Quebec Student Tuition Protests: Government, Protesters Exchange Warnings One Day After Big Rally

First Posted: 03/23/2012 12:52 pm Updated: 03/23/2012 11:43 pm

The Quebec government's battle against student protesters deepened Friday, with both sides exchanging threats one day after a memorable protest.

Students warned that they would target vulnerable ridings held by Jean Charest's Liberals while some even warned of gestures that might disrupt the economy.

Education Minister Line Beauchamp shot back with a warning of her own: get back to class, or there will be consequences. More than 200,000 students have been boycotting classes and staging frequent protests against tuition hikes.

"At this point, the students must understand that the biggest disturbance will be in their own lives," Beauchamp said in an interview with The Canadian Press. "Boycotting class will result in disrupting their lives. It could mean an extension of the session, makeup classes, possibly at night."

Although she didn't set a deadline, Beauchamp said the ball is in the students' court and they have some crucial decisions to make when they vote over the next few days on whether or not to continue the protest.

"The decision is in the hands of the students," she said.

Student leaders pointed Friday to a monster march a day before as clear evidence of how their supporters can mobilize as Quebec looks toward its next provincial election, which has to be called by 2013.

Liberal members who were narrowly elected to the legislature will be on their radar and their offices will be targeted, the student leaders said at a news conference in Montreal.

But future protests would try to avoid snarling traffic and blocking commuter bridges, something that has brought an angry outcry from average citizens.

One man, who said he supported the students, even posted a volcanic rant on YouTube after he got caught in a student-sparked jam on Montreal's Champlain Bridge on Tuesday.

Then there was a large Montreal demonstration on Thursday, which came two days after the provincial budget and a blunt refusal by Premier Jean Charest's government to back down on the hikes.

The province is nearly doubling tuition fees over five years, to about $3,800. It will reach its target with a series of $325-a-year increases. However, the tuition fees in the province will still be among the lowest in Canada even after the hikes.

Leo Bureau-Blouin, one of the student leaders, said Friday the position of the government is extremely frustrating for the students and he warned the situation could worsen if the government continues to turn a deaf ear to students' demands.

"I think there's a danger that it could flare up, especially if the government maintains its hard line for the next week," he said. "At some point it will become a real social crisis. People will demonstrate every day, they will disrupt the offices of members of the legislature and I will not have any control."

Beauchamp was unmoved.

"The decision has been made," she said in Quebec City. There's no chance of negotiation since the positions of the government and the students are irreconcilable, she said.

"The student associations are defending two options — one wants to talk about completely free (education), the others wants to maintain the freeze and send the bill to other people. It's a bit of 'not in my backyard' and that can't be a basis for discussion."

Beauchamp was pleased that Thursday's march was peaceful but refused to call the event "historic" as some had or liken it to the Arab Spring. Some students have been calling the protests the "Printemps Erable," or "Maple Spring," which in French is a play on the phrase, "Printemps Arabe."

"It was a big demonstration but it brought together the usual players," she said, noting the students were supported by unions as well as the Parti Quebecois and the smaller Quebec solidaire party.

Opposition Leader Pauline Marois, who was once education minister in a government that floated tuition-fee increases before being forced to retreat, has said she would repeal any increases if the PQ takes power.

Montreal police estimated Thursday's crowd, which spanned several kilometres across dozens of city blocks, at around 100,000. It is considered by observers to be one of the largest demonstrations ever in Quebec.

Martine Desjardins, one of the student organizers, said it was difficult to organize Thursday's march but she is happy with the results.

"We commend the peaceful nature of the demonstration," she said. "We can say 'mission accomplished'.

"We're waiting for the government to also act responsibly and open discussions with the students. It is time to settle this conflict because the students are more and more determined."

One political scientist says that while low tuition is unsustainable, Charest likely underestimated the ferocity of the student opposition because young people do not usually vote in significant numbers.

"I think the assumption was that these people aren't going to vote — but suddenly these people are mobilizing," said Bruce Hicks, a political scientist at Montreal's Concordia University. "They're going to the streets, they're having demonstrations and they could actually vote.

"This could have a very negative effect on the Charest government," he said. "This would mean that the PQ would actually win the next election in Quebec."

Besides that, Hicks said that Charest, whose government is already deeply unpopular, probably didn't expect such good weather in recent days. Usually, libraries would be packed with students cramming for exams, doing papers or surfing the Internet.

