Rogers Contracts Push The Envelope, Lawyer Says

Posted: 04/ 7/2012 6:09 am Updated: 04/ 9/2012 8:24 am


Some of the conditions that Rogers Communications imposes on customers in fixed-term contracts are legally questionable, according to an expert at the University of Ottawa.


At issue is the company's practice of boosting service rates for things such as high-speed internet, home phone and cable TV, leaving some customers in fixed-term contracts in the unenviable position of either accepting the new prices or paying expensive fees to end their contract.


That "pushes the line of what is allowed legally," said Anthony Daimsis, a lawyer who specializes in Canadian contract law.


He told CBC's Marketplace that in terms of consumer protection, "it should simply not be allowed — it's what the law would call an unconscionable term."


Rogers stands by the practice, saying in a statement that "provisions allowing us to make changes to rates in our Terms of Service are fair to customers, are clearly disclosed and are in compliance with all applicable consumer protection legislation."


The company also says that customers who sign up for fixed-rate contracts are guaranteed a constant price for the duration of the term.


But customers who are on fixed discount contracts are liable to see their costs increase, if the overall rate Rogers charges for a particular service becomes more expensive.


Recent rate hikes


Many Rogers customers within the latter group were recently hit with a rate hike of $1 to $4 per month for each service they had signed up for. With home phone, cable TV and internet, together the increase could amount to an additional $96 per year.


The price hike has upset people like Barry Cook, who received a letter in the mail stating the price of his Rogers high-speed internet service was rising by $2 a month.


When the Toronto man, who had signed up for a year-long contract offering a 30 per cent discount, called to complain about the price increase he was told he would have to pay $180 to cancel his service.


"Normally when you sign a contract you pay a fee over the course of the contract," he said. "If both parties aren't subject to the same rules, you're kind of screwed really."


Daimsis said the problem is that long-term contracts are supposed to provide certainty about the amount a customer has to pay, but that certainty is "destroyed" if Rogers can change its rates. Yet unhappy customers are unable to leave without paying hefty fees.


Bell and Telus also recently raised their rates by between $1 and $5 per month, but both firms told Marketplace they don't charge a cancellation fee to customers who choose to leave as a result.


Daimsis said that Rogers' fixed discount contracts could be targeted in a class-action lawsuit, which are designed "to give a little more power back to the weaker party — in this case the consumer."


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    <strong>Average price per month, Sept. 2010: $54.71.</strong> (<em>All numbers are in U.S. dollars, based on connections between 15 Mbps and 30 Mbps. Source: <a href="http://www.oecd.org/document/54/0,3343,en_2649_34225_38690102_1_1_1_1,00.html" target="_hplink">OECD Directorate For Science, Technology and Industry</a>.</em>)

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  • 8: Norway

    <strong>Average price per month, Sept. 2010: $55.90.</strong> (<em>All numbers are in U.S. dollars, based on connections between 15 Mbps and 30 Mbps. Source: <a href="http://www.oecd.org/document/54/0,3343,en_2649_34225_38690102_1_1_1_1,00.html" target="_hplink">OECD Directorate For Science, Technology and Industry</a>.</em>)

  • 7: Spain

    <strong>Average price per month, Sept. 2010: $55.97.</strong> (<em>All numbers are in U.S. dollars, based on connections between 15 Mbps and 30 Mbps. Source: <a href="http://www.oecd.org/document/54/0,3343,en_2649_34225_38690102_1_1_1_1,00.html" target="_hplink">OECD Directorate For Science, Technology and Industry</a>.</em>)

  • 6: United States

    <strong>Average price per month, Sept. 2010: $57.36.</strong> (<em>All numbers are in U.S. dollars, based on connections between 15 Mbps and 30 Mbps. Source: <a href="http://www.oecd.org/document/54/0,3343,en_2649_34225_38690102_1_1_1_1,00.html" target="_hplink">OECD Directorate For Science, Technology and Industry</a>.</em>)

  • 5: Canada

    <strong>Average price per month, Sept. 2010: $62.91.</strong> (<em>All numbers are in U.S. dollars, based on connections between 15 Mbps and 30 Mbps. Source: <a href="http://www.oecd.org/document/54/0,3343,en_2649_34225_38690102_1_1_1_1,00.html" target="_hplink">OECD Directorate For Science, Technology and Industry</a>.</em>)

  • 4: Israel

    <strong>Average price per month, Sept. 2010: $65.42.</strong> (<em>All numbers are in U.S. dollars, based on connections between 15 Mbps and 30 Mbps. Source: <a href="http://www.oecd.org/document/54/0,3343,en_2649_34225_38690102_1_1_1_1,00.html" target="_hplink">OECD Directorate For Science, Technology and Industry</a>.</em>)

  • 3: Luxembourg

    <strong>Average price per month, Sept. 2010: $74.76.</strong> (<em>All numbers are in U.S. dollars, based on connections between 15 Mbps and 30 Mbps. Source: <a href="http://www.oecd.org/document/54/0,3343,en_2649_34225_38690102_1_1_1_1,00.html" target="_hplink">OECD Directorate For Science, Technology and Industry</a>.</em>)

