Alberta Election 2012 Debate: Redford Under Siege At Pivotal Event

Posted: 04/12/2012 4:30 am Updated: 04/13/2012 5:09 am

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Conservative leader Alison Redford walks past Wildrose leader Danielle Smith supporters as she makes her way into the Alberta Election debate in Edmonton, Alta., on Thursday April 12, 2012. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Jason Franson.

EDMONTON - Alberta Premier Alison Redford took hits from all sides in a televised election debate Thursday as her rivals took turns dismissing her as a weak leader who would promise anything to get elected.

The three opposition leaders — chief among them Wildrose frontwoman Danielle Smith — challenged Redford on her Progressive Conservative government's deficit budgeting and the alleged bullying of doctors by health officials.

They even piled on over how she called for the vote.

"She promised fix election dates then didn't," Smith charged.

"She promised she would look into the bullying and intimidation of doctors in the health care system, and then didn't.

"What we've seen after six months of Redford leadership is she is the kind of leader who will say anything to get elected and when she's elected it's not worth the paper it's written on."

Smith shared the stage with Redford, Liberal Leader Raj Sherman, and Brian Mason of the NDP for the 90-minute showdown. It was one of two leaders debates that will be held prior to the April 23 polling day. Still, there was much hype around Thursday's event.

Redford's Tories have held 11 consecutive majority governments dating back more than 40 years but are facing a serious challenge from Smith's party this time around.

Recent polls have suggested the upstart, right-wing Wildrose is tied or ahead of the Tories.

Sherman, an emergency room doctor who was bounced from the Tories in 2010 and took up the job as Liberal leader, echoed Smith's attacks.

He challenge Redford's record since taking over the Tory leadership last fall.

"Alison, you have a record, a very bad record," said Sherman.

"You have broken your promises. You've flip-flopped. You have a record on health care of disrespecting all the doctors. You're announcing announcement after announcement (on future spending) with no basis for it."

Mason chastised Redford for passing a budget she promised to run on during the election then announcing election promises that will cost out at more than $3 billion for new schools and health centres.

"She said that was the blueprint for the future and has now added billions of dollars in spending. It really smacks of desperation," said Mason.

Redford fired back, reminding Mason that the extra spending promises don't kick in until after the current budget year.

"We've been definite about that," said Redford.

Redford also shot back at Smith, challenging the Wildrose leader on her lack of a seat in the legislature.

She questioned Smith over the $40,000 the party paid to the constituency associations of Wildrose candidates Rob Anderson and Heather Forsyth when the pair crossed the floor from the Tories to join the Wildrose in 2010.

"When we look at people in your caucus who you actually paid to cross the floor, there are serious questions with respect to integrity that Albertans deserve an answer to," said Redford.

Smith said the payments were above board. Anderson and Forsyth have said the money was to get their constituency associations off the ground and they would have crossed the floor without it.

Redford and the Tories have been fighting a public backlash over numerous scandals and flip-flops in the leadup to the campaign and she took flak for most of them during the debate.

As a candidate for the Tory leadership, she promised a fixed election date, but as premier placed the date within a three-month window citing the need for flexibility to accommodate issues such as spring flooding.

She promised earlier this year to hold a public inquiry into the bullying by health officials of doctors who spoke out on substandard patient care. However, the inquiry she called will deal only with alleged queue-jumping for care on the part of connected patients.

When accused of breaking her promise, she said the bullying issue had been dealt with by a panel of doctors and that the promise she made on the subject dealt only with queue jumping.

There was some piling on Smith, too.

The Wildrose leader, who just recently revealed she is personally pro-choice, has been fighting fears that the social-conservative wing of her party would use new citizen-initiated referendum rules to overturn contentious issues such as public funding for abortion.

During the debate, she insisted her party will nevertheless support citizen-initiated referendums because it is a way for citizens to have a say.

"It's nothing but fear-mongering by a government that is on the run and worried about its opposition and competition," Smith charged.

"The reason it has come up is because the Wildrose has talked about doing it — it's part of their party platform," Redford retorted. "Three weeks ago, we heard from this leader that her personal views didn't matter. Then we heard that she would take her marching orders from her party. Then we heard that her caucus was important, then we heard her own personal views.

"I will tell you that in our view, a Progressive Conservative view, everyone in our caucus, takes the view that these matters have been settled. They do not need to be raised again."

NDP Leader Brian Mason said that in the United States, such referendums allow special interest groups to impose their views on the majority.

"The Americanization of our political system that the Wildrose prefers with citizen-intiated referenda and so on allows special interests to hijack the political agenda, because it is not usually the citizen themselves, the ordinary person."

The debate was one of the most anticipated political events in recent Alberta history and people seemed to be tuned in. An hour in, seven of the top 10 trending topics on Twitter in Canada were Alberta debate related.

