is amongst the worst in North America, costing us billions of dollars every year with people stuck in their cars, waiting for the next streetcar to come along," Hudak said.

"It discourages investment."

Hudak called subways a "once-in-a-generation investment" that he said "offer the best return when it comes to speed, quality and value."

The Tories tried to pass a motion Tuesday calling on the province to fund subways, but the Liberals and NDP combined to defeat it.

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Robert A Hayes
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05:47 PM on 03/26/2012
run the tunnel as far as it can go on existing $ one stop at the end and another somewhere along and make it a transit hub until subsequent stops can be afforded. the future will get to this point anyway.
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cameron d
Good Guys Win
04:30 PM on 03/12/2012
Maybe it's because I live downtown and take the street cars every day, but I don't see a problem with them. I never wait long, they're always on time, and I can always get on one. Am I just lucky 365 days a year?
11:51 PM on 04/02/2012
It works for you, but it stops vehicular traffic. Thats the difference. Underground will work just as well for you, maybe better, and it will allow vehicles more room to navigate.

I know, if we could wave a magic wand all cars would dissappear or Mercedes will sell Smart cars to 6 grand each, but it is what it isn't
12:18 PM on 03/12/2012
I thought Conservative meant "fiscally Conservative" - getting maximum benefit for the constituents while responsibly spending the smallest amount of tax dollars possible.

This statement by Hudak and the Ontario Conservative party is a fail for the party at all levels - ideologically, philsophically, economically and conservatively (big or small C" speaking.
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Maxirules
06:09 PM on 03/08/2012
Did you just have an epiphany? Didn't this cross your mind when you voted against it in 1995? And are you from Toronto? If not, you have nt right to say what we need to build and what we don't. Worry about your riding.
11:52 PM on 04/02/2012
LOL, guy painted himself into a corner didn't he.
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cinderelladressmaker
06:38 PM on 03/07/2012
Hey Hudak, you are not an elected representative in Toronto, you are not our Premier and your permanent (tax paying) residence is not in Toronto. How dare you speak out against our City Council decision? Move to Toronto permanently and then you can have a say.
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02:32 PM on 03/07/2012
What's the BIG PLAN, HUDAK?
11:32 AM on 03/07/2012
Hey Hudak you lost the election, shut your mouth, no one wants to hear your Tory rants about taking control. You cannot bypass the process of our elected council.
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All Seeing Guy
Center of the storm
03:42 AM on 03/07/2012
How nice, a vote conservative in Ontario is vote against local governance and meddling across political lines. Stay classy Hudak.
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Another Pesky Canadian
Talk - action = 0
11:13 PM on 03/06/2012
Re: ""The Conservatives actually filled in the hole that was being dug for the Eglinton subway back in 1995 and now all of a sudden they want to build subways," said NDP Leader Andrea Horwath."

Too bad they didn't also fill in their pie-holes back then.
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Tiger of BC
08:28 PM on 03/06/2012
I was, well, stunned when I drove in Toronto for the first time a couple of months ago. Those street car cement barriers in the middle of the road, the messed up intersections, really? t seemed like danger was everywhere.

I grew up driving in West Los Angeles the "home state" of gridlock, but I was rather disturbed by the cramped nature of the roadways on those few streets with the cement barriers and U turn signals....

What was wrong with the tracks like on the other streets of Toronto, where it's just in the road? Why did they change? (I assume they changed since it looks rather new)

I dont get it; if they wanted trains, why not put them off to the curb and move the traffic lanes? What in G--'s name were these people thinking making old ladies get off (the street car) in the middle of the road?! Does any other city on Earth have the same kind of system?

I would imagine alot of people get hit by cars as they get off the cement stand thing, is that so? (I saw three people get near-smoked on just that one day)

What about the number of cars that hit the trains, or vice versa, does this happen much?

Sorry, I got riled up there, it just bugged me and I had nobody to rant to about it until now.
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Another Pesky Canadian
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11:16 PM on 03/06/2012
Re: "I would imagine alot of people get hit by cars as they get off the cement stand thing, is that so? (I saw three people get near-smoked on just that one day)"

So YOU'RE the guy who almost ran me over!!!
05:37 PM on 03/06/2012
Another tory who finds democracy an inconvenience.
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Another Pesky Canadian
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11:17 PM on 03/06/2012
Don't they all?
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relentless63
12:13 PM on 03/06/2012
We already have subways that can't manage to get people to work on time. Try Eglinton to Union Station around 8:30. Spend as little as possible until you learn how to make what you build work. Until then, another subway is pure gravy.