Ontario Budget 2012: NDP Demands Add $1 Billion In Spending, According To Dalton McGuinty

Posted: 04/11/2012 11:11 am Updated: 04/11/2012 3:55 pm

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Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty says the NDP's budget demands would add $1 billion a year to provincial spending, so he wants them to find ways to cover that cost. (CP)

TORONTO - Negotiations between Ontario's Liberal government and the New Democrats to pass the budget and avoid another election hinge on the NDP's demand for a new tax on incomes over $500,000.

"I know that I stand on the side of daycares instead of millionaires, but let’s see where the premier stands," NDP Leader Andrea Horwath said Wednesday.

"This budget needs to be about fairness and balance, and I’m hoping the government thinks so too."

The talks between the two parties hit a snag Wednesday after Premier Dalton McGuinty claimed the NDP's budget demands would add $1 billion a year in spending, something he said a government fighting a $15.2-billion deficit cannot afford.

"Where specifically should we cut in order to afford that new $1 billion in annual spending," asked McGuinty.

"We’re trying to pass a budget that reins in spending, not one that expands further spending."

McGuinty called on the NDP to submit more ideas on how to pay for their budget demands, which also include a new job creation tax credit, removing the provincial portion of the HST from home heating bills and keeping Ontario Northland railway in public hands.

"What I’m asking of them today is that they send us some additional ideas to offset those new expenses," he said.

Horwath said she was "taken aback" by McGuinty's remarks because the NDP believe their plan is fully costed out, and would be paid for mainly with revenue from a two percentage point surcharge on incomes over half-a-million dollars.

"There’s no doubt that the idea of some people at the top paying a little bit more would actually give us the opportunity to give everyday families a break," said Horwath.

The NDP say the new tax would generate $570 million a year, while the Liberals put the figure at about $440 million, but in either case, the new tax is central to the New Democrats' budget amendments.

Horwath knows McGuinty may be reluctant to bring in a new tax after promising not to do so, and after famously breaking similar promises in the past, so she still is willing to negotiate with the Liberals to reach a deal to get the budget passed.

"If the premier comes up with all kinds of other ways to make sure that other things that we’ve asked for get done, then that’s the conversation we’ll have," said Horwath.

"At this point, we’re putting forward a list of proposals that we think need to be implemented to make this budget more fair."

With the Conservatives vowing to defeat the budget, the Liberals need NDP support to get it passed and avoid triggering another election campaign.

The first vote on the budget motion is still two weeks away, and that's lots of time to reach a deal with the NDP and prevent a defeat of the minority government, said McGuinty.

"I appreciate the work the NDP has done, and now I’m asking them if they might give due regard to where it is that we can find the savings and be able to afford these new expenditures," he said.

"It’s not hard to come up with new ideas for new expenditures, but it is much more difficult to find ways to offset those new expenditures against cost reductions or cuts."

At his second campaign-style event in as many days, McGuinty again criticized the Conservatives for vowing to vote against the budget, saying the Opposition was pushing too hard for another election instead of trying to work with the minority government.

"The PCs have turned their back on the responsibility they owe to Ontarians, which is to find a way to work with the government of the day in order to move this budget forward," he said.

"They’ve chosen an election as opposed to talking to us."

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  • What's In The Ontario Budget 2012

  • Health Care

    The 2012 Ontario budget freezes pay for doctors, and extends a pay freeze for health care executives. The province will begin means-testing seniors' prescription drugs, paid for under the Ontario Drug Benefit Plan, effectively meaning that the 5 per cent wealthiest seniors covered by the plan will have to pay more into the plan. Seniors with incomes over $100,000 and senior couples with combined incomes above $160,000 will be affected. Increases in health care spending will be capped at 2.1 per cent per year.

  • Education

    The budget freezes pay for teachers. A pay freeze for educational executives, already in place, will be extended. School boards in low-population areas will be amalgamated, and "under-utilized" schools will be shut. Student transportation will be cut by $34 million.

  • Senior Citizens

    The province will begin means-testing seniors' prescription drugs, paid for under the Ontario Drug Benefit Plan, effectively meaning that the 5 per cent wealthiest seniors covered by the plan will have to pay more into the plan. Seniors with incomes over $100,000 and senior couples with combined incomes above $160,000 will be affected.

  • Social Assistance

    Welfare rates will be frozen and planned increases to the Ontario Child Benefit will be delayed.

  • Taxes

    There are no tax hikes in the 2012 Ontario budget, but it does freeze the corporate tax rate at 11.5 per cent, foregoing planned reductions in the tax rate to 10 per cent. The freeze is expected to save $1.5 billion over three years.

  • Energy

    Ontario will cap the 10 per cent hydro bill rebate at 3,000 kilowatt-hours, a limit high enough that most homes won't be affected, but businesses could be. Reducing the tax credit will save $470 million over three years.

  • Crime & Security

    On top of the four jails the province already plans to close, the budget adds two more to the closure list -- one in Brantford and one in Chatham. Overtime for jail guards and the Ontario Provincial Police will be reduced.

  • Business Initiatives

    Ontario plans to reduce spending on business support programs by $250 million by merging a number of different programs.

