Attawapiskat To Keep Court Date With Federal Government Even After Plan To Withdraw Third-Party Manager

Posted: 04/ 6/2012 10:32 pm Updated: 04/ 7/2012 1:29 pm

ATTAWAPISKAT, Ont. - The Attawapiskat First Nation says it won't drop legal action against the federal government over the appointment of a third-party manager to handle the band's finances.

That's despite the fact the government announced on Thursday that Jacques Marion is being withdrawn by April 19.

The government indicated Thursday it's satisfied with progress in the management of the reserve.

The band issued a news release Friday saying it welcomes the news, but still intends to proceed with legal action launched last year to try to block Marion's appointment.

The band's news release says it wants the courts to "refute" Prime Minister Stephen Harper's suggestion that the band mismanaged federal funds in the face of a housing crisis.

The community of 2,000 declared a state of emergency last October after a severe housing shortage forced more than two dozen families to live in temporary shelters, some without insulation or plumbing.

The band also wants the federal court to declare that Marion's appointment was unlawful _ a hearing is set for April 24.

Marion's appointment drew fierce criticism, the latest attack occurred last week when band officials accused them of failing to send money on time to students from the community who are studying off the reserve.

Marion was late sending the monthly allowance that many of the post-secondary students need for food, rent and expenses, aboriginal leaders said.

“The failure to pay post-secondary allowances to students at a critical time in their studies was simply the latest in a series of failures by the Third Party Manager to administer the First Nation’s funding responsibly” Chief Theresa Spence said in the release.

Aboriginal Affairs Minister John Duncan announced earlier Thursday that the money is now in the students' accounts, but critics had said it didn't flow quickly enough.

Government officials said Thursday that Marion was not being withdrawn because he had done a bad job, but due to the fact the band had done a good job in improving the health and safety conditions that had required the outside control in the first place.

They said the 25 families affected by the housing crisis were now living in better conditions.

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albertarick
These are questions for wise men with skinny arms
04:22 PM on 04/10/2012
I find it irreconcilable that the same people who would defend ridiculous bonuses and salaries for CEO's of money losing corporations, because they had a contract of payment for services rendered. The Native Treaties are exactly that, contracts stipulating the compensation for the loss of lands, lifestyle, etc... Contracts that have paid off in spades to all non-Native Canadian people. The, idea that the Canadian Government can somehow back out of the deal is foolish, would end up in international court, and would be make us an international pariah on the level of Aparthied South Africa.
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TwoZeroOZ
01:22 AM on 04/10/2012
"1,549 people on the reserve. The township of Atikokan, near Thunder Bay, has 3,293 people.

In Atikokan, (the year ending in December 2009), the mayor’s salary was $7,713 with travel expenses of $4,268. The total cost to taxpayers under $12,000. Total salaries and expenses for Atikokan’s mayor and seven councillors was $46,691.

On the Attawapiskat reserve (year ending in March 2010) the chief’s salary alone was $51,803. In total, salaries for Attawapiskat’s chief, deputy chief and 18 councillors that year $386,129. With $28,535 in expenses, the total cost to taxpayers was $414,664. In the next fiscal year, that cost jumped to $615,552—a 48 per cent increase.

18 councilors - more than there are in some Canadian capital cities.
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Good to know
01:02 PM on 04/08/2012
Yes - that's right! The government should only fund NON-native schools, hospitals, community centres, child services and libraries. As well, infrastructure for roads, clean water and sewage systems should be funded only for NON-natives. Because NON-native politicians and leaders are NOT corrupt and NEVER abuse the system.
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Liz Wilson 2
“a small group can change the world
01:38 PM on 04/08/2012
case in point Peter MacKay, Clemment, and Harper (etc)
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robertmiller252
10:54 AM on 04/08/2012
I have a solution. Natives can have their self-government and not want to talk to Canada. In return, we will no longer fund any Band or community.
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Maxirules
06:21 PM on 04/09/2012
How about leaving their country too... And when you are it, how about leaving their continent too...
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robertmiller252
09:47 PM on 04/09/2012
Sorry. But it was neither their country or their continent. Some theorists suggest that all North American natives came across the ice from Russia to Alaska. So they possibly did not originate on this continent. They actually have just about the same right to claim the territory as theirs as others do.
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TwoZeroOZ
01:13 AM on 04/10/2012
It's a little silly to try and use that rationality.
Would you advocate that white people should ask all the other minorities to leave "our white land" because we simply came here before them? That's ridiculous. The fact that a some people have ancestors that were here before other people's ancestors doesn't give them any sort of special privilege to the land.

