Canadian Homebuyers Getting Priced Out Of Market

First Posted: 03/15/2012 7:50 am Updated: 03/16/2012 2:37 pm


Overseas investors are snapping up properties in Canada's largest cities, driving up prices and pushing ordinary Canadians out of the housing market, observers say.


Real estate experts call it the "new reality," and the high price paid for a north Toronto bungalow is the latest evidence.


This month, the three-bedroom bungalow, circa the 1960s and without much updating, sold for $421,800 over the asking price, creating a buzz among agents and other buyers.


Located in Willowdale, where similar detached houses typically sell for just short of $900,000, the bungalow at 300 Dudley Ave. was listed at $759,000.


The winning bid of $1,180,800 came from a university student whose parents live in China and own a business in San Francisco. There were four other bids of more than $1 million.


"The initial response was quite vociferous," said Michael Adelson, a Re/Max agent who represented the seller and received several phone calls about the deal after it was done.


"There's a lot of anger among Canadians who earn money here that they've been priced out of the market. There is some degree of anxiety about how people are going to compete with these hyper-inflated prices."


'Outrageous and borderline bizarre'


Adelson declined to discuss the specifics of the Willowdale deal, citing client confidentiality.


But CBC business commentator Michael Hlinka called the deal "outrageous and borderline bizarre."


The strong reaction to the price likely stems from how it changes the vision of affordability for average Canadians, he said.


Property markets in other large cities, such as Vancouver and Calgary, are undergoing similar pricing shocks, he said.


“We’re looking at this through a prism of our expectations growing up in Canada in the 1950s, '60s and '70s, when part of the Canadian dream was that you would own your own single-family home," Hlinka said. "But as Canada matures, we’re going to be looking at a new reality, where that may be out of reach. And I don’t think you can turn back the clock.”


Toronto real estate mogul Brad Lamb said Canadians' home-buying expectations have to change, but he doesn't believe that overseas investors are to blame.


The scarcity of the product — in this case, single detached homes — is key, he said. And as the Toronto population grows and land available for new houses becomes scarce, the competition for these homes will become even more intense.


Condos are the alternative. Already, they're the norm for families wanting to live in the central cores of cities such as New York and Chicago, said Lamb, who is a condo developer.


"It's an illusion for people to think they can live in downtown Toronto in a detached home and not be wealthy," Lamb said. "Ordinary people can't live in central London or central Paris or central New York.


"If you want to live in central Toronto, you're going to have to live in a condo or be a millionaire. That's the reality. ... It's not a bad thing. It's the way cities evolve."


No Canadian statistics


Unlike in the U.S., the Canadian government does not keep track of the number of properties bought by non-residents.


"I'd love to have those numbers but we don't keep them. You'd have to ask the government of Canada why not," said Cameron Muir, chief economist of the British Columbia Real Estate Association.


However, through analysis and digging up proxies, he said only about two per cent of home sales in Metro Vancouver are to non-resident buyers.


"This idea that we have this rampant foreign ownership going on and this horde of Chinese investors coming over is a little bit of an urban myth."


Muir said there may be some confusion in the public's mind about who is a foreign investor and who is actually a landed immigrant.


He points out that prior to December 2010, investor class immigrants were admitted to Canada provided they could show a net worth of at least $800,000 and deposit another $400,000 with the federal government, which they would get back (interest-free) after five years.


Many of those immigrants are now getting their deposits back, said Muir, adding that B.C. gets over half of all such immigrants to Canada.


"Half a billion dollars is coming back into the pockets of investors and anecdotally you're probably seeing that money being invested into real estate."


Inflated prices, such as the price fetched by the Willowdale bungalow, do make it difficult for ordinary Canadians to get into the market, no matter who buys the house, said Steve Matthews, a Re/Max agent in north Toronto.


"It skews the market. How does Joe Normal compete with that" [price], said Matthews.


