Ontario To Consider Hearings Into OAS Changes

Old Age Security Changes Ontario Hearing

First Posted: 03/31/2012 6:31 pm Updated: 04/ 3/2012 8:24 am


Ontario Finance Minister Dwight Duncan thinks his federal counterpart should leave public attacks aside and instead focus on working together with Ontarians.


In an interview airing Saturday on CBC Radio's The House, federal Finance Minister Jim Flaherty told host Evan Solomon that Ontario is a "badly managed province, it's been mismanaged for eight or nine years now."


Flaherty repeated those comments throughout the day on Friday, in other media interviews, and again during a speech to the Canadian Club of Toronto.


The luncheon speech was touted as an opportunity for Flaherty to promote the budget he had tabled the day before, which he did — but not without criticizing the Ontario government for its own recent budget and its fiscal track record since Liberal Dalton McGuinty took over the premier's office.


When asked to comment on Flaherty's attacks against him, Duncan told Solomon, "I don't know what prompts Mr. Flaherty to have these little temper-tantrums."


"I think we should leave these little fights aside and work together the way we did during the downturn. I think that's what Canadians and Ontarians expect," Duncan said.


Impact of federal changes on the provinces


Proposed changes to Old Age Security and the federal guaranteed income supplement will mean that some seniors will have to turn to the provinces for additional social assistance starting in 2023.


Duncan told Solomon, "I'm thinking we may even have hearings across the province to get people's input into these changes."


When Solomon asked Duncan whether there was already a system in place to compensate the provinces, Duncan said "no."


Flaherty conceded "it is a long way out," but the federal government "will compensate the provinces for costs they would not have otherwise incurred if we had not changed the age of eligibility."


"We have made the commitment in the budget, in writing, explicitly," Flaherty said.


Duncan told Solomon that what worries Ontario is "the hamfisted approach to jails, where they are not providing us with compensation, forcing additional costs in what I would largely call a very political step."


Duncan has been critical of the federal government's controversial omnibus crime bill, which would see the provinces foot the bill for the building of new prisons.


Ontario has estimated Bill C-10 will cost the province up to $1-billion in prison costs alone.


NDP denounces proposed changes to OAS


New Democratic Leader Tom Mulcair also denounced the proposed changes to what he called "people's retirement incomes."


Mulcair told Solomon that the work done by Kevin Page, the parliamentary budget officer, "demonstrated clearly that the system was sustainable."


Raising the age of eligibility means the Conservatives are "taking money out of people's pockets, money they had counted on to retire," the Opposition leader said. "You're going to go on welfare. That's what the Conservatives are telling Canadians who are working hard all of their lives."


Flaherty said "this has nothing to do with pensions. The Canada Pension Plan is stable and solid for the next 75 years. This is a social program funded by Canadian taxpayers."


"We want to make sure that it is sustainable, that it exists in the future, and by bumping the age of eligibility we can be assured that that will happen," Flaherty said.


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02:39 PM on 04/02/2012
all of us in Ontario have temper-tantrums, bad case of it.
10:58 AM on 04/01/2012
I actually listened to this interview. Seems like the Liberal Party's rhetoric is moving more and more towards what Americans have to hear from the Republicans. "Temper tantrums"? Really? I listened to the Flaherty interview too and there was no "temper tantrum," just a jab at Duncan's performence - which, I say as an Ontarian, deserves to get jabbed.

It would be great if Duncan could actually speak to the financial issues and do his job instead of just personally attacking everyone who's not on his team.
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Mike vdB
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01:56 PM on 04/01/2012
Mr. Flaherty should stick to what he knows best and that is his own budget. He is not in a position to be making jabs at any provincial counterpart. When he has balanced his own budget and paid off the billions that have been added to the debt, then maybe he can talk.
03:18 PM on 04/01/2012
u mean the same flaherty that PROMISED to NEVER put Canada into a deficit?

that's the guy that "knows his own budget" ?

