How 'Muzzled' Are Canada's Federal Scientists?

First Posted: 03/27/2012 7:15 am EDT Updated: 02/27/2013 12:58 pm EST

Kristi Miller would likely be able to help Canadians who don't have degrees in biology understand her groundbreaking — and complex — research into the Pacific salmon stock, which was published more than a year ago.


But so far, the federal Department of Fisheries and Oceans scientist, who toils in a lab on Vancouver Island, has only spoken publicly at a formal inquiry into the decline of sockeye salmon in the Fraser River.


Media requests to speak to her have not resulted in interviews — and the decision to keep her off-limits to reporters has reached as high as officials in the Privy Council Office in Ottawa.


The federal government says it is not muzzling its scientists, but Miller's name often emerges when the issue arises, as it has more frequently of late both inside and outside Canada's scientific community.


For some, there's far more at stake here than a simple opportunity for a biologist or a climatologist to talk about viruses or the ozone layer.


"If scientists working within government are not free to discuss their science and the potential implications of it, then what does that say about us as a society?" asks Jeffrey Hutchings, a professor and Canada Research Chair in Marine Conservation and Biodiversity at Dalhousie University in Halifax.


For Hutchings, who had his own fight with federal government secrecy over the closure of the Atlantic cod fishery in the 1990s, there's a rather grim answer to his question.


It is, as he puts it, that "we have somehow deemed it OK or permissible for an Iron Curtain to be drawn across the communication of science in this country."


A long history


Miller's experience is only the latest in a series of incidents that have alarmed the scientific community (see sidebar).


Scientists whose research touched on everything from global temperature increases to a massive flood in northern Canada 13,000 years ago and an ozone hole over the Arctic have seen their media availability carefully dictated or ruled out completely.


Politicians have taken note, too. Green Party Leader Elizabeth May calls the situation the "Mystery of the Muzzled Scientists," and sees it dating to the time when John Baird was environment minister.


In a posting on her website, May says the "muzzling" now includes communication with members of Parliament.


"I asked a colleague in DFO a fairly innocuous question by email a few months ago," May wrote. "The reply explained that, now that I was an MP, he would need permission to respond. He promised to let me know when he had the ‘all clear.’ I imagine I will never hear from him again."


As for Kristi Miller, she was the lead scientist whose research, published in the January 2011 edition of the journal Science, suggested that an unexplained virus was resulting in a higher death rate for some salmon.


She has spoken about her research at the federal inquiry under B.C. Justice Bruce Cohen, which is due to issue its final report by the end of June. At the inquiry, Miller testified that she believes it would have been useful to speak to the media after her research was published to let them know what scientists knew and didn't know. She said she also found it frustrating to see the direction some news stories went.


For Hutchings and others, that kind of public appearance, at an official inquiry or scientific conference, isn't enough. Canadians should be able to hear scientists explain their work in plain language whenever they are called upon.


Otherwise, the public might not be able to grasp the significance of the research and individuals won't be able to form their own opinions and come up with alternative theories, should they want to.


The Department of Fisheries and Oceans declined to make Miller available to the media over the past 15 months and even declined a request for an interview to discuss her case and the federal government's general approach to media requests for interviews with its scientists.


In an email, DFO media relations manager Frank Stanek wrote that Miller's work was discussed at the Cohen commission, and that her research is available to the public through its publication in the journal Science.


"Fisheries and Oceans Canada is conscious of the requirement to ensure that our conduct did not influence, and was not perceived to be attempting to influence, the evidence or course of the inquiry.


"As a result, it was decided that media questions would be responded to in writing."


Communicating 'a priority'


Stanek went on to note that "communicating our science is a priority" for the department, and that DFO scientists respond to about 380 science-based media calls annually.


Environment Minister Peter Kent says that concerns about "muzzling" of scientists are being driven by a small number of impatient Canadian journalists.


"There is an element in all of this controversy, second-hand information and criticism from the scientific community abroad responding to a few, a very small number of Canadian journalists who believe they're the centres of their respective universes and deserve access to our scientists on their timeline and to their deadlines, and it simply doesn't work that way," Kent said last week in an interview with Embassy, an Ottawa-based foreign policy newsweekly.


