Misleading Robocalls Went To Voters ID'd As Non-Tories

First Posted: 03/15/2012 10:27 pm Updated: 05/15/2012 5:12 am


An investigation by CBC News has turned up voters all over Canada who say the reason they got robocalls sending them to fictitious polling stations was that they'd revealed they would not vote Conservative.


Although the Conservative Party has denied any involvement in the calls, these new details suggest that the misleading calls relied on data gathered by, and carefully guarded by, the Conservative Party.


Chief Electoral Officer Marc Mayrand announced Thursday that he now has "over 700 Canadians from across the country" who allege "specific circumstances" of fraudulent or improper calls. CBC News examined 31 ridings where such calls have been reported and found a pattern: those receiving those calls also had previous calls from the Conservative Party to find out which way they would vote.


Tim McCoy of the riding of Ottawa-Vanier was one of those who complained to Elections Canada. He received a bogus recorded message pretending to be from Elections Canada — but he also had two previous calls from the Conservatives.


"They did call me back from the Conservative Association and ask if they could count on my support," said McCoy, who declined to pledge his vote. He thinks that's why someone tried to mislead him.


"It looks like a hijacking of the democratic process," he added. "I would like to know who made the call pretending to be from Elections Canada and I don't really care which way the finger points. I would like to know."


Elections Canada says it never calls voters at all. However, it is only now emerging that calls impersonating Elections Canada followed previous calls by Conservative workers asking which way voters were leaning. That suggests that the "Elections Canada" calls, which are illegal, came from people with access to data gathered by the Conservative Party, which carefully controls access to it.


Asked about that, party spokesman Fred Delorey had no comment and declined an interview.


Election day calls


The pattern of legitimate so-called "Voter ID" calls, followed by bogus "Elections Canada" calls, occurs in ridings across the country.


Charles Cochrane of Saint John, N.B., made it very clear to the Conservatives that they did not have his vote. Then, on election day, he said, "The phone rang and it was a recorded message. This is Elections Canada calling, your polling station has now changed." He checked. It had not changed.


From the outset, the Conservative Party leadership has insisted it had no involvement in these calls.


"The Conservative party can say absolutely, definitively, it has no role in any of this," said Prime Minister Stephen Harper. His parliamentary secretary, Dean Del Mastro, calls claims to the contrary "baseless smears."


However, opposition leaders say the scheme could never have gone forward without callers having access to the Conservatives' proprietary database on voter intentions. Known as "CIMS," the database assigns a "smiley" face to supporters, and a "sad" face to non-Conservatives. Liberal and NDP politicians say it would make no sense to call randomly, since many of the voters misled would be Conservatives.


"Who had access to the database? Who wrote the scripts?" asked the NDP's Charlie Angus in question period Thursday. He did not receive an answer.


Lori Bruce of Fredericton thinks she has a good idea. She said the Conservatives knew she was not a supporter, and called her more than once — even identifying themselves while misdirecting her to the wrong polling station.


Bruce said she received a call stating that it was "on behalf of Stephen Harper and Keith Ashfield for the Conservative party."


"At that point, he told me that my voting location had changed. I, at that point, said no, it's at the same location it always is."


Bruce then Googled the caller's number and found out it was the Conservative campaign office. Still, she wanted to be sure.


"I called the number back," she says, "and I just got an answering machine message, saying thank you for calling the Conservative Party."


Peggy Walsh Craig of North Bay, Ont., told a similar story — but received two separate calls.


"The first one was a few weeks before the election and it simply asked me one question and that was, was I going to vote for the Conservative Party — and I indicated no."


Only later did she get an anonymous second call, she said.


'Polling stations have changed'


"That was, it was Elections Canada calling and that they — due to higher than anticipated voter turnout, the polling station had been changed."


Once again, it hadn't changed at all. The same thing happened to Astrid Dimond of Mission, B.C.


Dimond said a caller told her that, "We're just phoning to let you know that the polling stations have changed."


