Sheppard Transit Report Will Recommend LRT

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First Posted: 03/16/2012 10:14 am Updated: 03/19/2012 4:37 pm


Toronto city council is being advised — by the expert panel it appointed — that light rail, not subways, are the way to go on Sheppard Avenue.


The report released Friday has already been dismissed by Toronto Mayor Rob Ford. He called the panel "biased."


"We all know that, we know what they're going to say," said Ford Thursday. "I listen to the residents, the taxpayers, the people who pay our wages, they're the boss."


But the panel's report pulls no punches when it comes to the transit options for one the city's major east-west corridors.


"Having completed our detailed evaluation of options, the panel concluded that Light Rail Transit (LRT) is the recommended mode of transit for Sheppard Avenue East," the group said in a letter to council contained in the final report.


"With the exception of (Mayor Rob Ford's appointee) Gordon Chong, a strong consensus exists among the panel members that the LRT is superior to the subway options presented, across the range of assessment criteria under consideration."


Committee says LRT option far superior


At a midday news conference Eric Miller, director of the Cities Centre at the University of Toronto, said based on the criteria the committee studied the LRT option was far superior.


Miller said the LRT "came out of this analysis, in this situation, as the best thing to do in the corridor at this time."


"It wasn't a question of choosing ... a second-best alternative because we can't afford the first-best. [The] LRT comes out as the best alternative as well as the most cost effective one within the funding situation."


According to the report the cost factor is significant. The LRT would cost about $1 billion, while a subway with far fewer stops could top $3.5 billion.


The city could go alone on the subway option, the panel says, by adding a percentage point to property taxes and devoting that money exclusively to subway construction.


No increased taxes, Ford says


But Ford shot down that proposal during a meeting with reporters on Friday. “No, I’m not increasing taxes," he said.


Asked about a referendum into a subway tax, Ford said he was open to the concept but that he doubted citizens would be in favour of a tax.


Ford wants to build two or three stations as a start.


"I don't think [the] Yonge or Bloor [lines] were built all at once," he said.


Chong said the city should consider its 50-year future. He fears LRTs would have to be ripped up in a few decades anyway.


He wants council to delay its decision for six to 12 months while it deals with the private sector to see if it's "blowing smoke" about helping to fund subways.


Miller downplayed the political implications of the report, saying the panel did not view the Sheppard decision as a political or ideological question.


"It's a question of what is the best thing to do with the money available — and with subsequent money — in this corridor as a first step towards building a better transit network."


The report will go to full city council next week.


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12:34 PM on 03/20/2012
The St Clair streetcar is a disaster. Try driving between Avenue and Yonge Street it's a red zone all times of the day. The electric busses would be better than those horrid heavy traffic blockers. Either plan for the future and build subways or stick to Eco-Busses.
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oxjr
11:52 PM on 03/16/2012
The economy is still down - Toronto needs transit improvements now. Do the recommendations and allocate a "fund" that it dedicated to adding more subways 15 years from now. Sheesh.... it is a no brainer.
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lulex
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05:44 PM on 03/16/2012
WHY is this man in office? He's not a reasonable person to so harshly criticize a report he hasn't even READ.

For God's sake people, please vote in a more reasonable person to lead the way.
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cameron d
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04:59 PM on 03/16/2012
"I listen to the residents, the taxpayers..."

The general populace is ignorant on the majority of subjects, transit being one of them. Why wouldn't you listen to an expert?
12:47 PM on 03/16/2012
I'm not a Ford supporter but the we need to build for the future not for current capacity. When Bob Rae was premier of Ontario he tried to get the Eglinton Subway built and here we are today... 25 years later still bumbling around trying to get SOMETHING done. Even if the subway was several million over budget 25 years ago it's nothing compared to what the costs are today, and what the costs will be the longer we wait. LRTs are SLOW for pedestrians trying to get off the streets and onto sidewalks, and LRTs clog all traffic including bicycles, taxis and pedestrians.

The north south routes are already overtaxed during rush hours, just brutal overcrowding on the subways with no solutions coming soon. The really big/massive condo developments are all along these transit routes but the transit routes are not being expanded to accomodate the ridership. The transit is a selling feature but i see and hear lots of angry people in the morning waiting 2 and 3 trains for one with space on it, funny how they didn't say that in your condo sales brocure eh?

New York city has express trains and 4 tracks, but here in Toronto we never planned for it so we can never expand the north south lines.
04:48 PM on 03/16/2012
There is a difference between LRTs and Streetcars. The LRT will not interfere with bicycles, taxis or pedestrians.
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lulex
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05:51 PM on 03/16/2012
I've been to Boston. There are plenty of bikes and pedestrians and it all runs smoothly. I loved the LRT in Boston. They are quiet, beautiful to ride in with great view of the city. If you spot an interesting shop or want to grab a snack it's easy to get off and on. Much better for vendors all along the route. Subway only benefits the shops by terminals. LRT benefits everybody along the way.
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cameron d
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05:05 PM on 03/16/2012
New York City has 8 million people in the 5 boroughs and hundreds of thousands more coming into the city every day through tourism and work. Let's just stop comparing our city to New York. It makes absolutely zero sense.
12:28 PM on 03/20/2012
when New York City built the 4 track subway how many tourists and boroughs did it have?
11:52 AM on 03/16/2012
said Ford Thursday. "I listen to the residents, the taxpayers, the people who pay our wages,

did those taxpayers say raise my taxes so i can pay my share of the subway cost -------or did they vote for a tax cut ----

i seem to have missed the first part
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Maxirules
02:20 PM on 03/18/2012
He listens to the residents because they tend to ignore the details and easily believe in rhetoric and loud noises....

I also want subways... But where's the damn money? A and every time Ford is asked this questions... he starts coming up with weird ideas.
11:48 AM on 03/16/2012
Guess what I want a Hummer. That does not mean I need one or have enough money to buy one.
01:08 PM on 03/16/2012
I know what you mean. I would like a Mercedes Benz, but all I can affort is a Toyota. Gets me where I am going.
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CarlyQ
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11:33 AM on 03/16/2012
He should keep an open mind, read the report, take a moment or two to let the information filter in and THEN make a judgment.

He may still make the same judgment but at least then he wouldn't look like an unreasonable human being.
11:26 AM on 03/16/2012
“Scarborough doesn’t have the density of development and the travel patterns to merit a subway,” said Miller. “We have subways downtown because we have the density to justify it.”

What if the density will increase because the LRT would bring greater traffic and in turn attract development? Then there would a need for a subway. I'm no Ford fan, but I get the feeling that the TTC wants to divert part of budget for operational costs, which is fine, but there is no indication that they are willing to cut operational costs like very expensive human ticket dispensers.
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sfurr
03:12 PM on 03/16/2012
Scarborough already has an RT. Has that resulted in the dynamic you are suggesting?

No? Well, how would you expect a substantially different dynamic in the north end of the city farther removed from the lakeshore (which does drive density).
11:23 AM on 03/16/2012
Fiscal conservative? Really? LRT is much cheaper to construct and operate. Does Ford receive more kick-backs if a tunnel is dug?