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Justin Trudeau Rejects Merger With NDP, Won't 'Turn Away' From Eventual Leadership Run

Posted: 03/31/2012 12:50 pm Updated: 03/31/2012 12:52 pm

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Justin Trudeau won't rule out an eventual bid to become prime minister of Canada by going after the job of Liberal leader. (CP)

Now that the NDP convention has wrapped, the Liberal leadership race is set to catch fire. But even after Canada’s two opposition parties have leaders, Liberal scion Justin Trudeau doesn’t see them coming together the way the right united last decade.

“You have two parties that are simply ideologically based, whether it’s a party on the left or a party on the right,” Trudeau told The Huffington Post during an interview a few weeks ago at the We Day youth rally in Montreal. “The NDP and the Conservatives both function with an ideological positioning to motivate a whole bunch of very strong activists to vote against something -- and the mainstream is in very much a cynical mode where people like to vote against something. The Liberal party’s difficulty is we’re not really encouraging people to vote against something or an ideology so much as to trying to vote for something, trying to vote for a set of solutions that bring in economic responsibility with social justice and opportunity for all.

“You have to believe that government can play a role in building something if you’re going to vote for a party that is not positioning itself as the opposite of something else,” he continues. “So I think that’s where there’s been a dip in the Liberal party.”

As for the argument that the NDP and Liberals split the vote of a majority of Canadians, thus ensuring the Conservatives’ electoral victory, Trudeau is not buying it.

“I don’t think there’s going to be a need to unite the so-called left. I see over the next three years Canadians will make a choice between who they want of the different parties that have a chance to replace Stephen Harper -- and people aren’t going to misfire this time,” he says, dismissing the electoral math that drove the Reform Party and the Progressive Conservatives together in 2003.

“You have to understand that the Reform was not a different party from the Conservatives -- it was people who were dissatisfied with the Conservatives in this country, broke off and then 20 years later came back together when they got to take over the party. That’s a very, very different path than where the Liberal party and NDP come from, so it’s a very, very different thing to unite those two bases. I’m all for working together and the Liberal party and the NDP have always said, ‘Look, when we form government, whichever one it is, we will work with all parties to try and pass the right things for Canadians.’ But will a formal alliance work? I just don’t see it."

So what makes Trudeau so sure that progressive Canadians will rise up in enough numbers in the next election to vote the Conservatives out of office despite a two against one race? He says the cynicism he credits for Harper’s election will recede.

“People don’t believe in government to do the right thing or to deal with any big issues, so if you’re choosing between people who you don’t think are going to do a very good job you might as well pick the person who you think is going to at least be minimal in his impact. ‘Stephen Harper doesn’t have any big plans, he just wants to run a strong economy’ was the perception people had. Now that he has his majority, people are a little more concerned about some of the ideologies and some of the directions he’s bringing the country in. I think that’s allowing us to have an awakening that you can’t sort of sit back and expect that things will unfold as they should in Canada. People have to take their role seriously and make their voices heard and let people know when they’re unhappy with their government.”

Though Trudeau is lacing on the gloves in a literal boxing match with Tory Senator Patrick Brazeau, he has declined to put his own hat in the metaphorical ring for the Liberal leadership. Not that his decision has quelled the widespread belief that Pierre Trudeau’s son will eventually take on the mantle.

“I’m not in politics because I want my name on the door. I’m in politics because it’s a powerful way for me of making a difference. I can make a strong difference as an MP, I can make a bigger difference if I was on the government side and a bigger difference if I was in the ministry and even bigger difference if I was the prime minister of Canada. I’m not going to turn away from any of those tools, but that’s not the point of the game for me. For me to focus on some eventual finish line would be a pretty good guarantee that I’m not doing the kind of work that I need to be doing right now.”

Still, don’t expect the Liberal’s celebrity MP to stay out of the spotlight, even without a leadership run this year.

“I don’t believe in treading a safe road. I like Martin Sheen’s story about coming to the pearly gates and St. Peter asking ‘where are your scars? Well then, there mustn’t have been something worth fighting for.’ I have a lot of scars, I have recent scars and I will keep accumulating them because I say what I think and I fight for what I believe in. Sometimes it’s messy, sometimes it’s sloppy and a lot of times it upsets people, but I believe in this country and I believe the biggest challenge we’re facing beyond the environment, beyond poverty, beyond economic challenges, beyond global issues, beyond conflict and war is the cynicism and disenfranchisement of citizens that prevents politicians from being able to tackle all those issues in a real meaningful way.

