Penny's Demise Worries Small-Business Owners

Posted: 04/ 6/2012 7:29 pm Updated: 04/ 7/2012 9:24 pm


The federal government's budget decision to axe the penny seemed like a cost-efficient move, but small-business owners say it will affect your bottom line.


Manufacturing one penny costs nearly two cents, Finance Minister Jim Flaherty has said. The one-cent coin will be removed from the Royal Canadian Mint's production in six months.


It has also been a nuisance for many people but small-business owners worry the cost of re-programming computers and cash registers will be in the thousands. Many will also have to eliminate odd-numbered transactions.


"It will cost a couple of grand at every location," said Andre Kachi, who owns three Marcellos delicatessens in Ottawa.


"It's not going to make me happy. Somebody should take care of that, not me for sure."


Some shops will have to hire new programmers and warn there could be some hiccups, which may frustrate customers.


Changes could cost up to $4K


The owner of Ottawa's Café Le Monde estimates a $200 cost to reprogram his cash register. But pizza parlours, where prices usually end with 99 cents, the cost is expected to be $4,000. That includes changes to software, menus and signs.


"It's really bad. You know business is not like it used to be," said store owner Jassem Ganass. "We are already suffering and now they're making it harder for us."


Some charities have the opposite thought when it comes to the penny's demise. Many think people will get rid of the penny by donating them to charity.


Starting in the fall, businesses will be asked to return pennies to financial institutions. The coins will be melted and the metal content recycled.


In the meantime, Canadians can continue to use pennies to pay for things and the one-cent piece will retain its value indefinitely.



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10:38 PM on 04/09/2012
The guy that talked about The Netherlands doing it said everything stayed the same. Its only at the end of the tallied bill that it could possibly make a difference. Then they round up or down slightly. On an interact that is not even necessary.
Another way is have some small items valued at 1 penny that you give out in place if it really makes that much difference to you.
Even Revenue Canada rounds to the nearest dollar on income tax with the final tally.
04:52 PM on 04/07/2012
Geez, the Cons find yet ANOTHER way to screw the ordinary Canadian into the ground. All prices will now be rounded UP to the next nickel, so every item and transaction will cost Canadians more.
Aaaaaargh - I can't take it anymore!!!!
03:05 PM on 04/07/2012
But the penny isn't going anywhere. It's not being taken out of circulation, they're just not making any more of them. Eventually, there will be fewer and fewer of them until they're gone completely, but that will be many years from now.
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William Muller
02:16 PM on 04/07/2012
Total baloney. Nothing has to change. I lived in the Netherlands when they eliminated the cent in the 90's. All prices can stay the same. Only the end amount will be rounded up or down. Example: One item costs $1.96 the other $0.36. Total: $ 2.32 You pay $2.30. Or say the first item costs $1.97 then the total will be $2.33 and you pay $2.35.
This is only in cash transactions. On paper like credit cards and bank statements the penny can stay..
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piceaglauca
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11:17 AM on 04/07/2012
Why do people keep spelling nickel nickle when it is nickel. Some people spell their name nickle but the coin is spelled nickel.

Why do we keep spelling liter liter ,unless it is American then it is correct but SI Metric which Canada adapted is spelled litre and metre and kilometre except meter which is not a unit of measurement, it is a meter as in tick, tick, tick, tick, 1, tick tick tick tick............

I won't point the finger to a person's spelling since that would be an insult, but these serious errors are occurring from an article read.
11:29 AM on 04/07/2012
these people are doing this for free... so get over it... you don't like it, go somewhere else... you want them to add the expense of hiring their own editors for their free articles? grab a brain!
11:33 AM on 04/07/2012
Only the naive would believe it's actually "free."
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piceaglauca
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10:26 PM on 04/07/2012
Duly noted, recorded ,and reported.
11:29 AM on 04/07/2012
Why do some people put periods at the end of questions as though they were statements? Some people spell proper nouns with a lower-case first letter.

Why do some people put spaces before commas instead of immediately following the last word which is being separated from the following clause? Or don't bother indicating clauses when obviously they are being utilized?