"Now, the person who lives next door and the person who lives down the street think they should get that price, too. It also generates resentment because it makes it tougher for everyone — buyers, agents, banks — so there is a ripple effect that goes beyond the immediate sale."


Foreign students drive market


As more people get exposure to Canada as an offshoot of globalization, the overseas investor market will rise, Hlinka said. As an instructor at George Brown College in Toronto, he has seen an explosion in the number of foreign students.


“When their parents come to visit, they get an idea of what real estate costs here, and they can’t believe how cheap it is. They want to buy because they think it’s a bargain.”


In addition to China, investors pouring money into real estate are flocking to Canada from the Middle East, Korea, Russia, India and the Philippines as well, said Tony Ma, who owns HomeLife Landmark Realty in Markham.


About 65 per cent of Ma’s agents are Chinese and the bulk of his business comes from Chinese clients. Most are new immigrants to Canada, but about 20 per cent are foreign investors, including parents overseas who buy on behalf of their children studying in this country.


Fewer than five per cent are pure investors with no ties to Canada, said Ma, a former neurosurgeon who moved to Toronto from Zhengzhou, China, in 1998.


"Most of our buyers are part of Canadian culture. I don’t think they are going to push local Canadian people out of the market. When immigrants come to Canada today, they have money, not like when I came to Canada 20 years ago. I didn’t have money."


Last year, buoyed by his strong ties to the mainland China market, Ma’s agency sold 263 homes priced at more than $1 million, with about 40 per cent of those being all-cash deals with no conditions attached.


Chinese drawn to Canada


Canada’s stable government and banking system and the relatively low prices draw investors, he said, pointing out that while condos in downtown Toronto can sell for $800 per square foot, in Beijing, the price is $2,000 per square foot and in Hong Kong it's double that.


Moreover, to control prices, the Chinese government allows each family there to bank finance only two properties — one to live in and one to invest in — and buyers must pay 100 per cent cash for anything above the two-property limit, Ma said.


Not only are prices in Canada more affordable, homes and condos are a better value proposition, since they come ready to move into, unlike in China, where buyers get a concrete shell they have to pay to finish, he said.


“So they see an $8 million house here, they see the quality, they see the finishes and they think it’s cheap," Ma said. "They can move in today.”


Vancouver tops the list with Chinese investors because of the city’s temperate climate and proximity to their homeland, he added.


Janet Sinclair of Re/Max Hallmark Realty Ltd. in the Beaches neighbourhood of Toronto, routinely deals with foreign investors.


“They have driven prices up," she said. "Whenever we launch a new condo downtown we get a number of Hong Kong investors and a lot of people coming over from England. People want to put their money in Canadian real estate because they think it’s safe.”


Sinclair recently dealt with a Hong Kong investor representing a dozen buyers, who happened to be family members from back home. They snapped up units in a new waterfront condo building and are now interested in another project in the Beaches.


She also recently sold a penthouse condo in downtown Toronto to Swiss investors for $1.25 million.


“They didn’t bat an eye at the price. They said in comparison to what they pay in Switzerland, these prices are nothing. Our prices are not scaring them at all."


Builders tearing down old houses


The Willowdale buyer who paid the premium price is stinging from the negative reaction to the sale and declined to be interviewed.


Adelson said the Yonge Street corridor between Highway 401 and Finch Avenue is in demand because of the subway and its proximity to York University and Seneca College. Along with a thriving retail strip and a planned new Whole Foods, 10 new condominium projects are in the works.


The area is a magnet for certain ethnic groups, including people from the Middle East and China, Adelson said.


"It's a cultural thing. Their communities are already there. If you go down to the Danforth, their stores are not there, so that's not as attractive a location for them."


The area is also rife with redevelopment as builders tear down older homes and replace them with monster houses or two smaller units.


That’s just what a buyer from China, who recently bought a tear-down bungalow in the area for $720,000, plans to do, said Al Sinclair, the Hallmark Realty sales representative who sold him the property.


The buyer became familiar with the area through visiting his daughter, a doctor who lives there. He plans to rent out the house for two years until his building plans are approved, then tear it down and build several townhouse units.