When federal scientists speak with the media, they do so under media rules that were tightened a few years ago.


Under the new rules, interviews may come days or weeks after a request is made. By that time, of course, the story could be old news.


Gary Goodyear, the federal minister of state for science and technology, rejects any suggestion that the new system is designed to downplay the department's work.


Federal scientists, he said, are "available for interviews from the media. They do conferences on their research. They teach all across the country.


"So I don't see that as being an issue," he told the CBC's Julie Van Dusen in Ottawa earlier this month.


Too little, too late


Still, Tom Pedersen, a director at the Pacific Institute for Climate Solutions at the University of Victoria, questions how useful an interview with a federal scientist can really be when it comes weeks after a request is made.


"Effectively what's happened is the current government has thrown a blanket over the free exchange of knowledge, scientific knowledge, in Canada, and society does not benefit when there are constraints placed on the free exchange of scientific knowledge."


Pedersen looks to the discussion around climate change when he considers the impact of limited or delayed media access to federal scientists who can put their research into plain language.


"The damage that causes is that we are unable to get the Canadian public to understand how serious the issue is, what the latest scientific results are and what the importance that those results then hold for developing good policies here to change the direction in which we're going."


He also points out that this has become an international issue, noting in particular an editorial earlier this month in the journal Nature that called on the federal government to "free its scientists to speak to the press."


"We are now seen on the international stage as a pariah and five years ago, or maybe six, that was not the case," Pedersen says.


"Canada was praised internationally for its scientific efforts and its openness as a society. And now we seem to have turned our back on that."


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    As Canada begins the process of withdrawing from the Kyoto Protocol this year, here's a look at the country's top polluting provinces. (Mt CO2 eq refers to megatonnes of carbon dioxide equivalent, which is the standard international unit of measurement for reporting GHG emissions. It expresses all greenhouse gases emissions in terms of the global warming potential of carbon dioxide, CO2. One megatonne is equal to one million tonnes.) * Signatories to the Kyoto Protocol submit greenhouse gas emissions inventories to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change annually, but the data itself lags two years behind. ** Facility-reportedemissions are those reported by large industrial facilities like fossil-fuel-powered power plants, mining An activist wears a mask depicting the face of Canadian Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, during a protest in Durban on the sidelines of the UN climate talks, on December 5, 2011. (ALEXANDER JOE/AFP/Getty Images) <em>With files from CBC</em>

  • 7. Quebec - Per capita: 10.4 tonnes CO2 equivalent

    Emissions target: 20 per cent below 1990 levels by 2020 2009* emissions: - Total: 81.7 Mt CO2 eq. - Per capita: 10.4 tonnes CO2 eq. % change from 1990: -1.9 per cent % of Canada's total emissions: 11.8 per cent (**facility-reported emissions: 8 per cent) LEGISLATION: Cap and trade -- Quebec will be the first jurisdiction in Canada to adopt a cap and trade system for reducing emissions, effective January 2012. The first year will be a transition year in which participants are to get a feel for how the system works but are not obliged to comply with the caps. Under the system, the province establishes an overall emissions objective and then sets specific caps on individual sectors based on average emissions in that sector or on a company by company basis. Emitters whose emissions are below the cap will be able to sell emissions credits to companies whose emissions exceed the cap. Quebec will be part of the same cap-and-trade system as California since both are members of the Western Climate Initiative. Some environmental groups, including the Pembina Institute, have said the auction price for emissions credits that Quebec has set --$10 per tonne in 2013 and $15 per tonne in 2020 -- is too low to motivate significant reductions in emissions and have urged the province to raise them. Carbon tax -- Quebec was the first jurisdiction in North America to introduce a carbon tax in 2007. The tax applies to about 50 fuel producers and distributors that use a large amount of hydrocarbons. The $200 million collected annually through the tax goes to fund projects that are part of the province's Climate Change Action Plan. The tax rate varies depending on the amount of carbon released during combustion: - Gasoline: 0.8 cents/litre - Diesel: 0.9 cents/litre - Propane: 0.5 cents/litre - Light heating oil: 0.96 cents/litre - Heavy heating oil: 1 cent/litre - Coke used in steel making: 1.3 cents/litre - Coal: $8/tonne Energy -- It's no accident that Quebec is one of the few provinces to have reduced its emissions from 1990 levels: 96 per cent of the province's electrical power comes from renewable sources. While hydro power is its biggest strength, it has also invested heavily in wind power and aims to develop 4,000 MW of wind-generated electricity by 2015. (Alamy)

  • 6. Ontario - Per capita: 12.6 tonnes CO2 eq.