  • 2: Chile

    <strong>Average price per month, Sept. 2010: $79.89.</strong> (<em>All numbers are in U.S. dollars, based on connections between 15 Mbps and 30 Mbps. Source: <a href="http://www.oecd.org/document/54/0,3343,en_2649_34225_38690102_1_1_1_1,00.html" target="_hplink">OECD Directorate For Science, Technology and Industry</a>.</em>)

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11:55 AM on 04/08/2012
This is why teksavvy is amazing. Great service at a great price and it's not Rogers and Bell.
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12:41 PM on 04/08/2012
While true, they use Bell's and Roger's infrastructure.
that means that Rogers and Bell could just destroy teksavvy whenever they want by increasing the price of use on them, forcing them to begin controlling their customers.
03:26 PM on 04/08/2012
True, but I'm hopeful that this doesn't happen.
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Thalin Lea
10:40 PM on 04/07/2012
and they realize now after all these years ? their fees and contract terms are just outrageous. I'm not going to contribute to make higher their fortune and all these skyscraper of glass they own. it's up to you or not to do as such.
09:13 PM on 04/07/2012
This is unmitigated gouging. It started with the B.S. "system access fee" and has continued since. The problem isn't Rogers, Bell or Telus. It's the CRTC.
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thegirlnextdoor
10:33 PM on 04/07/2012
While I agree generally, I have never had a problem with Telus. Since 1994. Good service. In every way. And now I have one of the cheapest rates around for my iPhone.
07:02 AM on 04/08/2012
And think maybe our government has a bit to do with that as well, after all they seem to protect our beloved companies like Bell and Rogers- then they ship most of the jobs overseas!
I dumped Bell Mobility years ago when I had a arguement with a Bell rep when I changed my address, was told my postal code was not valid because I gave her 3 letters and 3 numbers, was told it should have numbers only!
Rogers now offers the same great service
08:41 PM on 04/07/2012
Rogers has been getting away with Bullying customers for years, they have no customer support or loyalty they honestly believe that they are doing you a favor by allowing you to be a Rogers service suscriber.
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thegirlnextdoor
10:32 PM on 04/07/2012
Too true.
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singmaster
08:41 AM on 04/08/2012
Agreed. I'm under contract with them, but as soon as it's over I'm leaving and will never go back.

They promised me a promo price when I originally ordered the service. The rep "forgot" to put the promo price on the account. After months of arguing with Rogers, they now say they're sorry, but there is no way to retroactively put a promo code on so I just have to pay the higher price. I reached the office of the president, who did give me a credit that was equal to the amount of the excess amount, but then my next bill showed a "miscellaneous charge" that equaled the amount of the credit.
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Murman
I read the news today, oh boy.
11:55 AM on 04/08/2012
Unbelievable. Our rep 'forgot' to put the promo paperwork through as well, but it was not Rogers....just shows you how tricky these deals can be and how easy they can NOT live up to them.
08:26 PM on 04/07/2012
That a company whose success should be predicated on service succeeds in spite of having such piss poor service is appauling. My advice, go to their website and get the names of each member of their board of directors from their financials. The website might also have the names of some of their VP's as well. Copy the names of a few news anchors from your local TV news station. You can get their emails from their websites as well. Right an email copying all parties. At some point, once enough complaints have been sent, they'll get the message. Its bad enough that your ripping people off, but atleast be prepared to provide some decent service.
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Ian Llangan
Your Invisible Sky Friend Is Morally Abhorrent
09:53 PM on 04/07/2012
Good luck finding the direct email address of any of the executives of these companies. They are so well shielded from being contacted by any members of the (ugh!) public it's like to trying to get information about KGB operatives.
09:02 PM on 04/14/2012
Apologies Ian - didn't see this reply earlier. So the truth is quite the opposite. There is virtually no way that a senior executive at a publicly traded (or sufificiently large) organization can remain inaccessible. A google search is often all it takes. I know first hand my friend.
07:25 PM on 04/07/2012
I cancelled Rogers cable months ago. I was paying nearly $100 and only watched about 20 channels. I resent paying for sports channels I never watch and all the flotsam they provide that are just space wasters. I spent more time listening to the radio stations I got thru cable than tv itself. To try to keep me I was offered a reduction of $2 on the HD package. I asked what happened if I cancelled cable after accepting the reduction. I was informed my cancellation fee would be $25 per month for a one year contract. I laughed out loud to the poor agent on the phone. She couldn't even waive the cancellation fee to keep me for another couple of months. I've had cable for over 20 years, paid for the box endlessly, always paid on time, and the truth is Rogers doesn't care in any way, shape, or form as long as the executives get big salaries and bonuses. I miss having tv but I fill in my need to watch by streaming Netflix to my PS3 and can watch all sorts of tv shows and movies.
I want to choose my channels and pay little to do so. I want a limit on how long I pay for a cable box. I want affordable tv considering the citizens of Canada own these airwaves that these companies are getting fat off.
Let's all than Brian Mulroney and the Conservative Party for getting rid of anti-monopoly legislation.
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Peter Manierka
89 and going strong
06:37 PM on 04/07/2012
I knew that Rogers is a rotten company.I got rid of
their cable tv years ago.Its time f.or a boycott
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Peacefrogg
03:30 PM on 04/07/2012
They are all a bunch of thieves, Virgin Mobile sent me a bill for almost $2700.00, i tried unsucessfully to change my plan three times and each time i went to ask why it wasnt changed the first time someone would tell me that there was no actual taped recording or request found, i finally hit the wall and decided to write Richard Branson and email and sent it off to Virgin,UK, where it was intervened and dealt with in Ontario, Canada. The fellow i dealt with was very courteous and took care of matters immediately, he even offered me a descent credit towards my account if i stayed with Virgin, but i had to bow out and go with another provider because after fighting this issue for two months strait i was done with Virgin.

