F-35: Julian Fantino Raises Prospect Of Nixing Stealth Fighter Deal

F35 Julian Fantino

First Posted: 03/13/2012 12:59 pm Updated: 03/16/2012 9:27 am

OTTAWA - The point man on the F-35 stealth fighter purchase says the Conservative government has not ruled out abandoning the troubled project.

"We have not, as yet, discounted the possibility, of course, of backing out of any of the program," Julian Fantino, associate defence minister, told the House of Commons defence committee Tuesday.

Fantino made the comment after a series of pointed questions from the opposition parties.

A tiny shift in the hard-headed policy on the country's most costly military purchase, it is also a drastic departure from the political rhetoric of a few months ago when Fantino declared his unwavering support before an American business audience.

"We will purchase the F-35," the minister was quoted on Nov. 8 in Fort Worth, Tex., home of the Lockheed Martin plant that builds the jets.

"We're on record. We're part of the crusade. We’re not backing down."

The Conservatives say they still believe the high-tech jet is the best choice to replace the aging CF-18s, but the minister suggested Tuesday they are taking a cautious approach.

"We're going to, at some point in time, make the definitive decision," he said. "We have not, as of yet, signed a contract to purchase."

None of the other nine allied nations have given up the option of bailing on the program, and Fantino said Canada won't either.

Outside the committee, Fantino denied that the government is climbing down from its support for the jet.

"I'm being realistic," he said.

"Until such time as the purchase is signed and ready to go, I think the only appropriate answer for me is to be forthright. We are committed to the program.

"We intend to do the best we can for our men and women and Canadian taxpayers with respect to replacing the CF-18s."

Fantino insisted the government will not leave the air force in the lurch as the current fleet of 1980s-vintage CF-18s reach the end of their projected service life around 2020.

"And we'll just have to think it through as time goes on."

New Democrat critics have been relentless in the Commons by tag-teaming questions every day.

"We knew this project was shaky and now today we see a complete about-face," said defence critic David Christopherson, who pointed out the Conservatives have launched scathing attacks on critics.

"It's all bluster. The reason they suggest someone is unpatriotic is because they don't have solid answers to give. They need to be accountable to Canadians for the action they take."

The Liberals, who used the eye-popping F-35 price tag as one of the justifications for defeating Stephen Harper's minority government last year, were more low-key, but equally keen to watch the government squirm.

Defence critic John McKay described the testimony as "a welcome change in tone" that was evidently brought on by a meeting earlier this month in Washington where partner nations had a chance to quiz both the manufacturer and the Pentagon, which is co-ordinating international orders.

"My question is: How come it took so long? We've been saying this for years."

Since declaring their intention to go with F-35, the Conservatives have doggedly defended the decision. They've dismissed calls for a reconsideration of the project and attacked critics who question the uncertain price tag.

The Harper government says the $9 billion it intends to spend on 65 of the jets is carved in stone. But the government won't see a firm price until it gets close to first delivery, which is nominally expected in 2016.

The cost for 20 years' of in-service support remains a matter of debate, with the air force insisting it will only run in the neighbourhood of an additional $7 billion — a figure the Parliamentary Budget Officer disputes.

Even Pentagon estimates suggest the maintenance bill could run between US$14 billion and US$19 billion.

In months of questioning in the Commons, Fantino has insisted there is no need for a backup plan in case of further delays in the project as the manufacturer works out software and design glitches.

On Tuesday, he told the committee he was waiting for defence officials to prepare alternate scenarios to the F-35 deal, the so-called Plan B that opposition parties have demanded.

He described the request as "what if" research.

Dan Ross, the senior defence official in charge of procurement, testified that his staff and the air force have been continuously monitoring the international aircraft market, but played down the idea that there is a lot of choice available.

"We don't see a change in what's out there," Ross said.

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yer
Stop the Alberta Taliban
06:41 PM on 03/14/2012
The only realistic option was to cancel it last year. it's now March. Dither dither....
07:58 AM on 03/14/2012
All we really have to do is trust the Government to get us another good deal on some barely used Fighter Jets maybe the British have a few left over from another 3rd world country they screwed over on a deal like the Sub deal for the Canadian Navy (now to be fair we didn't specify that the Subs had to go under the water and not continuiously catch on fire) Now I have heard that they might be able to free up a couple of hundred slightly used F-86 Sabre Jets, now if we can just get the Russians to only fly MIG's it could be another Fantino Win, Win.
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BCSLAVE
Got a key?
04:55 PM on 03/14/2012
To bad about the F-86's we made the best model in its day with Orenda engines!
04:35 AM on 03/14/2012
I hope the government eventually decides to purchase the F-35s (or an aircraft similar to an F-35) we need to upgrade our air-force for any future mission Canada may have. Our service men and women deserve better.
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BCSLAVE
Got a key?
04:58 PM on 03/14/2012
You can hope and pray it will fly but its a plane that failed against its real potential adversaries. It was mauled like taking out baby seals.