    Emissions target: 15 per cent below 1990 levels by 2020 2009* emissions: - Total: 165 Mt CO2 eq. - Per capita: 12.6 tonnes CO2 eq. % change from 1990: -6.5 per cent % of Canada's total emissions: 23.9 per cent (**facility-reported emissions: 20 per cent) LEGISLATION: Energy -- The province passed the Green Energy Act in 2009, which set the course for the province's transition to cleaner sources of energy and greater energy efficiency. It came with financial incentives for the development of wind, solar and biomass power-generation projects and created the feed-in tariff program by which producers of renewable energy are paid premium rates to supply the province's power grid. The Act also includes provisions to promote energy conservation and green construction in the public sector. Coal -- The province plans to phase out all of its coal-fired electricity generation by 2014 and replace it with wind, solar and other clean-energy sources. A total of 19 units at five coal plants will be shut; eight have been closed already. In the past decade, the province has gone from relying on coal for 27 per cent of its electricity needs to seven per cent. Cap and trade -- Ontario is part of the Western Climate Initiative and has the legislation in place to implement a cap-and-trade system but has not yet done so. In the last election, the Liberals said they were still committed to setting up the system but did not say when that might happen. Fuel -- Along with the federal regulations on renewable content, Ontario has committed to reducing carbon content in transportation fuels by 10 per cent by 2020. Emissions -- In 2009, Ontarioamended its Environmental Protection Act to allow greenhouse gas emissions to be regulated and laid the groundwork for a cap-and-trade system. As of 2010, any facility emitting more than 25,000 tonnes of CO2 equivalent has to report its emissions annually, but there are no limits on these emissions as yet. (GEOFF ROBINS/AFP/Getty Images)

  • 5. B.C. - Per capita: 14.3 tonnes CO2 eq.

    Emissions target:33 per cent below 2007 levels by 2020 2009* emissions: - Total: 63.8 Mt CO2 eq. - Per capita: 14.3 tonnes CO2 eq. % change from 1990: +28.1 per cent (2 per cent below 2007 levels) % of Canada's total emissions: 9.2 per cent (**facility-reported emissions: 5 per cent) LEGISLATION: Carbon tax -- B.C. introduced a tax on fossil fuels in 2008. It started at $10/tonne and will rise by $5 a year until 2012. It is currently at $25/tonne and applies to gasoline, diesel, natural gas, heating fuel, propane and coal -- and to peat and tires when used to produce energy. Revenue raised from the tax is put toward lowering other taxes. The tax covers about 70 per cent of B.C.'s emissions. Electricity -- B.C.'s Clean Energy Act requires that 93 per cent of the province's electricity come from renewable sources and aims to make B.C. not only self-sufficient in terms of its electricity supply but also to be a net exporter of clean electricity. Some have criticized the legislation, because it reverses B.C.'s past policy of generating only enough electricity to meet the province's own needs and allows the government to exploit rivers and the environment by selling surplus power. It also mergers the generating and transmission sides of the electricity sector that past governments had taken pains to separate. This can undermine the oversight authority of the B.C. Utilities Commission, particularly its ability to reject certain hydro power projects, critics say. Coal -- B.C. has abandoned coal-fired electricity generation in favour of renewables but is still Canada's biggest exporter of coal. In 2010, it exported about 23 million tonnes. Fuel -- B.C.'s Renewable and Low Carbon Fuel Requirements Regulation has targets for reducing emissions from transportation fuels. Its overall target is to reduce the carbon intensity of fuels by 10 per cent by 2020. Carbon intensity measures the CO2 equivalent emissions of fuel per unit of energy. The regulations also stipulate that gasoline must have five per cent renewable content beginning in 2010 and diesel must have five per cent renewable content by 2012. The province is also testing a fleet of 20 fuel-cell buses that have zero tailpipe emissions. The $89.5 million federal-provincial project runs until March 2014. Public sector -- In June 2011, the province announced it had succeeding in making government operations carbon neutral, meaning that by reducing emissions and purchasing carbon offsets for reductions made in other sectors, the net contribution to the province's emissions from the public sector would be zero. Many have questioned the government's methodology in declaring itself carbon neutral, pointing out that it exempted some government-owned operations, such as BC Ferries, and didn't give credit to some institutions for reducing certain heavy-emitting activities, such as commuting. Cap and trade -- B.C. is a member of the Western Climate Initiative formed in 2007 between several U.S. states and four Canadian provinces. The members of the initiative have agreed to set a regional target for reducing greenhouse gas emissions of 15 per cent below 2005 levels by 2020, which is less ambitious than the federal target Canada and the U.S. agreed to under the Copenhagen Accord; and to establish a regional cap-and-trade program. Although B.C. has the legislation in place to implement a cap-and-trade system and had initially said it would launch the program in 2012, the Liberal government under new leader Christy Clark has not committed to carrying out the plan and is currently reviewing whether a cap-and-trade model is the best way to meet the provincial target. So far, only Quebec and California have moved forward with the cap-and-trade plan. Both are to begin a trial year of operation in 2012. Christy Clark, Premier of British Columbia, Canada, speaks during the World Economic Forum - India Economic Summit in Mumbai on November 14, 2011. (PUNIT PARANJPE/AFP/Getty Images)