Dimond knew better.


"And I said, no they haven't, and I hung up on her."


Dimond added that she tracked the call back to its source. The misleading call "came from the same number that all the other calls had come from, which I found out was the Conservative Party."


CBC News came up with many voters with similar complaints, including Saj Aziz in the riding of Mississauga-Streetsville, Carmen Leveille in Victoria, Gordon Webb in Guelph, May Beland in Willowdale and Susan Lapell in the Toronto riding of St. Paul's.


Aziz said a "research company" tried to find out who he was voting for as part of an "independent poll." When he declined to commit to the Conservatives, he was told that "a supervisor" would call him back. Then, he got a call from the Conservative party, trying to win him over. When that didn't work, he finally got a call saying that his polling station had moved. However, he'd already voted in the advance poll, at the right place.


In Guelph — where the robo-call scandal began — Gordon Webb says he made it clear to the Conservatives that he would not vote for them. He, too, got a misdirection call telling him to go to a phoney polling station. At least a hundred people showed up there and some of them angrily gave up on voting, blaming Elections Canada.


As for the next step, all of these voters say they want Elections Canada to get to the bottom of it.


"There definitely should be punishment," said Lori Bruce of Fredericton. "They should be punished to the fullest extent of the law."


In North Bay, where the Liberals lost by just 18 votes, Peggy Walsh Craig said, "I care a lot about democracy and so I'm appalled that this is happening."


"It raises enough questions that it makes me wonder about the results here."


Map: Complaints in 31 ridings


Complaints of misleading phone calls directing voters to incorrect polling stations on election day last spring have arisen in at least 31 ridings across Canada. Many of them, from opposition politicians and from independent voters, involved automated calls claiming to be from Elections Canada.


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11:42 AM on 03/18/2012
This must be illegal. The perpetrators should be prosecuted, and the current government should be impeached and their damage undone, by repealing any bills they might have passed using their influence, and eliminating any that are currently in the process of being written and considered. We need to start from square one.
05:06 PM on 03/17/2012
Conservatives did this. Proof is in the pudding.
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Michael747
02:44 PM on 03/17/2012
So is Huffpost engaging in social engineering? There are several threads missing?
08:10 PM on 03/17/2012
Teenage volunteer Thai moderators run amok.
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southingtonian
"I'm a Capricorn and you can't make me do sh*t.."
02:14 AM on 03/17/2012
If someone calls YOU, asking that question, remind them that there's a reason why it's a secret ballot, and they'll learn of the voters' will after the official count.
01:11 PM on 03/19/2012
And if you refuse to answer, i'm sure they'll treat that as a rejection, and put you into the same pile as those who said no.

I've received these calls before, and i have no problem answering who i'm supporting. Sometimes it's done by the parties, sometimes it's done by the pollsters, there is nothing inherently wrong in the question or the answer. The problem is what the Tory's have done with the answer, and that is voter suppression.
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southingtonian
"I'm a Capricorn and you can't make me do sh*t.."
10:48 PM on 03/19/2012
agreed. Dissembling and misdirection are unconscionable.
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Sirlarek
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11:57 PM on 03/16/2012
It is high time to jail someone for dirty tricks. It is also time to penalize the perpetrating party.

The U of W suspended their football season for steroid use...it is perhaps time to take the noble act and suspend the prime minister and his cabinet and hand the reigns over to a three party coalition until another election can be had to clean up the mess.
08:12 PM on 03/17/2012
Indeed, and Chretien deleted an entire historic military regiment for torturing and murdering a Somali. The punishment for the Christo-Tories should be swift and severe.
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Sirlarek
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12:45 AM on 03/18/2012
Agreed. Chretien sure wasn't perfect...but in matters of political ethics...he showed integrity for the most part.
SamEasy
You really don`t want to know.
10:46 PM on 03/16/2012
Harper is a Republican, cloaked as a conservative and he is bringing Neocons Republican style politics to Canada. The last thing our country needs is to follow the US down the proverbial s**t hole. American politics is as corrupt as any on the planet.
09:28 PM on 03/16/2012
I find it interesting that no one has commented on the widespread allegations of elections fraud for NDP by Tamils in East end of GTA. So we have both CPCs & Liberals involved in Robocalls & NDP in voter fraud. Is everybody missing giant elephant in the room of Election Canada's screw ups and why we're trusting them to investigate. Or I guess Harper is to blame for everything.
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djelimon17
what's this thing for?
10:40 PM on 03/16/2012
What is the penalty for voter fraud as opposed to voter suppression?