Our airmen deserve a plane that won't be a failure. Its probably a good bomber (which it really is and if it will actually work) but its no fighter plane.
yer
Stop the Alberta Taliban
06:42 PM on 03/14/2012
except the current CF-18 has more capability and range than this lemon. It's a downgrade, not an upgrade
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foxFAKENEWS
CNN=Enjoy being Lied too!
01:32 AM on 03/14/2012
What a colossal waste of tax payer money! I'd like to know who got paid off for this deal, or job position.
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BCSLAVE
Got a key?
04:59 PM on 03/14/2012
look who pushes it the most and wait to see where they land after office! Like Brian Mulrooney.
01:31 AM on 03/14/2012
I thought we were in bad financial shape. The federal govt. is going to let some of its workforce go according to the news. Here in BC, we're supposed to be in bad shape according to the Clark govt. If we are hurting for money, do we really need these expensive toys?
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Blacksheep1
Keeping the Left honest, 7 days a week!
05:40 AM on 03/14/2012
Because the Chinese and the Russian's have their version, and they're not as naive as Canada when it comes to their security.
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BCSLAVE
Got a key?
05:00 PM on 03/14/2012
Unfortunately the Russians and Chinese have planes that work and the F-35 is a baby seal waiting to be clubbed by their planes.
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Tyler Austin
Women = people. Corperations ≠ people.
11:03 PM on 03/13/2012
How about some some bloody transport aircraft that have a post 1957 design date!
SamEasy
You really don`t want to know.
12:10 AM on 03/14/2012
Helicopters?
10:42 PM on 03/13/2012
Isn't 'looking at alternate scenarios' what you do BEFORE you decide what to buy? Of course, numerical and fact-checking abilities are left-brain activities, the Harpo's don't want anything to do with the Left.
09:54 PM on 03/13/2012
Ah once they check the bank account in the Caymans I'm pretty sure they will become reivigorated with the purchase of the F35. Now if they could only find someway of getting motors with them as well would at least make them look nicer in the Air just hard to sell them as a great deal when they are being towed through the air by a Cessna.
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BCSLAVE
Got a key?
05:02 PM on 03/14/2012
Maybe a DC-3 Dakota - old school - the F-35 can be like the engineless wooden "stealth" gliders used in WWII
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RocketPower
09:37 PM on 03/13/2012
two words: super hornets!

less money, less training, commonality.

let's do it!
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grizzly bear55
King of the forest
04:08 AM on 03/14/2012
Like the British subs we bought and are used as museums?

Nothing British please. and no need for any military aircrafts , we did enough damage in one year.
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RocketPower
08:12 AM on 03/14/2012
Super Hornets are made by Boeing...
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freeSpeakr
I stand on the shoulders of giants
07:31 PM on 03/13/2012
The kickback cheque musta bounced. Should got the cash in a bag. Worked for Brian Mulroney and Bill Van der Zalm.
01:33 AM on 03/14/2012
Is he the one who got caught with bags of money from a German arms dealer?
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BCSLAVE
Got a key?
05:05 PM on 03/14/2012
YES! And never reported the money for 20 years...but that was an oversight. Or in Harper lingo, a differing opinion in adiministrative disagreement like in the in and out election defrauding scheme.
07:14 PM on 03/13/2012
maybe Harper is starting to realize that the money for the jets will be needed elsewhere, instead.
Perhaps to pay the costs of convicting and incarcerating all those instant criminals he and the conservatives just created. when Hitler started out, he was democratically elected, too.
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Taylor Jay
I don't align myself with any political party.
06:51 PM on 03/13/2012
if they dont get it before years end they wont be a option for a few years, maybe when they put out the F-45s.

bill c-10 is gonna cripple the canadian economy and were not gonna have funds for this garbage so either push it through quick or let it die to take the public eye off of imporant stuff like electoral fraud
06:24 PM on 03/13/2012
on second thought ---according to the conservatives our price is fixed at 75 million per copy -------

the rest of the world is getting cold feet due to high and rising costs ------now close to 200 million per copy ----

seems like a good business move to buy them for 75 million and sell them for 150 ----before we take delivery ----65planes x 75 million = 4,875.000,000 dollar profit -
07:44 PM on 03/13/2012
We could sink that profit into our sub program.
08:23 PM on 03/13/2012
no pun intended
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Blacksheep1
Keeping the Left honest, 7 days a week!
05:42 AM on 03/14/2012
Canada has no active sub program.
05:57 PM on 03/13/2012
how much will be squandered to opt out of something we should not have been in ,in the first palce
06:47 PM on 03/13/2012
Can't we just deduct it from the unpaid softwood lumber tariffs that the United States of Arrogance welched on?
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foxFAKENEWS
CNN=Enjoy being Lied too!
01:34 AM on 03/14/2012
X2
05:51 PM on 03/13/2012
Maybe we'll buy "second-hand" aircraft from the Brits. Just like our submarine fleet....lol
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Blacksheep1
Keeping the Left honest, 7 days a week!
05:43 AM on 03/14/2012
You already fly second hand American Aircraft.
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BCSLAVE
Got a key?
05:14 PM on 03/14/2012
If your talking about the CF-18 - they were brand new when we got them. Chinooks on the other hand