“He thinks the Toronto real estate market has a long way to go," Sinclair said. "He’s right."


Only pockets of Toronto are of interest to overseas investors, including North York and the downtown core and not areas like Leslieville in the east end, Adelson said. Although that neighbourhood is considererd hot and the property values are rising, it has not experienced the overheated bidding wars seen farther north.


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05:36 PM on 04/15/2012
Funny to read " when I came to this country I did not have money " is he saying we are now immigrants in our own countries, where we are going to get pushed out in order to afford something.

Maybe we the cycle will mean extended families will have to purchase together and save, like they did, back in the immigration days of my parents ( 1950 ).

I did note in Richmond Hill, there is an infusion of Iranian oil money driving up pricing with the new owners not interested in living in the house. They'll rent it out ( 1.3 million dollar rental unit ?? )

But let us not forget, that when japan was buying up the US in the 80's and driving costs up, that to ended with ferocious consequences for their investment.. Maybe that cycle will be repeated and when it does, have some cash to buy at a 50% or better discount.
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02:55 AM on 03/16/2012
I've been watching Million Dollar Listing.  Lots of "foreign buyers".
09:32 PM on 03/15/2012
Gov needs to put at least a 5 year stop on Anyone not Canadian citizen then you can't buy a house here. And if your not a citizen and own property her then you be forced to sell.
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02:55 PM on 03/15/2012
My parents came to Canada from South Africa 30 years ago. Toronto weren't diverse as today.
My mother bought a home working as a real estate agent in east end of Scaborough for about $120,000. Now my kids can't even dream of owning a home when they turn 20 years in about 9 years. My wife is Japanese and I have visited Japan few times. I never thought in my lifetime house prices would become similar to the asian Market. I'm sick of listening to our leaders selling us out to Chinese. I moved away from Scarborough long ago. I want my kids to grow up in a diverse community but now there are 80% of the kids in my kids class are Chinease and they speak Chinease in class rooms. My kids come home and regurgitated chinease words font of me then laugh.

In the long run our Canadian culture have no place in our own country. I came from an east indian background but my grand parents left their baggage at their door step when they came to Canada.
They adapted the culture here. It's a simple respect don't shit on the hands that feed you. I hope every new immigrant will learn to preserve the way of life in this country once they arrives.
07:05 PM on 03/15/2012
I don't understand why the recentment only towards the Chinese. You should move to Brampton instead where 80% are east Indians instead of the 80 percent Chinese! Canada is a diverse country but it's our human nature that brings us with similar background together, hence we have greek town, punjabi town on gerrard, chinatown, koran town, and the caribean countries congregate at eglinton and dufferin area. If you happened to live by a Chinese neigbourhood then you have to expect your kids be going to school with them.

Its not only Chinese who don't leave their background when they come into Canada. You see a lot of middle easter or even Indians still bear their homeland everyday even in the generation born here.

Home prices are up and nothing is going to change that fact. I don't think foreign investment is the problem here. Sure they over paided a ridiculous price on a home but how many times it happened? The only problem is that a foreign investor not looking at my property.
10:49 PM on 03/17/2012
I started off reading your comment thinking it was fair assessment and reflective of the general concensus on housing affordability in Canada until you took a nasty U-turn and made it racially charged and bigotery. What is "selling out"? are immigrants not allowed to retain their own language and culture? What are you teaching your kids? too many chinese means the erosion of canadian diversity and culture???
While we can't control individual oponions and thoughts, it's something else entirely different when you choose to bring your own personal opinion that's laced with racial discrimination and hate against one particular race into an open forum. Is this how we build an inclusive community for our immigrant families? Is this part of your definition of the Canadian culture??? Shame on you.
05:42 PM on 04/15/2012
Is there a difference in European immigration from the 50;s to immigration from places like India, China, phillipines. Is it that they have such a large population and "closed" society that it somehow doesn't get absorbed like the Euro's easily did.

