British Columbia Welfare Recipients May Be Sent North After Retraining

British Columbia Welfare

First Posted: 03/14/2012 3:53 pm Updated: 03/16/2012 9:28 am

VANCOUVER - British Columbia's governing Liberals are floating a controversial idea to put welfare recipients to work: train them and ship them north.

Liberal cabinet ministers are openly musing about the possibility of offering people on social assistance the opportunity to receive training and then relocate to areas of the province facing a labour shortage, such as northern B.C. and the Interior.

The province's finance and environment ministers described it as a no-brainer that would put people to work and help employers, while critics suggested it would ignore the underlying reasons people find themselves needing assistance in the first place.

"Because you can get people off of welfare, which is costing government money, and put them into a job," Falcon told reporters in Victoria on Wednesday.

Falcon suggested such a program could even finance itself.

His cabinet colleague, Environment Minister Terry Lake, called it common-sense.

"So often we hear of young, employable people who can't find jobs in certain parts of the province, whereas we know that in other parts of the province, the northwest, the northeast in particular, there are opportunities," he said at an unrelated event in Vancouver.

Lake stressed that no one would be forced into such a program.

Neither minister could say how many people might jump at the opportunity. In fact, Lake said the plan was in the "feedback" stage, admitting the idea was a merely trial balloon.

"Sometimes in government when you get sort of common-sense ideas, there are all kind of reasons why they can't happen. Hopefully this is one that can happen."

When he introduced his budget last month, Falcon said the province was considering providing training, accommodation and transportation for unemployed workers, but he didn't elaborate.

Lori Ackerman, the mayor of the northern community of Fort St. John, said she has reservations about the idea, because her community is already coping with a housing shortage and strained social programs.

"The workers that we need are going to have to be able to manage in a winter community," she said in an interview.

Ackerman said she's already heard about the idea directly from the provincial government, and she's been inviting input from her community.

"We don't know what they're issues are, we don't know why they're on welfare," she said.

"If they're on welfare because they held a good job and that particular industry has shut down, and they're able to hold their own, then by all means."

Carole James, the Opposition New Democrats' social development critic, said such a program wouldn't address the underlying problems that lead some people into social assistance, such as addiction and mental illness

"Giving them a ticket to move up north is not going to solve the poverty struggles and the education struggles that those individuals are facing," she said.

James said the government has already missed opportunities to help low-income British Columbians by cutting funding for training in recent years.

A report from the left-leaning Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives released in 2010 examined two B.C. government training programs for welfare recipients and concluded neither program "provided a pathway out of poverty."

The report, written by University of British Columbia professor Shauna Butterwick, focused on people who had multiple barriers to employment, such as addiction, mental and physical health problems or physical disabilities.

Butterwick, whose report did not specifically address relocating social assistance recipients, said provincial training programs in B.C. have been used to reduce the welfare caseload and increase the supply of low-wage workers, rather than to address their underlying issues.

"An employment focus must be balanced with meeting client needs, which is the welfare system's primary function," the report said.

"It is clear from our study that the main interests of government is cost-saving, not providing social programs for those in need."

She made nine recommendations in the report, including improving access to longer-term education and training.

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Cdangers
wish people would pick up a book once in a while.
07:51 AM on 03/18/2012
I don't the negatives in this article. How is it not addressing the poverty issue? You get free training and a job. You just have to move north to get it. What's the issue? They now have a skill and are getting paid to do it. I don't see any negatives.
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lensamy
Humpty Dumpty was pushed.
09:08 AM on 03/17/2012
Heres another idea, help welfare recipient to get training for jobs that they can do where they actually live.
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SiameseTrainer
...we are Sia..mese if you don't please..
01:47 AM on 03/17/2012
Honestly I do not know why this even rates nano space. It is just another neoCon effort at making an emotive issue of the poor. If training is lacking why have they been cutting budgets for Provincially supported training programs for the last 11 years? If it is a problem with public school budgets, why have they been skinning them for the last 11 years? Why is the Province still paying subsidies to Private (including religious) schools when they have not the funds to fully support public schools? Just more karap from the fear factory; "We try and try and try, but we have to SUPPORT THIS DRONE CLASS, otherwise we could reduce your taxes to nothing at all, IF, you are a job provider." For the rest of us it is taxes as usual and borrowing from China for Capital Projects, which benefit "job providers" most and that our grandchildren will politely pay for you to keep your job.

So, will the training meet Union Standards for Heavy Equipment jobs, or Electrical jobs, or Hospital jobs, or Care Home jobs, or local 40 jobs? Or is this just another attempt to send a bunch of marginally trained bodies North to reduce the cost of skilled labour? Any guesses?
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William Muller
05:25 PM on 03/15/2012
Christie Clarke keeps dropping in the polls. Her fake smile doesn't cut it anymore. Adrian Dix will be the next Premier.
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lizsandyotto
05:08 PM on 03/15/2012
Why stop with the unemployed? Do it to new immigrants too. So they won't all move to Toronto and possibly collect welfare too.
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04:08 PM on 03/15/2012
Internal exile. Stalin would approve.
thephuqqer
not the chicken plucker.
10:54 AM on 03/15/2012
Why not send them to Australia?!?!?.....................oh that's right, it's no longer a prison colony.
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Skookum1
truth can't be bought, but lies sure can be sold..
04:00 PM on 03/15/2012
Actually George Vancouver proposed doing that with what is now the South Coast of British Columbia and Puget Sound (which he called New Georgia, New Bremen and New Hanover if you look at his maps), but the proposal got shelved and ignored because of the Napoleonic Wars.....if it had been acted on, the dialect of English from those parts today might sound a lot like 'Strine.....and of course would be of a totally different character than that region today (the what-if tangents are too many to list here).
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gx5000
Life's too short, be happy..
10:12 AM on 03/15/2012
"are openly musing"...
georgee2
My Canada Includes Everyone
09:58 AM on 03/15/2012
This is just a stupid idea. Period!! My entire life governments have been trying to convince the public that those on welfare are ripping off the system. Every time this has been proven to be false.
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06:45 AM on 03/15/2012
Has anyone considered the point of view that welfare is just the cost of paying unemployed people NOT to take jobs that pay next to nothing, because if people are forced to accept cheap wages, other wages would be depressed too? Like perhaps yours? Why should employers pay your high wages when they can fire you and force you to ‘volunteer’ for the north, while rehire someone else, who is looking at the same prospect, for much lower wage. Employers would love to get rid of welfare because that would depress their employees’ wages, and it would be foolish for employees to get on board with that.