Why is it I can go over to a country like India, buy a cell phone and call home to Canada for pennies a minute and over here i get rip-off and hosed constantly by our local cell phone cartels, what ever happened to businesses actually competing against one another and not colluding with each other.
02:41 PM on 04/07/2012
I went through a situation where I ended my contract with Rogers 3 times, and they kept sending me bills beyond my final bill, despite that my final bill was paid. They then came up with some outrageous clause. When I asked to speak with the Top Manager, the representatives never knew who that was and said I would have to find this out on my own. Such garbage. They made thousands off of me over many years of patronage. I will never use Rogers again. Buyer beware.
02:32 PM on 04/07/2012
Rogers does not have fixed contracts. There are discounts up to 30% and then some slightly higher. So therefore the discount still applies to the rate increase. The rate increase isnt huge, my internet bill went up by $2, how cheap can people be? The gas prices change all the time yet people are still buying gas. Mortgage rates increase but people dont call in demanding that it be reversed. I think that people are pathetic complaining over it, and the prices they pay. Rogers, like many companies provides a service, yet half the country seems to think they should get it for free. Get over yourselves people! Prices change all the time, stop whining and being so cheap!!!
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singmaster
08:43 AM on 04/08/2012
Apparently you misunderstand the meaning of the word "Contract".
FromarealCanadian
grumpy old self proclaimed backwoods intellectual
02:17 PM on 04/07/2012
Rogers Contracts Push The Envelope, Lawyer Says - well, well, tsk, tsk we are regulated to death and this one just "slips" under the wire. Can anyone say collusion.

Oh and while your at it seems to be eerily similar to our "competitive" cellphone providers.

Can anyone say "most expensive in the world with the least service"

Maybe try writing to the honourable King Harper - perhaps one of his minions might actaully pass it on rather than using it to light the royal fires in vanier hall.

And to the writers who say pay full price - well get this - you can buy most cellphones for under $150 and a lot under $50 delivered to your door unlocked - and they work anywhere in the world with virtually any cell phone. The phones being sold here at discount are still overpriced.

Oh and yes children most of them come out of the same factory. So Mr Harley eletism has a price.
01:53 PM on 04/07/2012
People love the "free" phone and hate the contract.

Sorry, kids, you can't have it both ways.

Pay full price and there's no binding contract.
compro01
Conservatism : Policy-based evidence making
06:24 PM on 04/07/2012
In your rush to defend Rogers, you missed the whole bit that this is about cable TV and internet service, not cell phones.
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mmoskvit
Reader. Hitchensian. Fellow traveler.
06:25 PM on 04/07/2012
Yeah unless it's a certain new phone and you can only get it on 3-year contract.
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01:27 PM on 04/07/2012
There was a man called Ted
Who worshiped his father long since
He got back his dad's radio station
Then brought cellular to the nation
Politicians and regulators he profusely wed
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cinderelladressmaker
02:53 PM on 04/07/2012
F & F Can't stand Rogers and I know I am certainly not alone!
12:55 PM on 04/07/2012
The entire cell phone industry in Canada is corrupt. The whole concept of cell phones being locked to a single provider should be illegal. Would you buy a car that only ran on fuel from one company?
01:14 PM on 04/07/2012
It is interesting that some companies would rather lock you into a long-term contract than have you actually want to do business with them.
01:51 PM on 04/07/2012
Then don't take the free or discounted phone.

Pay full price, no contract.
02:18 PM on 04/07/2012
There are very few unlocked phones available in Canada. If you buy a phone from Rogers, Bell, etc., the phone is still locked to them. You cannot put another provider's SIM card into the phone and use it. I have an unlocked iPhone that I bought in Hong Kong a few years ago and have used it in several countries by simply buying a SIM card wherever I am. When apple released the iPhone 4 in Canada, it made unlocked phones available, but only if you bought them direct from apple.
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singmaster
08:44 AM on 04/08/2012
No free phone when you sign up for cable TV, Harley. My contract, which they failed to honour, was for cable TV and internet service.