But yes the allegations about Tamil voters should be investigated.

Mind you with the current thing we are further along the investigation

As for elections Canada, I've always been advocating an open inquiry a la Gomery for the fraudulent robocalls
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MJinCanada
Safe from zombies until my 2nd cup of coffee
12:03 AM on 03/17/2012
The apparent election fraud in one Toronto riding do need to be investigated.

However, the Liberal robocalls were legitimate campaign calls. Tacky to use an American company, but still legit.

The calls, human and robo, that claimed to be from Elections Canada and misdirected voters, were VERY ILLEGAL. And that is the point of this story.

Be wary of the hippo(crits) and croc(k)s while you're swimming in denial.
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04:54 PM on 03/16/2012
Mr Harper you need to resign, you have lost the faith and trust on the Canadian people.
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Skookum1
truth can't be bought, but lies sure can be sold..
05:20 PM on 03/16/2012
He never had it.
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robertmiller252
05:37 PM on 03/18/2012
He hasn't lost mine.
03:52 PM on 03/16/2012
What pikers. Why don't the cons up that way simply do what we do stateside? Borrow money to give the wealthy big tax cuts, and use a fraction of that saved money to buy street walking supreme court justices, and make the implosion of your society for the wealth aggrandizement of the few? I doubt you will ever get to the point like us, where 6 people from the same family control wealth equal to the lower third of your entire population, but certainly you can move past the juvenile moved-poling place gambit. I have faith in you!
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Skookum1
truth can't be bought, but lies sure can be sold..
04:09 PM on 03/16/2012
Actually my friend there's more concentration of wealth in Canada, in an even fewer number of people, than there is the US. Strange but sadly true.
08:45 AM on 03/17/2012
as a total or percentage?
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William Muller
03:33 PM on 03/16/2012
Totally caught with the hand in the cookie jar but steadfastly continuing the Harper mantra: Deny and deflect.

See the report here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aF09Efidg0w#
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freeSpeakr
I stand on the shoulders of giants
09:08 PM on 03/16/2012
Thanks for posting that. Canadians need to know what they're dealing with.

Then there's these too.
Racknine “Adding final servers for the political super-weapon.” http://goo.gl/biFeU

Front Porch Pres in Fantino's office. http://goo.gl/89TwE

Del Mastro makes robocalls http://goo.gl/JC7e9

And these …

CPC CIMS database
http://tinyurl.com/76ggfly

http://tinyurl.com/84fj9vc

http://tinyurl.com/73s9bk4
08:16 PM on 03/17/2012
Unbelievable. I guess it's pretty clear why the Torys want to be able to spy on us all unhindered by warrants or oversight. Permanent power.
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YankeeCanuck
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03:15 PM on 03/16/2012
Honey I shrunk the vote!
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SkeeBee
Offending InFoxtrination Sufferers With Facts.
02:08 PM on 03/16/2012
"Voters Say They Were Targeted For Declining To Vote Conservative"
Well of COURSE they were!

If you don't willingly, (And blindly), support a party that has utter disdain for your personal rights, civil liberties, and democracies and won't enable that party to enact that agenda:
Of COURSE they have to subvert the democratic process to get their way and deal with you dirty, democracy addicted leftists!
GEEZ!!
Wake Up!!!