"Had this been a typical spring I don't think we would have as many demonstrations and as many people in the streets as we've been having. It's gorgeous out."

(With files from Nelson Wyatt)

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11:04 AM on 03/29/2012
The refusal of student protesters to even discuss the acceptance of higher tuition in exchange for increased financial aid for truly needy students brings the selfish interests of the so-called "strike" into clear focus. True solidarity consists in the more fortunate aiding the less fortunate. Resident students in Québec now pay far less than their parents, and the protesters believe that it is their right to be supported by others, no matter their own socioeconomic status. This is equivalent to arguing that all Québec residents, whether rich or poor, should pay the same amount of tax. This is not the nature of solidarity; it is instead selfish greed on the part of protesters.
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10:59 AM on 03/25/2012
I applaud the 200 000 students who are participating in democracy, too often we hear in the news how the "younger" generation does not vote. Accessible education is worth fighting for, higher tuition fees limit who can afford to go to University. Post secondary education could be free in Canada, it is in many European countries, it's a matter of priority. The current Conservative government has reduced the corporate income tax rate from 21% (2008) to 15%, personal income tax has remained relatively unchanged. The upcoming Federal budget will see 4 Billion dollars in cuts to public services but no reduction in personal income tax. As an individual you will pay the same amount in tax but now receive less service. Perhaps the 4 Billion portion earmarked for "savings" the government receives in taxes could go to pay for students tuition? It has been estimated that it would cost roughly 2.6 Billion annually for free post secondary education in Canada. How much were those F-35 fighter jets again?

I would be much happier to see my tax dollars go to make education accessible to all Canadians (lowering or abolishing tuition all together) instead of increased spending on the military or corporate tax cuts. What does it say for us as a nation if we are unwilling to invest in our future generation?
04:44 PM on 03/24/2012
A month ago a study at the HEC stating Quebec will be the poorest province in Canada. In ten years time...This should be an wake up call, but hey ya let the students continue having the lowest tuition fees in the country. It's going to come and bite everyone in the A$$ in a few years. Quebec will become Greece
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dan can
01:10 PM on 03/24/2012
way to go students!! fight tooth and nail!! when will the hikes stop. nice to see some canadians that know how to truly protest with great spirit.
10:04 AM on 03/24/2012
I applaud the students, too many times the government in Québec has raised taxes before even trying to control spending. Let them examine the fat salaries in Hydro Québec, Loto Québec, SAAQ (liquor monopoly who sets prices on alcool) and other corporations. Quebecers don't react enough to the government that is why we are the most highly taxed in North America. If the US collected taxes like our government, they would have eliminated their deficit a long time ago.
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grizzly bear55
King of the forest
07:26 AM on 03/24/2012
I agree to high tuition fees, it was about time to make them pay for something that is tax deductible and at the end will cost them absolutely nothing.

In the US , you need a mortgage on your house to send a student to college.
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09:53 AM on 03/24/2012
Then you agree to a class system.
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grizzly bear55
King of the forest
10:40 AM on 03/24/2012
What I agree to is I had enough paying top taxes for people to whine.
01:43 PM on 03/24/2012
my daughter took massive student loans and we are paying for our autistic son to attend college. The cost of tuition keeps rising the cost of the text books is criminal. I would love to have your accountant where in the end this costs us nothing....................
An educated society is a prosperous society.
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grizzly bear55
King of the forest
02:44 PM on 03/24/2012
All student fees are deductible, all related to their education is deductible, your have many deductions because of a live in student.

Try to avoid the cornet store accountant or the software that they sell, use a real CGA, CA and you'll get most of your money.
06:09 AM on 03/24/2012
This protest is more than about tuition fees, it is about the future. Yes, the youth are screwed, doomed to be slaves to Harpers corporistas. I say go cause as much trouble as you can, we need it in Canada.