“If people step up and get involved, everything else becomes possible.”

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Now that the NDP convention has wrapped, the Liberal leadership race is set to catch fire. But even after Canada’s two opposition parties have leaders, Liberal scion Justin Trudeau doesn’t see the...
Now that the NDP convention has wrapped, the Liberal leadership race is set to catch fire. But even after Canada’s two opposition parties have leaders, Liberal scion Justin Trudeau doesn’t see the...
 
 
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08:17 PM on 04/03/2012
No thanks, I'm rather enjoying Harper as PM.
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okgranny
Egalitarian by birth
01:02 AM on 04/03/2012
Although, I don't usually condone violence, I must say watching Justin beat the crap out of the CRAP warms the cockles of my heart. May it be a harbinger of things to come.
Public Inquiry into election fraud now!
10:04 PM on 04/02/2012
Has this guy ever said anything that is in the slightest intelligent or articulate?
Has he ever written a line, God forbid?

What qualifies him even to be in Paliament?
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Liz Wilson 2
“a small group can change the world
03:07 PM on 04/03/2012
When we put away our foggy glasses, ear plugs, and brain numbing allegiance to the party, its much easier to recognise things for what they are. Trudeau is a young, intelligent, passionate, articulate Canadian who can speak freely without having to wait for the PMO talking points.

Although, in all fairness to Harper when you consider some of the really stupid things said and done by the likes of Anders and Breitkruez you can't blame him for not letting them speak in the house.
04:01 PM on 04/03/2012
TO Liz Wilson 2:

GET A CV, JUSTIN

I know many people who may be described as bright, articulate and passionate.
When you want to be PM of a huge and difficult country such as Canada, you have to have a CV, and not just a patrician name.

As much as I admired P. E. Trudeau, a brilliant law professor, journalist, world traveller, orator, I have difficulty detecting the slightest quality in Justin that by any stretch of imagination would qualify him for the most powerful job in Canada.

This guy has never said anything memorable on a subject of general interest, he has never published a line. He will certainly be remembred for his boxing stunt: but that is ludicrous.

Justin, have someone write a book for you - or at least an article.
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09:03 PM on 04/02/2012
Please, please please choose Justin as leader of the third party.Now that the last hope of the NDP is gone (RIP) this would mean that the Ignatieff curse would guarantee a conservative majority for years to come.
thediamond0000
as above, so below.
07:15 PM on 04/02/2012
With Justin as the Leader of the Liberals, Id trade in my NDP Membership card in an instant, now that Jack's gone, Hes the only man I see fit to run this beautiful country.
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Liz Wilson 2
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03:11 PM on 04/03/2012
Jack wasn't a one man party and I think Justin could be a good leader. At least we have two parties that can be trusted with democracy
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11:47 AM on 04/02/2012
@Ansdlmol: that’s NDP, the New Democratic PARTY not New Democratic Party Party.

As for Trudeau the father, some progressive. I was around in the late 70s/80s. He brought in Wage and Price controls that were only wage controls, and raised interest rates so high we have a deficit that is almost entirely the result of HIS polices. Linda McQuaig has documented this repeatedly. The economy could have absorbed higher inflation resulting in less debt and lower unemployment, but Trudeau deliberately ignored this.

Trudeau refused to borrow from the Bank of Canada. Successive Lib/Tory governments have done so as well. We are now in an era where we need "austerity budgets" to pay back privately owned capital, at the risk of being down graded by neo-liberal "credit rating" agencies". THAT is Trudeau's real legacy.

The only Trudeau opposition was the NDP who warned the Trudeau legacy would be what we have today. The latest example of Lib governance was the Martin budget. It reduced government 15%, lowered corporate taxes to 18% with the goal of 15%, hacked and slashed EI (after renaming it to the Orwellian "Employment Insurance") and implemented the social contract undermining HST. Nope, the Libs will always talk left, and then govern right. We have 30 plus years history proving this.