The Harper Party is a close study of the ploys and antics of the GOP in the US.
The Frat Boy and his Brain are the archetype for (assumed) King Harper.
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freeSpeakr
I stand on the shoulders of giants
09:10 PM on 03/16/2012
Closer to the US than we imagined …http://thetyee.ca/Mediacheck/2005/11/29/HarperBush/ http://goo.gl/Yy9w
01:49 PM on 03/16/2012
Wow all the con bots must be over at the CBC, we only have two right now, which leaves little option for discourse. As both of them don't ever bring much to the table.
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Skookum1
truth can't be bought, but lies sure can be sold..
02:16 PM on 03/16/2012
Yeah. Considering there's 167 Tory MPs, isn't it interesting that most of them aren't allowed to speak in public? Totally inarticulate with delicate matters, likely to accidentally spill the beans, is my read on that.....just trot out Del Mastro, have him bluster the same thing over and over again no matter what the question is, and keep everyone else muzzled.
03:24 PM on 03/16/2012
I think they all have the religious version of "having their fingers crossed" that the Conservative backbenchers "person hood of a fetus" debate in April will sideline us as it is doing in the States.

What they don't realize is that most Canadians can walk and chew gum at the same time.
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cinderelladressmaker
05:03 PM on 03/16/2012
Couldn't have said it better myself. Our P.M. has got some serious control issues.
Similar to that of a Supreme Leader.
01:47 PM on 03/16/2012
A CBC investigation into robo calls and voter misdirection. You got to be kidding, The only thing the CBC is interested in doing is protecting its broadcasting turf and if they can do anything to stir the political pot against the Conservative government they will do it. Most of their information is probably based on innuendo, best guesses, lefty elitists and other sore losers. Bah--Humbug
08:51 AM on 03/17/2012
Really - than how do they have so many witnesses, more information daily about how deep this ran in Conservative party - can you say Canadian Watergate. Conservatives came in calling every other party corrupt knowing they were the most corrupt. They use Republican strategists, and try to pull off this crap (because their is no Diebolt in Canada as far as I know) and they think the public are raging ignoramuses.

If paying high fees for ad agencies is worth investigation a la Gomery. This will be the scandal of the century - voter suppression - from the religious, freedom family values party.

Cons are going down for a longer dark period than when they were known as Reform. Too bad the country has to pay as well.

I love cons any time they do anything wrong it is a liberal conspiracy.
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robertmiller252
05:41 PM on 03/18/2012
It wasn't just paying high fees to advertising agencies. How about the Liberals awarding contracts and the money was used to hire Liberal operatives to run the election?
09:34 PM on 03/17/2012
What your not happy unless it comes from the FOX or SUN news corps.

Did you know Stevie tried to change the law in Canada which makes it illegal to lie on a news broadcast? Yes that's right he wanted news outlets to be ABLE to lie. As of right now they are not. Please explain how the CBC would be able to get away with what you are insinuating is a lie?

"Canada regulators announced last week they would reject efforts by Canada's right wing Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, to repeal a law that forbids lying on broadcast news."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/fox-news-will-not-be-moving-into-canada-after-all_b_829473.html

Why would he want to repeal such a law? And isn't it funny it was all around the time SUN news started their new channel?

So it looks like until KIng Stevie gets his way , lying will not happen on Canadian news broadcasts. Nice try, come back again soon.
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BCSLAVE
Got a key?
03:42 PM on 03/18/2012
To repeal this law shows that criminal intent is the only reason Harper wants to do it. To subvert democracy with lies.
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robertmiller252
01:30 PM on 03/16/2012
Did any of you left-wing "roboposters" bother to read this article this morning? Thought not!

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/elections-canada-boss-breaks-silence-over-robo-call-controversy/article2371028/
01:54 PM on 03/16/2012
Please explain, all of the info is the same as has been reported elsewhere. Do you have a point to make or just trying to find out if we read the Globe and Mail?
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canobserv
02:29 PM on 03/16/2012
do not engage...avoid and move on would be my advice