  • 4. Manitoba - Per capita: 16.6 tonnes CO2 eq.

    Emissions target: none 2009* emissions: - Total: 20.3 Mt CO2 eq. - Per capita: 16.6 tonnes CO2 eq. % change from 1990: +9.6 per cent % of Canada's total emissions: 3.1 per cent (**facility-reported emissions: 1 per cent) LEGISLATION: Emissions -- Under the NDP government of Gary Doer, Manitoba passed the Climate Change and Emissions Reductions Actin 2008, which committed the government to reducing emissions to six per cent below 1990 levels by 2012. It abandoned that target this December, after Canada withdrew from the Kyoto Protocol -- although, with 2012 fast approaching and Manitoba's emissions nowhere near six per cent below 1990 levels, the move was largely moot. Carbon tax -- The provinceintroduced a small carbon tax of $10 a tonne of CO2 equivalent on coal-fired electricity generation in July 2011, but it only affects three companies that are large emitters of greenhouse gases. Cap and trade -- Manitoba is a member of the Western Climate Initiative but has not yet laid the legislative groundwork for setting up a cap-and-trade system in the province. Manitoba Legislature in Winnipeg. (<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jezz/">Flickr: Jezz's Photostream</a>

  • 3. Nova Scotia - 22.3 tonnes CO2 eq.

    Emissions target: 10 per cent below 1990 levels by 2020 2009* emissions: - Total: 21 Mt CO2 eq. - per capita: 22.3 tonnes CO2 eq. % change from 1990: +10.5 per cent % of Canada's total emissions: 3 per cent (**facility-reported emissions: 4 per cent) LEGISLATION: Electricity -- Almost 90 per cent of Nova Scotia's electrical power comes from fossil fuels, mostly coal. In 2009, the province passed regulations limiting emissions in the electricity sector. It set caps on any facility emitting more than 10,000 tonnes of CO2 equivalent per year. Clean energy -- The province passed an Environmental Goals and Sustainable Prosperity Act that sets targets for reducing emissions and increasing energy efficiency and the use of renewable fuel sources. The province aims to get 25 per cent of its electricity from renewable sources by 2015. Two Canadian bagpipers play in front of the town clock in Halifax. (Tim BREAKMEIE/AFP/Getty Images)

  • 2. Alberta - Per capita: 63.6 tonnes CO2 eq.