On another note...does anyone else think that Pink Floyd's 'Mother' is the best song ever produced? I do.
12:54 AM on 03/24/2012
these same 200,000 plus protesters will go this weekend and plunk down 20 plus canadian dollars
for a crappy movie based on bad literary conceptand make some foreigner rich but throw a hissy fit
at having to invest in their own future with cost that are lower than most countries.
instead of protesting save your money from the collins investment and figure out how to offfset cost.lobby,invest,invent,run for office,petition etc etc
"there is always a soulution to the problem and its usually not the one YOU are CURRENTLY spending your money on!!!!!!!!
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10:40 PM on 03/23/2012
Too many spoilt Quebecers dependent on a nanny state. Over-subsidized tuition fees, $7 daily daycare, over-extended health care, and only a quarter of the population providing nearly 2/3 of the province's receipts, and these spoilt children still expect more. Already in debt to their eyeballs, and still asking for transfers from the rest of the country, how they can possibly expect any responsible government not to confront an impossible and undeserved subsidy?
11:27 PM on 03/23/2012
$7 a day daycare how wonderful. Have your kid in January and in september you have to send it to daycare or lose your spot so you get to have the next 4 months home alone with maternity benefits. hmmmmmm double payment sort of. and then to the subject of dumb and dumber picketing the streets beaue of $325.00 more per year tuition. How about it is a priviledge not a right let the little suckers go somewhere else to go to school and see how they like it
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KenKo
11:35 PM on 03/23/2012
I totally agree. I have brainless fools continuing to berate me (in the Quebec site) for not agreeing with their irresponsible opinions. They think they have a right to all the subsidies from the rest of the country without any accountability.
07:02 AM on 03/24/2012
As Quebec a mother of two, I can absolutely and confidently tell you that this is not the case and that you're implying that fraud is being perpetrated by families who need to work.

Maternity benefits run the first 15-21 weeks post-partum, or can begin a maximum of 8 weeks before the expected delivery date. It would be impossible for a mother to be pulling off what you wrote.

The ones who are making the rules right now benefited from "the right" to an affordable university education themselves and finished without the crushing weight of student debt. Now the game has begun where they want to start pricing education out of the hands of the middle class and reserve it only for the privileged. The levels of corruption and waste at the higher levels are bleeding the funds and rather than address that, they prefer to offset the cost onto the user - same plan for health care, construction and road work and elsewhere.
06:42 AM on 03/24/2012
Quebecker here....you are missing some major points in the student protests. The corruption at the higher levels is vast, sucking up huge amounts of money. Rather than investigate and fix this, the gov't is instead choosing to raise fees. I know it's hard to believe, but those of us caught in the problem and that are directly affected by it, do have a semblance of an idea about the reality of it.

$7 daycare permits lower-income families to afford to work and in itself is a positive endeavor. It is not perfect and I do not agree with many of the conditions attached to it, but it is a program I will continue to support. My friends in Ontario essentially work for next to no pay until their kids go to full-day kindergarten or outright quit.

Our health care is a mess, just like most of the other provinces, but I wouldn't call it "over-extended".

And I think it disingenuous to throw out unsubstantiated opinions as fact by suggesting figures.
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KenKo
01:58 PM on 03/24/2012
Unfortunately the data is rather incontrovertible. I do happen to agree with you that the construction scandal is shameful and should have been and should be investigated. But the amount of money there pales in comparison to the amount needed to feed the state apparatus. And you can check the public accounts yourself to see what is the proportion of income earners reporting taxes, and what is their proportion to the rest of the population. An elementary deduction. Are some social programs worthwhile, like cheap daycare? Of course; but only in an ideal world with a growing economy. We cannot have everything without figuring in the price tag and what it does in terms of individual responsibility. What makes sense for one worthwhile case does not necessarily make economic sense when you extend it to the collectivity at large. Why do you think Ontario citizens pay progressive health care premiums? People in Quebec grumble at $200 a pop...try $720 a year for anyone making middle income wages. Then tell me why the rest of the country needs to subsidize good intentions in Quebec.
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Thalin Lea
10:03 PM on 03/23/2012
They are soo cute OMG, im proud of these kids, my support go to them 1 000 000 000 %
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KenKo
10:45 PM on 03/23/2012
You obviously don't pay any employment-based income taxes or you would not be so quick to support these impossible demands. Get off the government milk train, and work. When you see how little you get because of the income taxes, you would not be so tolerant of such childish behaviour.
05:36 AM on 03/24/2012
I benefitted from a subsidised education in Quebec a few years ago, and my educational qualifications consequently landed me a high-paying job. Now I pay plenty in taxes PRECISELY to support the next generation's education so that they can have the same opportunities I did. Education is something we pay forward, and I'm proud to do so. Only a hypocrite would deny others the same opportunities they were given.
07:07 AM on 03/24/2012
Yeah, that's right. Only welfare cases could possibly defend it.