Don't get me wrong, there was always some resentment. Its a perplexing problem since we insist they come here with wealth. How they get it matters not, its that they come here with more than the local population has and leapfrogs them without allowing time for absorption.
02:51 PM on 03/15/2012
the 1% run the harper government, too.
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02:46 PM on 03/15/2012
A sad state of affairs. The 1% win the 99% fight over the scraps. All you hear is get rid of the unions because decent wages and working conditions stifle competition. We have to compete with those dollar an hour wages overseas now. It's a race to the bottom for the vast majority while the rich keep getting richer. Meanwhile we are headed for a fall with the overheated housing market which we have already seen happen in the US but we seem to have learned nothing from that fiasco. This could end very badly for most folks.
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04:15 PM on 03/15/2012
The good news is that Chinese factories are incredibly inefficient compared to North American ones. A worker in China may be paid $1.00 an hour, but their productive throughput sits are about $1.09. Compare this with a factory worker here: they may paid $20.00 an hour, average, but their productivity per hour is around $75. So some things will always be more efficiently produced here. Mostly more expensive goods.
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05:40 PM on 03/15/2012
Well that sounds a positive note. There seems to be precious little positive news on the economic front these days. I guess your attitude is shown under your screen name. Can you tell me how to put the words under the screen name the way you have "Hope is better than despair". F&F
01:57 PM on 03/15/2012
It all comes together. Loss of Canadian sovereignty, low corporate tax rates, Chinese and foreign ownership of resource companies, a nation of the 1% for the 1%, Canada is a complete sell-out from the local homeowner right to the top of corporate ladder all the way over to Harper, who is actively engaged in turning Canada into one of the main military proxies of the US.

It's time to get out of the country, because it is rapidly dissolving into a cesspool of ultra-competetive, greed-focused, hard-right political environment, with possiblity of turning locals that remain into a new slave class like China and a socially dependent welfare state for the rest.
01:42 PM on 03/15/2012
The majority of house prices go maximum what the payments can handle. With the false low interest rate people have purchased what ever they could at whatever the price as long as their two jobs would cover the payment. Typical payment may be 2500 month but let the interest rate get to 10% plus and the payments go to 4500 month. Thats when the bubble bursts. Houses by the hundreds are taken away. People give them back because value drops in half. Prices go down to where ever they sell and in that market you can't give one away. This is not pessimistic it happens. In 1981 when interest rates went extreme people were selling new houses for $1 plus take over mortgage to try and save their credit rating. Even the $1 did not help sell the house. The US are still recovering from a credit crisis with the housing market and for $100,00 you buy a near new house in some citys.
01:52 PM on 03/15/2012
Aren't we cheerful today.
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02:54 PM on 03/15/2012
But he's not wrong. When I got my mortgage, I made sure that I could still afford it if the rates doubled at next renewal. In essence, I only used half of my buying power becasue I know that these low rates won't last forever.
04:11 PM on 03/15/2012
In 1981 and in 1989 we didn't have hoardes of rich chinese investors waiting to scoop up homes and boot regular canadians out of the market. The reality is not your example. Interest rates do not effect these buyers only regular canadians who need a home to live in. There is no way to stop this from happening bend over if you haven't already purchased a home. Regardless of the US crisis the reality is people want to buy houses here, not Detroit. Demand by non canadians will drive the prices 2 and 3 times higher in the coming years.
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01:31 PM on 03/15/2012
"If you want to live in central Toronto, you're going to have to live in a condo or be a millionaire. That's the reality. ... It's not a bad thing. It's the way cities evolve."