Nothing is free, as we have been reminded often in this forum. Guess what, maintaining your high wages in not free either.
07:20 AM on 03/15/2012
sorry Charles, but to the right people,..wages range from $20-40 hr. NO unions!!
SamEasy
You really don`t want to know.
01:39 PM on 03/15/2012
Many people making this kind of money make it BECAUSE unions faught for higher wages, work conditions and benefits!! Any person working in ANY trade is making great money because the companies that employ them either pay them equal wages

I know this because I've lived it and whenever the union went on strike and got more money, our non-union shop got EXACTLY the same increase. And we didn't lose money becasue we didn't have to strike!! That's why they called us 'scabs'.
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Skookum1
truth can't be bought, but lies sure can be sold..
04:18 PM on 03/15/2012
Does that include the many foreign workers being brought in being paid well below market, and then sent home?

And as for welfare people and other unemployed, other than those actual not able to work for whatever reason, the reality is that economists and economic theory are hot-to-trot at "healthy" levels of unemployment to keep their little systems "balanced"....full employment is inflationary or deflationary or whatever rationale they have, so the same politicians who like to crap all over the unemployed to get votes are the ones keeping them unemployed to keep the bankers and corporate types happy. Go figure.

So if people HAVE to be unemployed for economic reasons....what are they supposed to do? Curl up and die in a snowbank? Oh, but then they wouldn't be unemployed anymore and somebody ELSE will have to be unemployed.....
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straightuptalker
What ever happened to common sense?
06:06 AM on 03/15/2012
"British Columbia's governing Liberals are floating a controversial idea to put welfare recipients to work: train them and ship them north"

Retraining provide transportation, ship them north, and be able to survive in a "winter" community. This whole idea sounds suspiciously like purging society of its lower classes so they can wash their hands of the problem. On the up side, Australia had its beginnings as a Penal Colony where everybody sent their "undesirables" and criminals as a way of purging their own societies.
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scratchingmyhead
08:40 AM on 03/15/2012
they have quality man camps up there. i know an electrician that was being flown on the company dime back & forth from ontario to fort mcmurry. it worked well for him. great money. he only stopped doing it because he got into a local union & is making good money in the area.
05:06 AM on 03/15/2012
Training in what exactly? Flipping burgers?
Welfare recipients are on welfare because they cannot hold down a job due to a number of reasons. Sheesh, who would volunteer to be on such a path as to be on welfare? Hmmm? Are the incompetent Liberals admitting that there are no jobs for anyone in southern BC? There are only jobs in the north? I thought that Christy the brave has created so many jobs, over 40,000 since she took office?
This article should provide some welfare statistics along with it. Who is on welfare, why and where. I have no faith in this government to do the right thing when it comes to the citizens of this province. They have had 11 years in power and have shown us that they are all just puppy kickers and are a bunch of self interested a**holes. They hate people. But according to some here thats OK, it's just mandatory. LOL.
07:21 AM on 03/15/2012
Could be worse...the NDP could have power
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scratchingmyhead
08:44 AM on 03/15/2012
good point. if they're not learning industry skills (welding, oxyburning, equipment operating, ect.) this is a waste. training people to flip burgers or work a cash register is not worth it. couldn't imagine moving out west to work for timmies.
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Gathled
I am an extreme moderate...
04:38 AM on 03/15/2012
I recently lost my job... I am desperate to get up north. I got my H2S , I am ready to go... Can't find a job...
06:42 AM on 03/15/2012
Also need EMP Leval 1, most companies will put you through the rest, a clean drivers abstract, able to pass a drug test is pretty much manditory., Thus the problem. At 45, in the patch for better then 20 nof them, driving for damn near 30years now, some folks, specially for down south, cant handle the work, hours,or the weather. Stay home, less you want to freeze, work 12-50+hrs str8.( my longest is 78hrs) I personaly, will not hire anyone from southeren BC, been there, done that. spend too much in training an courses, then it gets -20, they run home. Not all, but most do.Sorry Christy, aint gonna work, nice try, but,..we do want,or need that crap up here.
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scratchingmyhead
08:46 AM on 03/15/2012
oh. your working up there? do you know if these jobs in the article are quality industrial jobs or are they just trying to fill the timmies w/this program?
04:15 AM on 03/15/2012
Segregation is somthing that has stained the past, why would we just keep repeating the same mistakes?
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Another Pesky Canadian
Talk - action = 0
07:17 AM on 03/15/2012
Not " we ", it's the Libs that are floating this desperate "idea du jour".
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canobserv
09:04 AM on 03/15/2012
those people in government n BC are NOT Liberals......
11:35 AM on 03/15/2012
It is not segregation. It's offering a career path.