    Emissions target: 14 per cent below 2005 levels by 2050 2009* emissions: - Total: 234 Mt CO2 eq. - Per capita: 63.6 tonnes CO2 eq. % difference from 1990: +36.7 per cent % of Canada's total emissions: 33.8 per cent (**facility-reported emissions: 47 per cent) Alberta has also expressed its target as a 50 per cent reduction in emissions intensity below 1990 levels by 2020, which according to the Pembina Institute, translates to a reduction of 60 megatonnes in annual emissions below the business-as-usual level by 2020. Emissions intensity doesn't measure emissions in absolute terms but instead factors in GDP to measure GHG as a unit of production. This means that if production increases, emissions can increase and the province can still meet its target. Alberta's 2008 climate change strategy expresses its reduction targets as a cut in annual emissions of 50 Mt by 2020 and 200 Mt by 2050, a cut of 50 per cent below business as usual level. LEGISLATION: Emissions -- Alberta was the first province to implement regulations limiting greenhouse gas emissions when in 2003 it passed the Climate Change and Emissions Management Act. That act gave the province the right to regulate emissions, require mandatory reporting of emissions from certain facilities and set an overall provincial target of reducing emissions intensity to 50 per cent of 1990 levels by 2020. In 2007, the province added the Specified Gas Emitters Regulation. Under those laws, as of March 2008, existing facilities that emit more than 100,000 tonnes of greenhouse gas per year had to cap their emissions intensity at 12 per cent below the average for 2003-2005. Facilities built from 2000 on have a three-year reprieve before they have to start reducing emissions intensity by two per cent a year for five years. Emitters can choose to pay a penalty for exceeding their targets of $15 for every tonne over their limit. The money goes into the Climate Change and Emissions Management Fund, which as of September 2011 had collected $257 million -- from about $40 million in 2008. In 2009, the province set up a Climate Change and Emissions Management Corporation to invest the fund money into "emission reduction technologies." They can also purchase credits to offset their own emissions from emitters that have already reached their reduction targets or from companies that are not subject to the regulations (i.e. those who emit less than 100,000 tonnes a year) but have voluntarily reduced emissions. Environmentalists have criticized Alberta's emissions regulations for several reasons: - Measuring emissions intensity instead of absolute emissions allows the province to keep increasing emissions. The Alberta Environmental Law Centre has said that studies have shown that the province will be able to meet its emissions intensity target of 50 per cent below 1990 levels even if absolute emissions grow by 60 to 80 per cent above 1990 levels. According to the Pembina Institute, between 1990 and 2009, Alberta's greenhouse gas emissions increased more than those of any other jurisdiction in North America. - The regulations apply only to large emitters. - The $15/tonne penalty for exceeding reduction targets is not high enough to motivate changes in behaviour. Electricity -- Small-scale producers of renewable energy can feed the provincial grid and are compensated at the retail, rather than wholesale, price for electricity. As of 2005, almost all of the electricity in government buildings comes from renewable sources like wind and biomass, but overall, renewables still make up only five per cent of the province's total generating capacity. About 45 per cent comes from coal, and 40 per cent from natural gas. Coal --About 59 per cent of the province's electricity generation is fuelled by coal. Alberta angered many environmentalists in August 2011 when it approved a new $1.7-billion coal plant at a facility near Grande Cache owned by Maxim Power. The company plans to build a 500-megawatt generating station next to its existing 150-megawatt H.R. Milner plant, which is to shut down in 2012. The Pembina Institute estimates the new plant will emit more than three million tonnes of greenhouse gases each year -- the equivalent of adding 590,000 vehicles to the road. Source: Canada's 2011 national greenhouse gas inventory submission to the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change. Aerial view of the Suncor oil sands extraction facility near the town of Fort McMurray in Alberta on October 23, 2009. (MARK RALSTON/AFP/Getty Images)

  • 1. Saskatchewan - Per capita: 71 tonnes CO2 eq.

