Anonymous: Vic Toews Videos Nearly Impossible To Track, MPs Told

First Posted: 03/15/2012 4:07 pm Updated: 03/16/2012 9:22 am

Anonymous Vic Toews Videos
Tracking Anonymous for their videos targeting Vic Toews will be a waste of time, MPs have been told. (CP/Getty Images)

OTTAWA - House of Commons technicians went on alert after online threats were made against Public Safety Minister Vic Toews; they even checked to ensure the menacing videos weren't coming from Parliament Hill.

But it's no use trying to track down the culprits responsible, the clerk of the Commons told a committee of MPs on Thursday.

The attacks were "unprecedented" as they came from an unknown group and there may be little to be gained from trying to figure out who is behind them, clerk Audrey O'Brien said.

"I'm not sure that seeking out a culprit as such wouldn't be a giant waste of time, because I think the nature of these attacks is that they are extremely fluid," she said.

The activist collective Anonymous claimed responsibility for a series of videos posted online last month digging into Toews' personal life and promising further attacks if he didn't kill a recently introduced online surveillance bill.

The bill has riled critics who fear it's far too intrusive and has inspired a number of online-campaigns aimed at Toews as a result.

One of those campaigns, a Twitter account that shared details of Toews' divorce, was eventually linked to a Liberal party staffer, who then resigned.

While Toews referred some of the threats against him to the RCMP, he also complained to the Speaker of the House of Commons.

Speaker Andrew Scheer ruled the threats violated Toews' privilege, leaving it up to the committee on House affairs to figure out who was behind them and what to do about it.

The committee wrestled with the issue on Thursday.

"There is no way this committee has the ability to identify the culprit," said NDP Joe Comartin

"It's going to have to be done by someone else."

It's not impossible to track down members of Anonymous.

Five were charged earlier this month in connection with attacks against government agencies and private companies in U.S., Mexico and Europe, although they were outed by one of their own.

The police need to try and find the culprits in the Toews case too, said Tory MP Laurie Hawn.

"(Anonymous) are like the Taliban, we will never run out of them, they are always going to be there," he said.

"But I think any chance we get to track one down and make an example, we should do that and I hope they are proceeding with that."

O'Brien suggested MPs could issue a formal statement on the problem.

"I think that a statement to that effect would say that you as members of Parliament take what comes with the territory of your job, you're willing to be attack on your political positions, but once the line in the sand is crossed and personal threats are uttered, that's unacceptable," she said.

"I know this would be an obvious statement, but I think that it's important that everybody come together around this fact."

In the meantime, MPs also used the hearing to ask the House of Commons' chief information officer about technology security.

Louis Bard said that when the attacks against Toews first surfaced, monitoring of online threats against Parliament was increased and overall IT security of the Hill is reviewed on a daily basis.

Bard said 70 per cent of the email sent to Parliament Hill never makes it through because it's either spam or improperly addressed.

It's also common for MPs to have their laptops and or their caucus servers infected by viruses or be the subject of an attack, he said, but the attackers have never gone far.

"Never in the last 19 years, we've lost access to our network," Bard said.

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  • What's In Online-Snooping Bill

    Like similar legislation introduced in the past by both Conservative and Liberal governments, the new bill includes provisions that would: <em>With files from CBC</em> (Shutterstock)

  • Warantless Online Info

    Require telecommunications and internet providers to give subscriber data to police, national security agencies and the Competition Bureau without a warrant, including names, phone numbers and IP addresses. (CP)

  • Back Door Access

    Force internet providers and other makers of technology to provide a "back door" to make communications accessible to police. (Getty)

  • Location, Location, Location

    Allow police to get warrants to obtain information transmitted over the internet and data related to its transmission, including locations of individuals and transactions. (Alamy)

  • Preserve Data

    Allow courts to compel other parties to preserve electronic evidence. (Alamy)

  • New Bill Is Different

    However, unlike the most recent previous version of the bill, the new legislation: (Alamy)

  • Less Data

    Requires telecommunications providers to disclose, without a warrant, just six types of identifiers from subscriber data instead of 11. (Alamy)

  • Oversight

    Provides for an internal audit of warrantless requests that will go to a government minister and oversight review body. Minister of Public Safety Vic Toews is pictured. (CP)

  • Review After 5 Years

    Includes a provision for a review after five years. (Alamy)

  • More Time To Implement

    Allows telecommunications service providers to take 18 months instead of 12 months to buy equipment that would allow police to intercept communications. (Alamy)

  • Expanded Definitions

    Changes the definition of hate propaganda to include communication targeting sex, age and gender. (Alamy)

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xphilosoph
Almost nothing is actually impossible.
10:53 AM on 03/19/2012
The Canadian government's internet regulation and surveillance bill mirrors what is being done in America by the NSA, well outlined in this article:
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/

By including warrant less searches and backdoor access to all electronic communications, this allows for ongoing monitoring of ALL electronic communications.

The simple fact of the volume and increasing encryption of such communications data means that the government will require a similar facilities to that of the NSA (see the article).

This means Canada either builds its own facilities (very expensive) or has the Americans process and store the data for them for a modest incremental cost.