I pay lots of employment-based income, both federal and provincial, and have for several decades and I am very quick to support these possible demands.

Get your Harper goggles off and inform yourself beyond the propaganda that the media let you see.
11:17 PM on 03/23/2012
Don't worry Thalin, KenKo is furiously bad on the Qc Post too :D
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09:11 PM on 03/24/2012
you rare so sweet Luna dear! thank you !
09:38 PM on 03/23/2012
Whining and complaining will go nowhere. Join a party, volunteer, become engaged and VOTE!
08:21 PM on 03/23/2012
Why do the French riot over every damned thing?
09:38 PM on 03/23/2012
Had to find something. No playoff hockey riot in Montreal this year
06:16 AM on 03/24/2012
Its' something called passion.

I truly am sorry that some are born into this world without the ability to feel such a thing. Wish I could explain it to you more.
07:09 AM on 03/24/2012
You hit it right on...environments that are too milk-toast just don't get it.
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SeanMartin
Everything in moderation.
08:01 PM on 03/23/2012
Asbestos suit time:

Four thousand a year? That's it?

Sorry, folks, but that's dirt cheap for a university education. You want to see serious sticker shock? Check out equivalent schools south of the border. A state institution like University of North Carolina is 25K per year, or if you really want to go all out, there's Duke University, which is sixty grand per year. Granted, it's a private school, but it still gets plenty of state education funds.

Four grand? You're getting a deal.
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08:06 PM on 03/23/2012
The argument in reply to this one is that it's a question of justice and that money has no place in education. It should be based on merit rather than daddy's bank account. I'm just saying what this movement has replied in the past.
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SeanMartin
Everything in moderation.
08:18 PM on 03/23/2012
I'm afraid I dont quite get the argument, sorry. Education, like everything else, has to be paid for somehow. I'm glad my taxes go to support it — as they should. But four thousand per year is hardly an amount out of reach for most students (I mean, please, we're talking about the cost of a couple of iPads here), and if we're going on merit, the schools do offer scholarships as financial support.
08:18 PM on 03/23/2012
If money has no place in education, why do students want so much of mine to pay for THEIR education?
07:15 AM on 03/24/2012
Not quite an apples to apples assessment...the US does not subsidize anything. Likely better to compare with a Canadian University.

$4k is for tuition only. There are loads of fees and expenses after that.
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SeanMartin
Everything in moderation.
09:03 AM on 03/24/2012
And at the institutions I mention, that's also tuition only. There are considerable fees and expenses after those as well. So yes, the assessment is an equivalency.

Further, all of these institutions provide their own subsidies in the form of scholarships. If it's a state school, that's the equivalent of a state subsidy, since it's money that has to be borne by the tax payers. At private schools like Duke, they receive considerable tax dollars for a variety of things, but the simple fact remains that those too are a form of state subsidy.

I repeat: 4K is dirt cheap by comparison.
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PG13
07:44 PM on 03/23/2012
Protesting in Montreal only gives the municaplity and the mayor of Montreal headache. Changes nothing.

The protesters should hold up Quebec City, not Montreal if they are really serious.

In Montreal, it's the mayor that is spending more money on the police not the Provincial Government.

Go to Quebec City! Not Montreal
07:15 AM on 03/24/2012
Larger population bases in Montreal and greater concentration of universities...makes more sense here.
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All Seeing Guy
Center of the storm
07:21 PM on 03/23/2012
Go pay for an education anywhere else in the country for a few years, then whine about how hard you have it.

Subsidize my way! Subsidize my way!
07:24 AM on 03/24/2012
Using your argument, the gov't will now take away universal health care are implement a substantial user fee for each and every medical intervention you require.

And when you protest, they will invite you to seek medical services in the US, so that you can stop your whining about how hard you have it.
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All Seeing Guy
Center of the storm
04:19 PM on 03/24/2012
That's funny, I don't recall mentioning America. I suspect though, your debating skills were sharpened sitting next to the straw-man while riding the short bus.

How about this: "the gov't will now take away generous education subsidies and require Quebec students to pay the same as the kids in Alberta"