    Emissions target: 20 per cent below 2006 levels by 2020 2009* emissions: - Total: 73.1 Mt CO2 eq. - Per capita: 71 tonnes CO2 eq. % change from 1990: +69 per cent % of Canada's total emissions: 7.3 per cent (**facility-reported emissions: 9 per cent) LEGISLATION: Emissions -- The province passed a Management and Reduction of Greenhouse Gases Act in 2010 that allows it to regulate emissions but has not yet implemented emissions limits on facilities or required them to report their greenhouse gas emissions. Regulations to that effect are expected to be introduced in 2012, with the first caps coming into force in 2013. The province plans to set a price on carbon and have facilities that exceed the caps pay into a green technology fund similar to the one that exists in Alberta. Saskatchewan's emissions have grown more than those of any other province since 1990, increasing by 69 per cent. This is largely due to the explosive growth in the province's oil and gas sector, which accounts for 37 per cent of its total emissions. Saskatchewan is Canada's second largest producer of oil after Alberta and accounts for about 20 per cent of the country's oil production. Potash mining and the expansion of coal-fired power generation have also contributed to the growth in emissions. Coal -- About 60 per cent of Saskatchewan's electricity comes from coal-fired generation. The province has no plans to phase out coal but instead aims to retrofit existing units to include carbon capture and storage technology to reduce emissions. (<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/justaprairieboy/">Flickr: Just a Prairie Boy's photostream</a>)

  • Canada - Per capita: 20.5 tonnes CO2 eq.

    Emissions target: 17 per cent below 2005 levels by 2020 This is the target Canada agreed to under the 2009 Copenhagen Accord, which laid out the broad outlines of a possible agreement to replace the Kyoto Protocol once it expires in 2012. It is a smaller cut over a longer period than what Canada originally agreed to under Kyoto, which would have required Canada to reduce greenhouse gas emissions to six per cent below 1990 levels by 2012. The target mirrors the one proposed by the U.S. during the Copenhagen negotiations. After announcing on Dec. 12 that Canada will withdraw from Kyoto, Environment Minister Peter Kent said the government will stick to the Copenhagen target, even though it is not legally binding as the Kyoto target was. Canada's 2009*emissions: - Total: 690 Mt CO2 eq. - Per capita: 20.5 tonnes CO2 eq. % change from 1990: +16.9 per cent LEGISLATION: Coal -- federal emissions limits for coal-fired power plants are to come into force in July 2015. They will limit emissions to 375 tonnes of CO2 per gigawatt-hour of electricity produced per year. Emitters will be able to use carbon capture and storage to meet their emissions caps. The regulation will apply to any coal-fired unit commissioned after July 1, 2015, or at the end of its useful life -- which is the lesser of 45 years or the year 2020. Some critics say this limits the effectiveness of the law since about two-thirds of Canadian coal plants won't be subject to the regulations until 2020, and nine plants won't have to comply until 2030. Some also fear that the 2015 starting date for newly commissioned plants could prompt a rush to get new coal plants online before then to avoid being subject to the regulations. Indeed, one example of this already happened in Alberta, where Maxim Power received approval in August 2011 to build a new coal plant that won't have to comply with the emissions caps. Canada has 51 coal-burning electricity plants, which account for 13 per cent of the country's greenhouse gas emissions; 33 of the plants will be at the end of their life by 2025. Fuel -- In 2010, the government passed a regulation requiring an average of five per cent renewable content in gasoline and an annual average of two per cent in diesel fuel and heating oil. It adopted fuel emissionsstandards for passenger cars and light trucks for model years 2011-2016 that mirror those introduced in the U.S. Cars and light trucks account for 12 per cent of Canada's overall greenhouse gas emissions (and 43 per cent of transportation emissions). The transportation sector as a whole accounts for 27 per cent of overall emissions. Parliament Hill is blanketed in snow 18 December 2007 in Ottawa, Canada, (MICHEL COMTE/AFP/Getty Images)

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Tyler Austin
Women = people. Corperations ≠ people.
05:07 PM on 03/28/2012
If you disagree with the governemnt they cut your funding. They've done it for womans issues, the enviroment and aboriginals.
Why not scientists too? It's not like any of them believe in it anyways.
10:07 PM on 03/27/2012
Equally disturbing is the rise in the frequency and prominence of think-tank-sourced "opinions" showing up in the Canadian media -- taking the place of real scientific opinion. Ethical Oil comes to mind. They don't seem to suffer the same barriers as the scientists. In fact, the opposite seems to be at play here.