Most cultures today are there because they conquered someone somewhere at some point in history...
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teeleecee
I'm not who I think you think I am.
10:44 AM on 04/08/2012
With all due respect, that photograph shows clearly exactly what the problem is in native communities: people who do not want to do anything to help themselves. This is a picture of a f-at, ineffectual, greedy "leader" who wants to shove more and more and more into her piggy little trough. She's learned well from Canada's "leaders".
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Liz Wilson 2
“a small group can change the world
01:43 PM on 04/08/2012
with all due respect????

there was nothing respectful in this comment and you blow is below the belt, ugly, and completely mean spirited.

If someone within your bullying rant is a point you are trying to make it is lost in the bile.
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teeleecee
I'm not who I think you think I am.
02:58 PM on 04/08/2012
Oh, have no doubt that I was being sarcastic. There is no respect due, so none was given. Sorry you don't like the comment, but the reality is, if you're a glutton in one area of your life, chances are, you're a glutton elsewhere. Just saying. With all due respect.
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Maxirules
06:23 PM on 04/09/2012
They didn't have these problems before the Europeans arrived... Have you ever wondered that you might be the part (or maybe the root) of their problems?
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TwoZeroOZ
01:14 AM on 04/10/2012
Who's they?

I'm pretty sure Spence did not exist "before the Europeans arrived". In fact, I challenge you to find anyone at all that has lived that long...
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teeleecee
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01:40 PM on 04/14/2012
Absolutely the root. A paternalistic attitude that has engendered generations of dependents/dependence...I hear the root. I get the root. When does one move on?

Regarding her: I'm sorry, but there is no way someone can look at that woman and have any respect knowing she has turned a blind eye to the suffering of people she is privileged to serve. People have to move forward and cannot use the pathetic example of the "white" world's leadership to exploit the people they are paid to serve.
07:36 AM on 04/08/2012
"Still taking Feds to Court" says the headline! Read behind the lines, or headlines, our 'native bretherin' just want more of our/my hard earned $$$$$.
Let's remember the only money that the Federal Government has came from tax payers! The the people living on this reserve tax payers?????
I say not one penny more!
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Maxirules
06:26 PM on 04/09/2012
Yeah... And you are perfectly happy to plunder "their" resources... Shame on you... They were here before us. All the resources (Oil, water, grass lands, rivers, oceans, lakes, and minerals) are theirs. So you won't have all this money without them.
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TwoZeroOZ
01:16 AM on 04/10/2012
"They were here before us."
Whites were here before Mexicans, do you also go around telling Mexicans to get out of Canada because white's have more privilege to the resources than they do?

Ridiculous rationality.
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butchcliff
The future is unwritten
05:33 AM on 04/08/2012
Pic of the chief certainly doesn't look like she's living with hunger or in squalor.
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Liz Wilson 2
“a small group can change the world
01:40 PM on 04/08/2012
this kind of a remark is just so beyond ignorant.
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butchcliff
The future is unwritten
06:43 AM on 04/09/2012
Maybe her obvious weight gain is caused by depression over the fact that the media is uncovering the truth of her misappropriation of the band's funds.
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TwoZeroOZ
01:17 AM on 04/10/2012
It's not ignorant at all.

Spence spent over 10 million on the 20 people it takes to run the band.
20 people, 10 million.

Who's ignorant?
09:03 PM on 04/07/2012
"1,549 people on the reserve. The township of Atikokan, near Thunder Bay, has 3,293 people.

In Atikokan, (the year ending in December 2009), the mayor’s salary was $7,713 with travel expenses of $4,268. The total cost to taxpayers under $12,000. Total salaries and expenses for Atikokan’s mayor and seven councillors was $46,691.

On the Attawapiskat reserve (year ending in March 2010) the chief’s salary alone was $51,803. In total, salaries for Attawapiskat’s chief, deputy chief and 18 councillors that year $386,129. With $28,535 in expenses, the total cost to taxpayers was $414,664. In the next fiscal year, that cost jumped to $615,552—a 48 per cent increase.

18 councilors - more than there are in some Canadian capital cities.

(Lets hear how much each resident receives each year - enough to keep them in poverty?)

"Money is not the problem - how it is spent is"

http://www.fraserinstitute.org/publicationdisplay.aspx?id=2147484000
09:28 PM on 04/07/2012
If a house in on fire, the fire department doesn't sit there trying to figure out if someone misspent money that should have been spent on fire extinguishers and smoke alarms and investigate while children and families are burning alive. They rescue the people inside, put out the fire and then investigate.

