Canadian Submarine HMCS Windsor To Start Sea Trials This Week After Refit

Posted: 04/10/2012 2:51 pm Updated: 04/11/2012 12:35 pm

HALIFAX - One of Canada's four problem-plagued submarines was slowly lowered into Halifax harbour on Wednesday, more than three years after a refit was due to be completed.

HMCS Windsor began the three-hour process of re-entering the water just before 9 a.m. local time in a berth lined with 46 winches that connected to a submerged wooden platform.

Dozens of workers stood on a Halifax dock to watch the hulking black sub as it was lowered at about half-a-metre per minute.

The sub was to move to a neighbouring berth to undergo further testing and preparations for sea trials, but it's not clear when those trials will happen.

"The submarine will only go on the other side and ... the refit will continue," said Roger Barakett, who oversees fleet safety and the lowering procedure.

"Some of the work requires salt water to be carried out so that's what's going to go on when she's in the water."

Initially scheduled to be completed by 2009, Windsor's refit has taken almost five years and the sub hasn't been in the water since 2007. It has operated at sea for 332 days since arriving in Nova Scotia in October 2001.

Windsor is one of four British submarines bought by the federal government in 1998 for $750 million, but the fleet has seen little time in active service since then.

HMCS Victoria, based on the West Coast, was the first submarine to complete the refit and successfully test-fired torpedoes last month.

Defence Minister Peter MacKay said Tuesday that the Royal Canadian Navy is also expanding the number of submariners it has to 330 from 278 in the coming months.

Three of the vessels are scheduled to be in the water by 2013.

Canada declined the option to purchase British torpedoes along with the submarines. As a result, all four submarines are undergoing extensive weapons system changes to use and launch American made Mark-48 torpedoes that are already in the navy's possession.

In addition to the planned refit, the submarines have been involved in accidents that have further delayed their operational use.

During its voyage to Canada in 2004, HMCS Chicoutimi caught fire after seawater damaged the electrical system, killing Lt. Chris Saunders and leaving the submarine inoperable.

HMCS Victoria recently completed a three-year refit, including repairs to dents in the hull that prevented the ship from doing deepsea dives.

HMCS Corner Brook struck the ocean floor off Vancouver Island during a training exercise in June of last year, causing extensive damage to its fibreglass nose cone. It is currently undergoing repairs.

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11:27 PM on 04/11/2012
How did we manage to test fire torpedoes?
Ours have a larger diameter than the British torpedo tubes.
Did we bore out the sub?

You know what unarmed submarines are?
targets.
08:48 AM on 04/12/2012
No need for torpedoes, the Captain of the Sub just surfaces right under any foreign vessel found within Canada's territorial waters and then we can say Wooops sorry after making sure the Subs LOG is lost........LOL
09:15 AM on 04/12/2012
Makes sense to me!
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Taylor Jay
I don't align myself with any political party.
02:04 PM on 04/11/2012
..... why buy subs that had been decommisioned for YEARS.. they were broken when we bought them!
The f-35 program is no better... if you've looked into the testing.. those single engines fail alot. and at 700 million a plane, Thats a pretty big waste.
08:57 AM on 04/12/2012
Just trying to maintain our stance on the World Stage as one of the wealtiest Nations, iether that or, maybe our Government just wants to give the rest of the World a bloody good laugh, at the taxpayers expence that is ........LOL
01:10 PM on 04/11/2012
Just wondering if this will be featured on Letterman's "Will It Float?" segment.
12:17 PM on 04/11/2012
Just a matter of how much more good money we will spend after the bad until they are scrapped

Immediately declare sucess - then scrap 'em
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Glass Cannon
Let every eye negotiate for itself.
12:02 PM on 04/11/2012
The subs at West Edmonton Mall were much better. Sheesh.
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vimmryan
11:45 AM on 04/11/2012
(The fleet has seen little time in active service since they were purchased)
Really? No kidding, who would have thought Canada does NOT need submarines, or war machines of any kind for that matter...

What a waste of money. What in the world would we ever even use something like that for.
12:15 PM on 04/11/2012
"Canada does NOT submarines" , depends on whether you think our arctic islands are important. Several countries do not recognize our claim to the islands and one of the reasons for purchasing the subs was to patrol the islands.

".. not need ... war machines" - a ridiculous comment. As long as there are crazy military dictators in the world we will need some kind of military just like we need local police.
02:44 PM on 04/11/2012
It's not that we don't need subs, it's lat we need subs that can actually submerge, don't leak, leave diesel exhaust signatures and have the ability to fire torpedoes that the bought! It's a British sub that can't fire American torpedoes that we bought because they don't fit!
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vimmryan
08:42 AM on 04/13/2012
You are a child... Canada is totally and completely insignificant as a military presence. There are more people in New York than Canada...
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Another Pesky Canadian
Talk - action = 0
11:34 AM on 04/11/2012
OH NOOOOO!! Watch out for that ICEBERG in the distance.

Titanic 100 years anniversary this month....an omen?
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Allan Tanny
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11:33 AM on 04/11/2012
Doesn't it just make you warm and fuzzy and full of confidence that the same people who brought you these submarines are the ones choosing the F35 without competition?
12:08 PM on 04/11/2012
I assume you are referring to the department of defense and not the government in power.

Submarines purchased when the Liberals were in power.
11:24 AM on 04/11/2012
We should buy our military needs, if we actually have any, from our neighbors to the South.

They make the best stuff and are our largest trading partner.
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Another Pesky Canadian
Talk - action = 0
11:36 AM on 04/11/2012
Perhaps they would consider renting us some of the stuff they don't mind us having?
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Francmon
Homo homini lupus
02:23 PM on 04/11/2012
Are the F-35s what you consider "best stuff"???
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feuille derable
La République du Canada
11:03 AM on 04/11/2012
the british queen can pick them up and take them home personally. no more UK junk.
10:59 AM on 04/11/2012
once again brain deads in power spending our tax dollar on junk.. liberals for you...
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10:52 AM on 04/11/2012
The Brits saw us coming.

Moral of the story?
Buying used is buying someone else's problems.
10:40 AM on 04/11/2012
What do they do in Ottawa? Scan Sub Trader for deals?
Maybe Peter McKay can trade them for F35's.
Never mind....same result.
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Another Pesky Canadian
Talk - action = 0
11:37 AM on 04/11/2012
Kijiji, more likely. "used subs, as-is, only a bit leaky"
12:52 PM on 04/11/2012
Ha ha ha. Buckets included. Either way, it would seem that it's neither political party.
Liberals & subs, PC's & jets, Liberals & helicopters, PC's & tank.
Looks like what we really need to do is actually get rid of the gray haired military brass and start again.
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Alain Posteur
10:34 AM on 04/11/2012
Thank god we didn't buy these submarines from France... the racist francophobes would have been all over the place with outraged indignation.
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11:00 AM on 04/11/2012
Do you always carry this much anger around with you?
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Alain Posteur
11:13 AM on 04/11/2012
I'm so full of love... (they're left overs from the 1995 Montreal Love-In. I have a garage full of love baskets. Need one?)

Be honest, Monsieur Scale... you don't think that the English Canadian media would have been all over the place with this story if the sub had been sold by France?
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SeanMartin
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09:57 AM on 04/11/2012
And I guess Ottawa declined to buy the extended warranty for these, huh.