Friends with Benefits: The Harper Government, EthicalOil.org and Sun Media Connection
http://www.desmogblog.com/friends-benefits-harper-government-ethicaloil-org-and-sun-media-connection
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08:57 PM on 03/27/2012
Everybody is free
to share
their science
with others...
for
free.
01:25 PM on 03/27/2012
An interesting article on Mr. Harper's 'mission' to undermine science and environmentalism:

http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2012/03/26/Harper-Evangelical-Mission/?utm_source=mondayheadlines&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=260312
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03:33 PM on 03/27/2012
Thanks for the link, how sad and scary for Canada.
I cannot wait for Harper to be gone from leadership.
04:40 PM on 03/27/2012
You might have a very long wait.
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ProgressiveCDN
A Progressive Moderate
12:59 PM on 03/27/2012
How is this even legal?
Is there not a right to free speech?
Are these scientists not paid by us, the taxpayers? Therefore, we should be free to hear their opinions any time any day.... This is disgusting

Another disturbing story being swept under the rug by our Harper dictatorship... This theocratic bunch don't even trust in science, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised
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YankinCanada
Two opposing idealogues walk into a liberal bar...
03:23 PM on 03/27/2012
I can't help but think that any opposition MP is capable of asking anyone anything....and bringing the findings to Parliament. Crime bill? Ask a criminalogist and quote him/her. Climate change, same thing.....force the media to interview the scientist or explain why they can't.....in an ideal world....
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ProgressiveCDN
A Progressive Moderate
03:46 PM on 03/27/2012
Yea, no kidding. It's as if gaining access to any critical or dissenting information is tantamount to treason
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Tyler Austin
Women = people. Corperations ≠ people.
05:11 PM on 03/28/2012
Ya, but Canadians don't pay attention to Parliment andhte Conservatives always vote on party lines as herr BossHawg tells them to.
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Tyler Austin
Women = people. Corperations ≠ people.
05:10 PM on 03/28/2012
Actually we don't have a right to freespeach in Canada.
Between this and the G-20 police attack I think we need to enshrine it in law.

Campaign promise Grits, Dippers?
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ProgressiveCDN
A Progressive Moderate
09:40 PM on 03/28/2012
I guess there's no constitutional right, but we do pay there salaries so we deserve their info
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hunted
12:55 PM on 03/27/2012
How can a group of people who believe the world is 6000 years old be expected to understand science? If we can't hear it they hope it will go away.
03:05 PM on 03/27/2012
Hardly any Christians believe that, a tiny minority, at best.
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BCSLAVE
Got a key?
11:27 PM on 03/27/2012
I bet Harper's does
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04:09 PM on 03/27/2012
I believe in Santa Claus.
12:35 PM on 03/27/2012
How about the disappearing bee mystery? No mystery it's caused by the use of systemic pesticides. Canada's scientists know about that also but they're gagged.
12:41 PM on 03/27/2012
Or, the bee population could be cyclical, like many insects, plants, and fauna.

That info is scientifically proven, ask around.
12:55 PM on 03/27/2012
No, I'm talking about the honey industry. The commercial hive is built and maintained independent of the natural cycles of nature. The widespread decrease in the commercial bee population is caused by systemic pesticides first used on potatoes then moved into other crop production. The North American "mystery" is no such thing. Don't worry almost all our food counts on pollination and as long as the big chem companies are rolling in dough we'll be fine.
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04:20 PM on 03/27/2012
Not, we have a bee hobby farm, we get "Communication letter-bee magazine "
from the government, there are some problems with the mites, but let me tell
we make- THEY make hell of a good honey.
06:48 PM on 03/27/2012
Excellent. I have a four hives and enjoy them quite a bit. Have you watched "Vanishing of the Bees"? It is quite eye opening.
12:17 PM on 03/27/2012
Lets see, the Government employees approx 1o,000 scientists, I suspect there are a few crackpots in the 10,000, should we let all speak with the press, Im sure you will get, at least 1000 different views. I suggest letting the people who's responsibility to communicate with others be responsible for that.
05:10 PM on 03/27/2012
Yeah... the scientists that actually get hired by the government have to have their projects approved- so I'm going to have to say you're way off base with this one.
10:56 PM on 03/27/2012
Have never worked for Gvt so dont know, but in private industry there is a specific spokesperson and/or group who are responsible to communicate to the press. This in industry is to prevent mixed messages and the wrong message.
I just thought with 400,000 employees it wouldnt make sense to have anyone who wanted to speaking to the press with their thoughts and beliefs go ahead and do it. I would think it would be chaos, but again I have never worked in Government,
12:09 PM on 03/27/2012
My understanding is the worst city is Sarnia, followed closely by Montreal. These are the worst, no reason that Montreal especially(not that much industry) should be so high.
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11:57 AM on 03/27/2012
it's 1984 again!
12:28 PM on 03/27/2012
That would make me 26 yrs old.