Harper and his goons totally mismanaged this situation.
If they suspected there was a problem with funds, they should have went in and fixed everything and resolved the deplorable conditions and THEN launched their silly investigation or 3rd party management.
10:52 PM on 04/07/2012
I believe you have answered you own question.
I am assuming the fire department is within the community administered by the Chief and Council. They alone are responsible (as outrageously overpaid leaders) to look after everyone in the community instead of creating a have and have not community.

No one on council was living in pathetic conditions.

The Chief and Council is responsible for putting out the fire, rescuing their people and keeping the community safe, rather than living well beyond others in the community. There is enough money per resident to keep everyone living in better conditions than this.

Your comment
"If the govt suspected there was a problem with funds - they should have fixed everything and launched a silly investigation" Wow - I hear no issues with the leadership, instead putting the onus on govt. to fix it, yet calling govt. interference silly.

How can this sad situation not happen again if nothing changes with the leadership - and having 18 councilors - way too many in charge and sucking up the money.
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Ansdlmol
11:42 PM on 04/07/2012
You are talking through a hole in your lower body. This band, like the majority of them, is totally incompetent and mismanage the adequate funds given them by the government The chiefs featherbed their own nests and stiff the band members at ever turn. Why should the government, ie us, care if their own chiefs don't care?
10:14 PM on 04/07/2012
The money stays in the hands of Chief and Council. They hire their relatives and friends. The nepotism is really bad. I'm not happy about it, but I'm not convinced White politicians are not corrupt either. Remember we had a PM who was caught accepting bags of money from a German arms dealer. He got away with it. Those are our role models.
10:57 PM on 04/07/2012
Well I guess all of us should just be corrupt rather than fix anything and simply allow nepotism to continue, which denies other community members their fair share.

Things need to be changed within all reserves that operate this way.
04:44 PM on 04/08/2012
"These are our role models" Who your role models are is your choice. Make better choices.
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05:46 PM on 04/07/2012
Pretty sure the whole First Nations/Government 'system' is Einstein's definition of insanity:

Doing the SAME thing over and over and expecting a different result.

One side or the other needs to break the cycle.
10:17 PM on 04/07/2012
It is. We need to remember our federal government invented this mess. We put them on reserves and made them 100% dependent. Now that they are 100% dependent, we want them to be 100% independent. It is a giant and old political mess with no end in sight.
07:41 AM on 04/08/2012
Right on - our Federal Government invented this mess - not the current Government but one many years ago and all the various Liberal and Conservative Federal Government has kept doing the same thing over and over. It needs to stop. Natives need to stand on their own two feet! We are simply enabling them!!!
04:56 PM on 04/08/2012
We can't go back in time and undo mistakes. We have to deal with what the situation is now. Kids are born into dysfunctional families, it doesn't do them any good to keep blaming their parents. They have to look for help anywhere it is available. Seek counselling, read books, go to church---whatever is available then DO IT. It's called "pulling yourselves up by your boot laces"
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05:26 PM on 04/07/2012
Okay, let the public see the total yearly numbers it will take to keep Attawapiskat a viable, livable community. Clearly there are a lot of holes in the finance stream, within the reserve, and within Ottawa. Show us the whole finance stream, address the problems, and fix them. There is no reason hundreds of millions cant keep this place afloat without people living in abject poverty. And the blame is not one sided.

Make sure the homes are built properly, by accountable contractors.
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All Seeing Guy
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08:19 PM on 04/07/2012
That would be accountable, transparent, and may not help further an NDP platform. Can't do it.
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09:55 PM on 04/07/2012
Can you provide some coherent defense of your statement? My comments have to do with the majority party and Attawapiskat community government. Not sure what your NDP rant has to do with it.
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Liz Wilson 2
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07:52 AM on 04/08/2012
yes, that is the stereotype that the conservatives like to promote and we all know how transparent and accountible the current federal government has been.

I grew up in Saskatchewan where Romanow and Janice McKinnon (min of fin) made a whole lot of hard choices to get Saskatchewan out from under the hole dug by really bad tory decisions and the very fraudulant actions of the MPs under Grand Devine.

After living through that experience - I don't buy into the idea that NDP are not or can not be compent fiscal managers while maintaining the essential core social programs.