What do you want to bet that Canada is or will soon be outsourcing this to the Americans and the NSA?
Dinsdale Pirahna
"lookin' out the 'ole in the wall"
11:38 PM on 03/18/2012
"...The police need to try and find the culprits in the Toews case too, said Tory MP Laurie Hawn..."

Vic wants to waste money on this investigation, affecting only him, when the info is on line for all to see, and true - but his government doesn't want to call an inquiry into voter suppression calls that affect the whole country and if true, ARE illegal. Suck it up Vic. You made your own bed... well... maybe the babysitter did, but your priorities are definitely skewed.

http://www2.canada.com/story.html?id=6298812
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dbrett480
04:15 PM on 03/18/2012
So let me get this straight; Anonymous thinks it's okay for people to have child pornography, but not okay to get information about Canadian politicians?
09:06 AM on 03/18/2012
The whole thing smells bad. Anonymous exposes dirty secrets of government officials in order to protect their right to be secretive. The government wants to enact a bill so that they can expose the secrets of everyone, including Anonymous without probable cause. Both of these groups are trying to hold on to the power to intimidate and control.
Anonymous is not 'Robin Hood', they called themselves 'Legion'. This is reference to a large group of demons inhabiting the body of a man in the New Testament, the Lord cast them out into a herd of swine which then ran off a cliff and died. "They do not forgive, they do not forget" this is the moral imperative of a bunch of vengeful monsters who threaten and choose to make public people's personal lives in an effort to control them through embarrassment.
The Canadian government is trying to do the same thing via law to expose the personal lives of people in an effort to find some reason as to why the government can further treat the people like criminals or at least make us feels like our opinion is of less importance because of our past. They also are saying that they 'do not forgive, not do they forget'.
If you want to be a part of a movement, try choosing one that cares about others. You want to make a difference in your country, try being a part of the legislative process.
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Tyler Austin
Women = people. Corperations ≠ people.
02:00 PM on 03/16/2012
they even checked to ensure the menacing videos weren't coming from Parliament Hill.
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BTW why was my post that explained how the Taliban is nothing like Anonymous deleted?
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littlestar
What is life without dessert?
11:49 AM on 03/16/2012
I love the irony of what Anonymous has done. Toews and the Cons want to spy on Canadians, and yet when Anonymous spies on Toews and shows him just how intrusive it is on our civil liberties, he is outraged. Um hello! You can't expect to spy on people and then not be spied upon yourself! The sad part is, I don't think he even understands the lesson Anonymous was trying to teach him. Like every old well-off male politician, he claims outrage that HIS civil liberties were infringed upon, and then pretends to know what is best for us, the citizens of Canada. Whether you agree with their practises or not, I seriously think that at the heart of it, Anonymous is truly trying to protect our base rights. I look forward to seeing what they do in the future.
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chuck nathaniel
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09:39 PM on 03/16/2012
Point of clarity: "Anonymous' did not 'spy' on Toews. "They" posted information from the public domain. It was info available to anyone with access to teh google.
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littlestar
What is life without dessert?
12:23 AM on 03/17/2012
Oh for Pete's sake. You missed the whole point of what I was trying to say.

It's spelled "the", not "teh".
11:24 AM on 03/16/2012
The internet is a big place Vic... good luck finding that needle
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contest d
11:07 AM on 03/16/2012
"But I think any chance we get to track one down and make an example, we should do that and I hope they are proceeding with that."

Yes, an example to piss off a bunch more on the sidelines... is Afghanistan already such a distant memory?
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Brent Millar
When the going gets weird, the weird turn Pro
10:50 AM on 03/16/2012
Somebody get Toews a Whambulance.

Sleeps with a babysitter and then gets divorced and he's treating that leak like it's a State secret.

Quit wasting our tax money on this witch hunt.

Why are they putting such effort into this and NOT calling an inquiry into Electoral Fraud?
Seems strange. Vic Toews secrets are more important to the "Harper Government" than our democracy?
Strange set of priorities these folks have...
09:09 AM on 03/16/2012
We will not stand for the murder of one of the strongest democracies on the planet.
We will Bow to no King.

We are anonymous
We are Legion
We do not forgive
We do not forget
Expect us.
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chuck nathaniel
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09:40 PM on 03/16/2012
"one of the strongest democracies"

Israel?
08:15 AM on 03/16/2012
"(Anonymous) are like the Taliban, we will never run out of them, they are always going to be there," he said.

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Well so are our politicians. The voting public has a right to decide if you are suitable or not. Perhaps we don't want someone who puts their pickle in every jar out there and then claims to have the morals of a saint? If you decide that you want to serve the public, and are paid handsomely to boot, well then your CV matters to us. Gee, when will personal responsibility come into this Vic?
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Steve Lives
The Venus Project ... look it up
11:59 PM on 03/15/2012
Vic is just po'd that we all see what a piece of dirt he is. And he ran on a family ticket, for shame.
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piceaglauca
The picture says it all....
11:14 PM on 03/15/2012
Fantastic. Keep the info coming.
10:45 PM on 03/15/2012
I don't see where Anonymous has committed a crime. Exposing the sordid details of Vic Toews' personal life is not a criminal act. Nor, in Canada, is objecting to bad legislation, at least, not yet.
10:42 PM on 03/15/2012
Your Kung Fu is better than our Kung Fu