I don't feel like I'm 26. Maybe 33.
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Midnight Toker
11:54 AM on 03/27/2012
'' It expresses all greenhouse gases emissions in terms of the global warming potential of carbon dioxide, CO2.''
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SCAM!!!
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Add In Canadia
Egotism is a weakness
11:49 AM on 03/27/2012
I'm not quite sure what to make of this, past an acknowledgement that it's a loophole around freedom and access of information.

Are the scientific publications held under lock and key? No they're made public.
Are the scientists themselves not allowed to speak to the media? They have to jump through hoops designed to ensure there's about a month lag-time after they've published their findings, but they're still allowed to speak to the media.
Does the media have access to both the publications and the scientists themselves at the same time? Technically yes.

It's hard for me to view this as an act of muzzling, since no one is really being silenced. I view it more of exploiting the nature of the media to scream out SQUIRREL! 24 hours after a story has dropped, and we never hear from whatever they were covering ever again.

There's nothing to prevent the media from doing follow up stories, and the main complaint is basically "Well the public got bored of that story?" Even if the government is placing hurdles for information to get out, it's still sort of the media's responsibility to do follow ups on important issues.

I'm kinda left with "The Government is being asinine, and the Media is being lazy."
05:13 PM on 03/27/2012
I don't disagree with you, in fact I enjoyed your post, but you have to admit that if real scientists aren't being used in science news stories as experts, because of the delay for media requests, then how can any media story on the subject be accurate?
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05:33 PM on 03/27/2012
Well they could sit on the story for whatever it time to take to clear an interview. Most in-depth reporting and documentaries tend to sit on a story until all the details are hammered out so a proper story can be presented. Additionally, it sends a powerful message to the viewer if the person who put together the piece goes "We attempted to contact this scientist, but we were barred by the government from doing so."

In a sense the media are shooting themselves in the foot by wanting to get the 'scoop' on information release, and end up having nothing of substance to report. The most notable example I can think of was when Sarah Palin's e-mails were released and there was this huge media frenzy over absolutely nothing. There definitely is a media culture of "information NOW."

Another problem with the media is they like to spin scientific results for their own means, like the climate change issue in where you seldom hear from the scientists themselves; and they only refer to studies. Or worse yet, talk to the 3% who disagree with the other 97%.

That all said, our government really should be relax the restrictions on scientists; I do agree that the information they publish flies under the radar because there's no one to decipher and present the material that is meaningful and relevant to the layman.
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11:22 AM on 03/27/2012
Mr. Martin and Mr. Chretien dismissed -fired - muzzled all Scientist from the FARM Agriculture Canada. Best research was done there, World wide- well known, now it is museum.
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albertarick
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11:39 AM on 03/27/2012
So this terrible behavior should be continued under Harper?
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11:47 AM on 03/27/2012
NOT one thing new here.....
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DirkNeptune
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12:05 PM on 03/27/2012
Can you please provide a link to a story about this?
11:06 AM on 03/27/2012
And the lies and thievery in this country will not change!! Harper the control freak needs to be ousted!
12:30 PM on 03/27/2012
Go ahead and try.

Maybe occupy something.
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haddanuff
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10:16 AM on 03/27/2012
There once was a time when government belonged to the people and was answerable to the people.
When my money pays for this research then I should be privy to the information therein.
11:28 AM on 03/27/2012
Your money pays for CSIS, as well.

Does the public have the right to all of that information, as well? Cuz if you do, all other countries know it, too.

Your money pays for top-secret research, for a reason.
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haddanuff
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11:48 AM on 03/27/2012
Good point.

We don't want those damn foreigners torturing our salmon for information.
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Donnerskinde
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12:29 PM on 03/27/2012
How is environmental or fisheries studies information top secret. Harley you are bound and determined to expose your idiocy every chance you get aren't you.