The Lib boosters of Trudeau want us to fall for their tired old chestnut the Libs and Trudeau Jr. will protect the Canadian social contract. Don't believe it; give your heads a shake!
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MJinCanada
Safe from zombies until my 2nd cup of coffee
02:59 PM on 04/02/2012
What an amazingly fact-free post. I was around in the 1970s and 80s too and I remember conservatives wouldn't rally behind an honest and thoughtful man like Bob Stanfield.

The current debt is all Trudeau's fault? WTF, guy? Look at the graphs at the bottom of this article.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/03/21/graphic-50-years-of-canadian-debt/

Trudeau (1968-1979) kept the debt low. The increase during his final term came because of the oil crisis. You won't find a country in the world outside of OPEC that didn't build a little debt in the late 70s, early 80s.

And the graphs show conclusively: Conservatives increase the debt, Liberals pay it down.
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07:46 PM on 04/02/2012
WTF eh? I didn't say Trudeau was solely to blame. Trudeau needlessly kept interest rates high, and people needlessly unemployed. He choose to borrow on the private market instead of exploiting the capacity of the Bank of Canada. We are still paying in the lost capcity and growth Trudeau's policies caused. McQuaig has written about the real Lib goverance record. Don't tell me about fact free prose, read McQuaig.

Stanfield, blah, blah, greatest PM that never was, blah, blah. Get over it.

You ignored my argument. Libs pay off debt alright, on the backs of the poor, the elderly, working men and women, and the middle class. I detailed above the real Martin record. Martin could have paid down the debt through normal growth, but being a creature of Bay Street, he jumped at their beck and call. The Canadian Center for Policy Alternatives, in "Come Hell or High Water", details the excesses of the Martin and Liberal approach, and its harmful effects on ordinary Canadians.

If Lib governance was so succesfull, explain an almost wealth gap rising child poverty, and stagnant wages over the last 30 plus years, years strangely including periods of Lib governance? I know, that is Tory's fault. Between you guys and the Tories, you have created a society crippled by econonmic disparity, lack of opportunity, awash on the sea of global capitalism. Its obviously easy extolling the Lib record when you're congnatively disassociate yoursellf from the economic reality of the society you created.

WTF indeed.
10:18 AM on 04/02/2012
Just what we need, another Trudeau as a PM -- except this one inherited the smarts of his Mom, not his Dad.
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01:01 AM on 04/03/2012
So says Peter Worthington of the Murdoch cabal. I can't begin to know who's smarts Justin inherited but even so, who says Margaret Trudeau is not intelligent?
03:10 PM on 04/03/2012
Intelligence people usually don't say yes to passers-by, if you know what I mean
09:58 AM on 04/02/2012
I won an exhibiton boxing match now I want to be PM!Progressive thinking Shiny Pony!
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Liz Wilson 2
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03:34 PM on 04/03/2012
I saw a lot of really good leadership qualities in Trudeau during the fight
- first he didnt go in with the intention of winning he went in to raise funds for Cancer,
- second when, in what is becoming true tory tactics, instead of - Peter MacKay - they decided to take the challenge and send in what they thought was a ringer.
- third - Trudeau, in all likelihood, didn't think he could beat Brazeau or at least not easily but Trudeau did not back away and just worked harder.
- when the fight was over, Trudeau remained respectful of his opponent and didnt try to make this a personal issue

He could be a leader.
05:16 AM on 04/07/2012
Sorry guess three minutes in a boxing ring with a non-boxer gives you the key to the PMS office, how silly of me to think otherwise
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john frodo
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09:38 AM on 04/02/2012
Food for thought, GWB Bush, Justin is a God compared to him.
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J Rupel
"Let the lamp affix its beam..."
12:48 PM on 04/01/2012
Dumb haircut. Awful tattoos.
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02:29 PM on 04/01/2012
It's always best to judge somebody based on their appearance rather than on their character and ideas.
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J Rupel
"Let the lamp affix its beam..."
02:50 PM on 04/01/2012
It's not always best, but it is always easier. This man thought a tattoo of a big red circle with a line under it was a good idea. I'm an American, so I'm not going to bother to find out his position on igloo taxes or polar bear abortions or whatever the hot-button political issues are up in Canady. His stance on tattoos is enough for me to conclude that he is wrong about life, and living, even without knowing a single thing about his "character" and "ideas."
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MJinCanada
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03:01 PM on 04/02/2012
Whom are you referring to?