Flaherty is nothing but a bag man for the Harpo mafia
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piceaglauca
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10:11 AM on 04/01/2012
Flaherty still doesn't have the right agenda for his political woes. Firstly, he flitted aboutthe country (two years ago) asking questions in related to the CPP. Further to this he learned Canadians were not saving enough for their retirement. Paralleling this matter it has been pointed out that defined pension plans both public and private were in decline. Realizing this the best he has come up with is a private pension plan that people can opt into, no improvement on the CPP plan and that people will have to just work longer as proven by the recent budget and the OAS. Secondly, Flaherrty has maintained steady supportive contact with the B of C and Mark Carney to keep interest rates low and has been in support of major banks contniuing to offer low mortgage rates. This combined with credit card debt tells us he is little concerned about balancing any budget. His relationship withthe provinces is akward to say the least. One should realize Ontario and New Brunswick are sinking ships. Quebec is already in the abyss. Flaherty can either help Canadians by imposing new regulations governing retirement options, along with new mortgage rules and credit card limits or be prepared to bail out more of the provinces debt through transfer payments towards social assistance obviously forthcoming as the population ages.
10:06 AM on 04/01/2012
Impact of federal changes on the provinces

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So what are the impacts to Ontario,

Well based on the last few budgets, things will get better as the CPC have increased transfers to ontario from $11.128 billion to $19.546 billion or the transfer are 57.0% higher then under the LPC and the CPC has been increasing the per capitial spending from $889.0 per person to $14,446 per person in Ontario.
10:00 AM on 04/01/2012
At the end of the day, Canadians ended up with what can be be discribed as a fiscal Liberal Budget from Ottawa that reduces the deficit, with the Conservatives maintaining the social contract for healthcare, Education and social transfer by increasing the funding to the provinces by $59.0 billion

In Ontarion under Duncan and the Liberals, we ended up with a budget that the Liberals ran against 8 years ago.

The Liberal (I will not raise taxes) McGiunity budget, exclusive of the many tax increase they have layered into the budget.

Can best be discribed as a Conservative one in Ontario, where welfare rates are frozen, where there will be means test to the elderly, school closures, program cuts by not extending funding at a rate equal to inflation, wage freezes to the Public sector unions, or as you will a Mike harris lite budget.
09:57 AM on 04/01/2012
The wannabe neocon Tories would rather buy F-35 lemons from their friends in the Military-Industrial complex than afford senior citizens a decent OAS.

Something to remember when they get all teary-eyed and harp on 'compassionate conservatism'. Corporate cronyism is more like it.
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10:35 AM on 04/01/2012
The OAS Act written in 1951 and enacted in January of 1952 was to replace the Annuties Act of 1908. The Annuties Act implemented to offer retirement money to workers, mainly farmers who spent mot of their time on the land had little time to save for retirement. This included other raw resource based industries. The Annuities program failed as most could not afford to put money ino the plan. The outcome of it was the OAS which applied to all 18 years of age and overat 70 years would receive $40 per month or $480 per year. When the Canada Pension Plan was introduced in 1966 the benefits of the OAS were changed. The age was lowered to 65. Previous to that and noted was the fact that the OAS monthly pay out was only 50% of a working wage. To off set this in 1967 the supplement was introduced. Obviously no one contributed to the CPP before 1966 so there was only the OAS and in 1967 the supplement for those 65 and older. I'm saying this to show the desparity between working Canadian income and the cost of what we spend as you point out. The fact is the government is not addressing the income problem of Canadians, particularly those in need now. Note indexing done annually is now done quarterly,
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piceaglauca
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10:41 AM on 04/01/2012
Although Aborignals were excluded they now (1988) can receive if they earn money on a reserve and contribute. The best example of neo-conservatism flip flop in Solange Denis over de-indexing by Mulroney which failed. In 1989 a partial claw back began with a threshold of $53 000 approximately. It is been adjusted ever since. In conclusion of thes points, the OAS is only a support, not an income and the CPP is also a support. This allows the quality of life to be adjusted. No one will get rich receiving them but no one will go hungary either. As for the well off they shouldn't receive them since the claw back principle applies. If you know someone who is report them.
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Mike Keohane
02:31 AM on 04/01/2012
What does Mulcair mean when he says "You're going to on on welfare"? OAS is welfare.
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gravescanada
04:49 AM on 04/01/2012
Wrong. The Old Age Security program is one of the cornerstones of Canada's retirement income system. Benefits include the basic Old Age Security pension, the Guaranteed Income Supplement, the Allowance, and the Allowance for the Survivor. After briefly describing the program's history and overall features, each of the specific benefits is described in turn.