YO! The 1960's vintage $1.2MM Willowdale bungalow cited in this story is NOT in central Toronto - not even close to central Toronto.
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Tony Pepperoni
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01:42 PM on 03/15/2012
Exactly. It is the same around Vancouver. You have to drive 500 km to get out of the high priced properties.
05:53 PM on 04/15/2012
Yet it was downtowns that allowed immigrants their first foothold to allow them to save then move to a different neighborhood allowing the next group to move in. I guess thats done.
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01:14 PM on 03/15/2012
They're not happy enough that the economy is being supported they are making it a race issue. You know those awful foreigners and those Chinese look different right? Right.. This is propaganda spread usually by the incompetent Government of the day.On one hand they say they want the students because they are really boosting the housing market just like they did in Australia too,then on the other they criticize them or "rip them off" at every point. If you want a closed economy close your borders. Simple.
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Tony Pepperoni
Where did all the good Republicans go?
01:43 PM on 03/15/2012
Sorry, but in Vancouver Chinese do not look "different", they look like Vancouverites.
10:52 PM on 03/17/2012
and so your point is??
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Peacefrogg
01:59 PM on 03/15/2012
This isn't a race issue, this is a Canadian crisis in the making, put away your race cards and get in with the program.
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01:01 PM on 03/15/2012
Thats cool, because the Canadians are in trun buying up real estate in South Florida, Tres bien!
03:51 PM on 03/15/2012
This is true. When the U.S. housing market was going bust, I know a lot of Canadians going down to Florida and buying up homes.
ChrisH75
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12:57 PM on 03/15/2012
I refuse to raise my family in a condo. I grew up in the west-island of Montreal and now live west of the west island. People who want space will simply drive until they can afford to buy. When i lived in Vancouver, many of my co-workers who wanted homes lived in Abbottford, more than 1.5 hours away in traffic. some people will not accept to live in condos. Retail businesses and employers will follow suit as well. I hardly ever have to actually go into downtown anymore. Everything I want and need are in the surrounding communities now, including my job.
05:55 PM on 04/15/2012
Same for New Yorkers who work in manhattan, they take 2 hour each way train rides.
12:52 PM on 03/15/2012
I wish I had the luxury of worrying about the price of purchasing a house. I will likely be crippled by student debt and stagnating wages for many years to come. I never should have gone to university and that error in judgement will keep me out of the housing market. This is just one more in a long list of reasons I do not anticipate I will ever own property.
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02:01 PM on 03/15/2012
Going to University was an investment in your future and you should be proud of it, i am a firm believer that Canadian kids should not be paying for College or University educations, of course there would have to be some pretty tight rules in place, but if you make the grade more power to you.
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02:40 PM on 03/15/2012
My grandkids can use their BA or BSc to get that prized position at Starbucks.
05:05 PM on 03/15/2012
Sorry going to university has destroyed my future and not been a wise investment at all. It has been a money pit I have yet to climb out of. My masters in biochemistry is worse than useless. I would have been far better off going into a trade. I am so crippled with debt I will never own much of anything and I am resentful of all those counselors and advisers that encouraged higher education in the sciences. This is not the right country for it. Please do not advise people to pursue an education at university, unless you are willing to foot the bill. If I could go back in time and be trained in a trade I would.
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12:49 PM on 03/15/2012
But things are perfect in Canada? Just like the people?
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12:23 PM on 03/15/2012
This has been happening in Vancouver since the early '90s. Now it's happening in Toronto and it makes national news.

I hate to say it but I'm thinking there should be a requirement of citizenship to own a residential property in Canada. Otherwise ordinary Canadians really will be left out in the cold. Literally.

It is absolutely appalling that someone should sit there and say that we have to adjust our expectations for what is, really, a normal life. That man is greedy.

But greed seems to be the order of the day in the 21st Century. So far. So I don't think we'll see our gutless governments take any action to stabilize the markets.

I welcome our new shanty towns... it'll be so "world-class."
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02:29 PM on 03/15/2012
I agree that there should be a requirement of citizenship to own a residential property in Canada. I see no other solution to this problem.
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02:39 PM on 03/15/2012
I have a very high degree of certainty that if you landed in Beijing with a suitcase full of money and tried to buy a house some government official would say "papers please" and send you packing. I believe it is a successful action to manage this kind of market because in the long run it's very beneficial for the citizens.