  • Gambling & Lotteries

    The province aims to increase revenue by increasing the number of gambling facilities. [Details to come]

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TORONTO - Negotiations between Ontario's Liberal government and the New Democrats to pass the budget and avoid another election hinge on the NDP's demand for a new tax on incomes over $500,000."I know...
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dread
11:02 AM on 04/12/2012
I think that by now most Ontario voter are quite aware that we cannot believe anything McGuinty says.
12:48 AM on 04/12/2012
ONTARIO HOME ENERGY RETROFITS (Jobs, lower bills, net-positive tax revenues) NDP ELECTION PROMISE 2011

McGuinty and Harper budgets devastate Ontario energy savings industry. Hundreds of Ontario energy savings companies will be forced to lay off staff, or shut down altogether. Ontario is currently the only province without home energy retrofit incentives.

Renewal of Ontario Home Energy Savings Program (OHESP) will save thousands of Ontario jobs which are to be lost in the energy retrofit industry.

OHESP creates and protects jobs in Ontario: the retrofit industry employs Ontarians and is not reliant on foreign or migrant labour. Furthermore most products used in energy retrofits are manufactured in Ontario (lumber, insulation and windows, to name but a few), and installed by skilled local labour.

OHESP is a revenue positive program for governments. The provincial government receives approximately $2.40 income from various tax sources for every $1.00 spent on retrofit incentives.

OHESP helps reduce the carbon footprint of our existing housing stock and reduces our reliance on energy from all sources (conservation before generation).

92% of Ontario homeowners think government should create more incentives for homeowners to make environmentally friendly and energy efficient renovations to their homes (according to recent Ipsos Reid poll undertaken for the Ontario Real Estate Association).

http://SaveEnergyFirst.ca

NDP Election Promise 2011
Ontario's NDP have promised nearly $1 billion over four years in retrofit programs to reduce electricity use and move the province away from its reliance on nuclear power. (Canadian Press - Aug 3 2011)
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10:17 AM on 04/12/2012
SO, says you?
OHESP is a big joke for consumers, not for people who make make the "GADGETS"
long way to go, loooooooooong way to go........
10:07 PM on 04/12/2012
HOME ENERGY RETROFITS (GREAT for ECONOMY & ENVIRONMENT (STATISTICS) - PRIME MINISTER HARPER (10 to 1 Multiplier)

"Encouraging Canadians to retrofit their homes for greater energy efficiency is good for the environment and great for the Canadian economy. It is expected that for every $1 invested by Stephen Harper's Government in the Home Retrofit Program, Canadian homeowners will invest approximately $10 in products and services to increase the energy efficiency of their homes."
(Prime Minister Stephen Harper News Release, April 11, 2011)
http://www.saveecoenergy.ca/harper-announcement

THOUSANDS OF CANADIAN JOB LOSSES
Natural Resources Minister Joe Oliver responded about ecoENERGY Retrofit program by writing, "the program is expected to generate up to $4 billion of economic activity, creating and protecting jobs for thousands of Canadians."
(CTV news London – Jan 31, 2012)

http://saveecoenergy.ca/ctv-news-london-windsor-contractors-angered-end-eco-energy-20120131

ecoENERGY Retrofit great for Economy and Environment (STATISTICS)
Statistics and benefits of the ecoENERGY Retrofit Homes program (up to Oct 2011) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxuloeWNSuY

"Canada's new government takes its responsibility for the environment very seriously. And that's why we've acted so decisively. With a focus on outcomes and achievable results serving as the common thread that runs through all our initiatives." (Prime Minister Harper - ecoENERGY Announcement Jan 21, 2007)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwTv27_bqSo
10:31 PM on 04/11/2012
need more money?

increase rich taxes another 3%
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All Seeing Guy
Center of the storm
09:02 PM on 04/11/2012
""They’ve chosen an election as opposed to talking to us.""

And here I thought Cons were opposed to forcing elections during tough economic times. Or is that only federally?
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All Seeing Guy
Center of the storm
09:00 PM on 04/11/2012
""What I’m asking of them today is that they send us some additional ideas to offset those new expenses," he said.

Horwath said she was "taken aback" by McGuinty's remarks because the NDP believe their plan is fully costed out, and would be paid for mainly with revenue from a two percentage point surcharge on incomes over half-a-million dollars."

In school, the math teacher usually required us to show our work. Perhaps the NDP would be kind enough to do the same for the benefit of Ontario tax payers.
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djelimon17
what's this thing for?
06:47 AM on 04/12/2012
I agree but numbers like that don't usually get thrown around in public. But they should be.

For myself, if they reverse a couple decade's momentum and start taxing millionaires more instead of always cutting for them and hitting the middle class instead, I'm good. The rest is gravy.
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10:30 AM on 04/12/2012
I'd say that is equally applicable to McGuinty as well, wouldn't you. As everyone knows, Libs run right and govern left. No one should be surprised by this. What do you need Tories for when you can vote Lib?
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All Seeing Guy
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02:32 PM on 04/12/2012
That's the kind of world view that could only come from an NDP supporter.