As for this band and accountibility -
10 years working with a co-manager who was and is approved by the department. The co-manager has the signing authority for the government funds.

financial reports going back to 2005 are and have always been available on-line

there was huge political gain for the PM to blame the FN people for the problem and take an aggressive attack position. In fact, when I look through many of the postings about FN issues in any paper across Canada I am shocked by several things:
- the lack of real understanding of the historical antecedents and of the Indian Act
- the amount of vile that people comfortably spew toward FN people without being censured
- these people will not be swayed or the attack dulled by evidence

Harper and the conservative are counting on the fact that people love to gang up on the
07:45 AM on 04/08/2012
BUT the thing is - hold on - has you ever been to a reserve???? Have you seen how things like equipement and nicely build homes are treated???
Yes - fine - build them a nice home that meets all the proper criteria and what will happen - it will look like it's 75 years old and falling down in 2 years! Not 10 years but in only two years it will be destroyed! Go and check this out for yourself - I have been on reserves - nothing new stays new!
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teeleecee
I'm not who I think you think I am.
10:40 AM on 04/08/2012
You are absolutely correct. When something is handed to you, you tend not to take as good care of it as when you are directly involved in working for it. The aboriginal population in Canada works for nothing. They don't need to. They pay no taxes. I know what I'm talking about because I grew up right where it all goes down. And they laugh at the rest of the population of Canada. Further, there is a sense of entitlement after all the discrimination and such they've endured. I say, get the )&()* over it and if you want something done to your specifications and desires, do it yourself and stop asking everyone else to pay for it.
05:06 PM on 04/08/2012
This dates back to a very old way of life. Natives set up a campsite and hunted, fished and ate whatever was available and then when the campsite was no longer liveable they packed up and moved on. It worked very well because what they left behind was all biodegradable. It just doesn't work now. Some natives have figured this out and some haven't.
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Anne Mccormick
05:12 PM on 04/07/2012
one of my friends in Canada claims that this is just another tactic to get more money from the Canadian tax payers.
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Ian Llangan
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05:20 PM on 04/07/2012
One of your friends in Canada would not be far off the mark.
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Liz Wilson 2
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05:21 PM on 04/07/2012
All of us can claim at least one friend that knows very little and yet still feels confident in spreading misinformation or feeding into stereotypical presentations of a minority group.
10:18 PM on 04/07/2012
All of us are self-appointed experts.
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04:55 PM on 04/07/2012
Question: Why did Attawapiskat leaders wait until October to declare an emergency in terms of housing? Had they made previous, recent requests? I would think any problem apparent in October would have been known well before the cold season was really settling in.
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Liz Wilson 2
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05:08 PM on 04/07/2012
The problem is perenial - in action caused the declaration as I understand it.
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05:14 PM on 04/07/2012
Whose inaction?
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Thalin Lea
04:23 PM on 04/07/2012
And i guest the Governor General of Canada is helpless again on this one like in most of cases ??? it's time to think about restructuring this government system and get rid of some helpless representative , that would be actually a huge contribution to the Canada budget deficit.
10:19 PM on 04/07/2012
Isn't the Senate also expensive and 100% worthless?
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Ansdlmol
11:52 PM on 04/07/2012
Better still. Stop feeding the Bands money and tell them to get a job, pay taxes and become true citizens of Canada instead of perpetually moaning and holding their hands out for more. If they can't get a job locally they can do what other Canadians do and move to where the work is instead of freeloading.
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Liz Wilson 2
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07:54 AM on 04/08/2012
a little research would go a long way in presenting an argument that is not based on myth
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piceaglauca
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09:12 AM on 04/08/2012
You don't understand how the Indian Act works. Also, it was offered to be revised by the previous Liberals. The FNP declined. It's a sweet deal in some sense. The options aren't there as you see it. The money they get is offered freely by the Federal Gov't. You voted for them, didn't you?
03:22 PM on 04/07/2012
I think the government should buy me a house.
03:30 PM on 04/07/2012
If they owe you rent, sure. Why not.
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05:15 PM on 04/07/2012
Well, speaking of that rent, can we nail down exactly what it is per year? Because it doesnt seem entirely unfair to wonder why the current amount isnt keeping the houses from deteriorating at an incredibly fast rate.
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07:29 PM on 04/07/2012
Pretty sure that tab has been settled.
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piceaglauca
The picture says it all....
09:13 AM on 04/08/2012
Read The Indian Act. Gain some knowledge.
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TwoZeroOZ
01:25 AM on 04/10/2012
I've read the Indian Act.

What's your point?