http://www.servicecanada.gc.ca/eng/isp/oas/oasoverview.shtml
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BCSLAVE
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06:47 AM on 05/20/2012
Seniors 65 to 66 who cannot work and or are destitute will be forced to line up with people who refuse to work and apply for a handout. Tragedy is they are denied the benefits they paid their whole life into and expected to get at 65 but now must wait until they reach 67 years of age. That is of course Harper doesn't raise it again to 70 which is a possibility since he actually wants seniors to work until death.
Dinsdale Pirahna
"lookin' out the 'ole in the wall"
12:41 AM on 04/01/2012
Mulcair against Flaherty, 3 rounds, olympic rules, I'll pay $500 for that one. Please?
12:26 AM on 04/01/2012
The problem with these little gems foisted upon us by the Conservatives is that when comes to paying the actual bill it will be the Provinces which will either have to raise taxes or grow a larger deficit to meet this BS RefOOOOrm Agenda's. Why is it that no one is a little miffed about this MP's pension review and consultation non of course given to the Seniors of the Country but just the MP's. The concern should be if it goes the Way of the Ontario Pension SCAM they will wait until end of term check the prevailing wind and if they are going down they will offer to buy out the pensions for a substaintial sum like the Harris govenment did with Mr. Flarety. Millions of dollars given to MP's many who had only paid into the program for less than 1 term .
12:01 AM on 04/01/2012
Flaherty continually suffers from "little man" syndrome. Always puffing away trying to keep up with the big boys and get everyone's attention. Another bum boy of the Mike Harris disastrous era of management.
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robertmiller252
11:28 PM on 03/31/2012
Duncan is a little mad that Flaherty is telling the truth.
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djelimon17
what's this thing for?
11:33 PM on 03/31/2012
Yeah he sounded real mad.

"Cut the crap and let's work together" is practically a declaration of war
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robertmiller252
07:25 AM on 04/01/2012
To translate that into Liberal means, shut up and give us more money.
11:25 PM on 03/31/2012
What is Flaherty's problem? The Federal CONS are anti Ontario, especially because the liberals are in power. Im sure if the PCs were in power in Onatrio and ran it the EXACT same way, he would say all was peaches and cream. It's just partisan ridiculousness. I don't hear McGuinty telling Flaherty he messed everything up federally. Flaherty is trying to divide us, not unite us. The people of Ontario should realize the CONS, federally are anti Ontario.
12:02 AM on 04/01/2012
Wasn't Flaherty a cast off from the Mike Harris scam of a government?
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piceaglauca
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10:43 AM on 04/01/2012
Neo - Liberalism (neo conservatism) exists too. The time of Thatcher and Reagan are still with us
georgee2
My Canada Includes Everyone
11:10 PM on 03/31/2012
Why are the conservatives so angry ALL THE TIME!!!! They have their majority why don't they try bring a real government. How can anyone vote for these people?
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Francmon
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09:14 AM on 04/01/2012
They are angry because their reshaping of Canada meets resistance everywhere (lExcept Alberta???) Harperites are not in power to govern Canada, but to FIRST completely CHANGE OUR VALUES and THEN govern what they will have done to our country. And yes, someone has elected them to power, but without first checking if they are qualified to do so. That will result in 3 more years of blatant incompetence, total disrespect for democracy and barely concealed distorted views of what they think Canada should become.
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djelimon17
what's this thing for?
10:03 PM on 03/31/2012
He's still upset that Ontario didn't forgive the actual deaths caused by the Harris/Eves gang.
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09:28 PM on 03/31/2012
There are a lot of issues here and no clear victory for either side of the problem. Has Ontario been mismanaged? I think it has, just look at the wastefull dead end programs the Liberals have forced on us and the money they have squandered over the last 2 terms. Does Flaherty have any right to criticise? Not if he is still bent on those pricey F 35s his government is so in love with. Would his wife's provincial Conservative party ( maybe a little partisanship at work here Jimbo?) be any better in power in Ont and balance the budget? Unlikely as the crime bill will eat up a lot of savings and the tax base has gone to off shore jobs. Overall, a combination of provincial mismanagement, federal government cost transfers, political callousness and loss of jobs caused by both levels (G A T T , N A F T A, Hydro rates, Etc.) has doomed this province to a restructuring and economic downturn that is going to last a long long time. From my point of view boys, A pox on both your houses and may all your offspring be forced to compete for jobs with the rest of us in the economy you have both contributed to making. Maybe if the hurt hit close to home, you might start to recognize it.