Seriously, though, re: finding errors throughout published articles: The low margins for profit and the pressure to meet the demands of immediacy due to the tremendously quick spread of information and opinion online have together conspired to seriously undermine all sorts of oversight in both traditional and online sources. The result is rather disheartening.
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10:36 PM on 04/07/2012
Yes, I feel your pain. I am also bothered by split infinitives, dangling gerunds, particularly when they haven't been used to take an object or adverbial modifier. Putting that aside I think the true concern is addressed by Margibbish following who refers to the different versions of Windows. That being said, I rest my point. I did fan him since he was so positive. Don't you agree?
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01:13 AM on 04/08/2012
F & F ! I appreciate your post. Texting has certainly ruined this world. Not to mention that likes of people like Don Cherry and Sarah Palin influencing the general public by getting national air time.
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11:08 AM on 04/07/2012
Was the survey was done by business owners down the street from the mint? Good survey. The cost of business is business so the whining over a couple of thousand is called re-tooling or change-up to get the lingo right. If you aren't making money then get out of business. As for the "Penny Eatery" to coin a phrase round up and make some money. Write it off as a cost. Think outside the box.
01:39 PM on 04/07/2012
They are thinking outside the box- all trying to find ways to get $$ out of the government for re-programming their cash registers.
11:06 AM on 04/07/2012
As long as it's free to give my two cents' worth, I'm okay.
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11:02 AM on 04/07/2012
I have a small business in Ontario and just added up roughly 50,000 invoices worth 16 million dollars including taxes, rounded to the penny and the nickel.

The difference was $7.26.

Business folks need to get past their erroneous beliefs and realize that this trivial gain or loss is far less than the time wasted talking about it.

For technical folks, here's a simple SQL statement to discover your rounding difference...

SELECT COUNT(*) AS Invoices, SUM(invoice_total) AS Penny, SUM(ROUND(invoice_total/5, 2)*5) AS Nickel FROM SalesOrders
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09:12 AM on 04/07/2012
I wish people & businesses would quit whining about the penny, it is about time that we got rid of it. It is the second thing the Tory's have done right that makes any sense. Businesses have been nickle & dime us to death for the past 100 years and they will continue to do so forever.
09:09 AM on 04/07/2012
Yawn

Businesses will just raise prices to recoup the money.

Next.
10:27 AM on 04/07/2012
Its not that simple when you are a small business and you are having to keep prices low in order to compete with the multinational bloodsuckers.

That's the difference between maintaining a customer base and ensuring that you can remain sustainable. I dont think your comment is fair or well-thought out
09:02 AM on 04/07/2012
Harper's broken clock moment. Good riddance to thw penny.
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gravescanada
08:20 AM on 04/07/2012
With gasoline costing us 1.35 a liter, the penny is not even something I think about, or care about. Get the price of Gas under control.
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07:37 AM on 04/07/2012
Penny is gone, but Mr. HARPER IS STAYING, get over it.
06:30 AM on 04/07/2012
How will it cost more for business, they will just pass it on to the consumer like they always do.
Anyone who thinks this will cost business owners is living in a dream world.
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08:11 AM on 04/07/2012
There is a lot of study that indicates the psychology of pricing thngs at .99 apparently that 9.99 seems a lot less expensive than 10.00. - perhaps at 10.00 people will choose not to buy
08:20 AM on 04/07/2012
that study is old, consumers r not that naive anymore
09:14 AM on 04/07/2012
Now it will be $9.95.

Consumers win!
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08:12 AM on 04/07/2012
you still have to reprogram your financial programs to calculate your tax owed. CRA doesn't allow too much 'rounding off'.
05:28 AM on 04/07/2012
This government has planned nothing. No tax explanations, no rules on rounding, nada. And here is the big one. Are you going to charge people a different price and not round up if they use a credit card. Will you charge a couple of cents more for cash, and less for credit card. How many customers will work out the price at the till and then figure out how to pay for their purchases.
Yea im in retail and i see this type of second guessing now. without offering some guidance to the public this is just going to drive folks nuts at the till.
But hey the conservatives can wear this one as well. They will save $17 million of tax dollars, and cost a hell of a lot more to business then that. Well done
10:12 AM on 04/07/2012
What do you mean there is no explanation? What do you need to know that can't be found at http://www.budget.gc.ca/2012/themes/theme2-eng.html ? What sort of tax explanation do you need? How does this affect your taxes? Will your income tax be rounded up or down 2 cents? Good god, call the doctor. For anyone crying about how cash registers can't handle this, tell me exactly how our economy weathered the storm when we lowered our GST rate, wasn't there some sort of adjustment to cash registers required? Most cash registers I come across these days run on a computer with software, software that can be easily updated. If any business can not afford to purchase a new cash register because theirs can't be programmed to round to the nearest 5 cents, well I guess it's time for retailers to brush up on their grade 4 math skills and do their rounding on the spot. I already do not accept any change less than a quarter when using cash, rather leaving smaller change in one of the donation boxes or in the hands of the cashier. I for one could not be more in favour of the penny's demise. Some people just can't accept change and will always find something to complain about.
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William Muller
02:21 PM on 04/07/2012
Second guessing? If you can't round up or down the end amount to the nearest nickel I suggest you go back to elementary school.