I think both men have rather tasteful tattoos of First Nations art.
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Ergon
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11:52 AM on 04/01/2012
Canada welcomed me 42 years ago and I was so proud to have Pierre Trudeau as my PM, and always voted Liberal. 

But it was the Liberal party that left me, as it backstabbed PM Jean Chretien and elected Paul Martin and the hopeless Dion and Ignatieff, so I joined the NDP. Jack Layton represented everything I stood for, but his sad death leaves me wondering, which party would be best for Canada? I'd never vote conservative, and the NDP's Thomas Mulcair? I don't trust him, sorry. He's a "neo-liberal".

I wish the Liberal Party would get its act together. Bob Rae would be a disaster, imho. 

I hope that Justin Trudeau, and if not him, then someone could articulate what the Liberal Party can do to reverse the many years of damage done to this country by the neo-cons. I look forward to that debate.
12:58 PM on 04/01/2012
I look forward to a dream world where all three parties work together for the benefit of Canadians instead of being ideologues pushing their various visions on to everyone else.
Although he has to prove himself, Mulcair may be the first person for years that brings in elements of all three parties. Time will tell.
I am not sure if I could vote for Bob Rae either. He isn't vicious enough to go up against the Harper government.
Trudeau is too young in my opinion to consider at this point in time but I think he is another very decent person with a lot of inner strength.

The next three years will be very interesting.
09:55 AM on 04/02/2012
Great Post!
11:01 AM on 04/01/2012
Lol, they were floating that balloon decades ago!
10:44 AM on 04/01/2012
His father defined us as Canadians in the world. There wasn't a place Canadians could go that they were not respected. I remember sitting in a restaurant eating Greta's baked chicken in Cadaques, Spain. The owner brought her daughter to the table to meet her patrons from Canada. Her response was, "Oh, you are so fortunate." Justin Trudeau obviously shares his father's visions. I'm in.
02:03 PM on 04/01/2012
Different times, different people. Other than personal charm, I am yet to see Mr. Trudeau Jr. do anything which would define him as a potential leader. Winning a boxing match, even for a good cause, simply doesn't do the trick!
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10:26 AM on 04/02/2012
Time will tell, with all the defaming going on about Justin it's amazing he has any supporters...He's not his Father, Pierre swore off politics because it was getting too crazy. Hopefully Justin will do enough good to convince people the Liberal Party needs to go back to it's 70's roots..
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05:24 PM on 04/03/2012
Yeah he is good looking and dresses well (if your into the car salesman crossed with a Johnny Depp look). I'm in too. Hey, isn't that how Obama got elected?
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04:21 AM on 04/01/2012
Part 2. Sorry I posted prematurely.

Reading this article, and listening to Justin's analysis, I have to suspect that the apple of political brilliance has not fallen far from the tree. Justin Trudeau is walking in some large footprints, but he is filling them more day by day. He has vision, and today he proved he has courage, and he is easing into the role of personifying Canada. I have been a Dipper pretty much since the day I crossed the borderline and had a chance to listen to Dave Barrett speak, and I have never voted Liberal, but Political Parties are shaped by their opposition and I believe that the shape that Justin Trudeau is going to force on the Canadian political scene over the next twenty or thirty years will be immense. He will be a worthy opponent, and will create worthy adversaries.
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SiameseTrainer
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03:50 AM on 04/01/2012
Wow! Great article. I admired this young man's father, I admired his courage and commitment. I admired his courage because he stood up to Richard Nixon and the entire US Military, and some parts of Canadian Political Society, to give sanctuary to myself and a hundred or so thousand of my brother deserters and draft resisters. I admired him for his pirouettes and mock curtsies, fug offs and fingers, it was obvious that he was there not for the job, but to fulfill his vision. I was forced to admire his courage AND his commitment to Canada when he invoked the War Measures Act even though it cost me personal grief and its invocation was totally opposed to my anti-militaristic view of the world. Iron will in a velvet glove. He succeeded because it was the power of his vision, and not the vision of his power, that drove him. He personified Canada.
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Ergon
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11:54 AM on 04/01/2012
Thank you. F&F'd.
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Ergon
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12:02 PM on 04/01/2012
I should add: it ended up as a choice for me, go to the U.S. where I might be drafted for the Vietnam War, or, Canada. I choose Canada, and will always be glad I did. It still is, for all the years of misrule, the best country in the world.