The Tories had 67 seats in the 83-seat legislature at dissolution, compared with eight for the Liberals, four for the Wildrose, two for NDP, one for the Alberta Party, along with one Independent.

Four more seats have been added for this election: two in Calgary, one in Edmonton, and another in the booming oilsands area around Fort McMurray.

The Liberals and the NDP are bringing up the rear in the polls, mainly fighting each other for seats in Edmonton. With the polls showing the two front runners close, talk of a minority government has emerged in recent days.

Mason was asked about hat prospect of holding the balance of power during the debate.

He hedged on which of the conservative parties he'd back, saying he would support whoever adopted the most NDP policies.

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02:49 PM on 04/13/2012
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11:10 AM on 04/13/2012
I was unable to listen to most of the debate, but what I did hear was uninspiring and vague. This format is just too condensed to allow for any real critical analysis. In the end I was left with hope that a minority government might still be a possible outcome. The big question mark is if the NDP and Liberals will have enough seats to to help form an effective minority.
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05:21 AM on 04/13/2012
In another week, we'll see whether Alberta chooses a radical right wing anti-Canadian Conservative government, or an ultra-radical right wing anti-Canadian Wildrose government.
11:18 AM on 04/13/2012
Agreed. Amazing how little attention Albertans pay to the fine details. They want change...so let's just jump from the frying pan into the fire. Alberta needs a leader who can take this province from being insular, angry and narrow-minded to one that is actually a positive force within the country. If WR forms government, we are going in the wrong direction.
12:31 PM on 04/13/2012
We as Albertans must blame ourselves for this. We do not vote. If we support other more liberal centralist thinking we complain but do not vote. I have done door to door knocking for several candidates who supported centralist platforms only to see them lose with only a 25% turnout at the polls. If we want change we have to do something about it. I was in the hospital during the last provincial election and I was shocked to find that most hospital nurses either voted for the PC's or did not vote. I was told by several nurses that the federal Liberal Government cut the funding to to health care in Alberta and that is why there were funding problems. Frightening. But it will get worse we have the hightest high school drop out rate in Canada. My son was receiving a great deal of pressure from high school adminsitration to go into the trade program and abandon his desire to go to university. He went to university. He is such a radical he is doing liberal arts. I expect the shunning to begin shortly on our family.
02:48 AM on 04/13/2012
Smith stood there with a Harperish grin on her face, speaking in monotone. Redford nailed her, especially on the Danny Bucks scheme, and at least showed some emotion. The Liberal leader spoke like a car salesman. The NDP leader was calm, straight up, but uninspiring.
If anyone lost the debate it appeared to be Smith, but overall, there was no clear winner.
Albertans are going to have to sit down, look at the party agendas, talk to their local candidates, and make their decisions based on what they feel and think is right, not on the outcome of this debate and who may or may not have won or lost it!
At least that's what they'll do if they have a lick of sense!
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02:49 AM on 04/13/2012
If Smith is Harper, Alison is Iggy.
11:19 AM on 04/13/2012
Smith is indeed Harper. Many of the people who worked for Harper in the backrooms now work for Wildrose...Smith is merely their person at the microphone.
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Egotism is a weakness
02:34 AM on 04/13/2012
Smith being pro-choice is a positive, not a negative; speaks to me that she has at least some progressive leanings. Might be enough for me to overlook the crazier aspects of the Wildrose party, maybe not. I'm certainly not comfortable with the PCs in power ever since Stelmach took over, cause they are a party without any sort of vision past throwing money at everything until the coffers are empty (and they are getting sucked dry at ridiculous levels)

I think everyone in Alberta breathed a sigh of relief when Ralph Klein finally dragged the province out of debt, cause then we'd thought we'd start seeing our public services being built up again after decades of them being slowly strangled and squeezed. All we got instead was rampant unchecked and uncontrolled spending that seems to have done virtually nothing except for the PCs to say "Oops, we're running a couple billion dollars deficit, but don't worry we have our rainy day fund for such an occasion!"

So what's the choice? Vote PCs and see more money being flushed down the toilet? Or vote Wildrose hoping that they have some actual fiscal sense, and hope that the extreme elements in their party won't be able to pass through socially regressive policy?

Alberta is out of debt, and we don't even get dental!
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09:05 AM on 04/13/2012
Vote NDP and let the smart party take care of everything.
11:31 AM on 04/13/2012
No, everyone in Alberta did NOT breathe a sigh of relief when 'Klein finally dragged the province out of debt'. He was not interested in seeing the public services built up again. He relished being the one who did an untold amount of damage to public services.
Erasing the debt was nothing but a shell game because while the 'debt' was being erased, Klein was causing a gigantic infrastructure deficit that had to be rebuilt during a time when Alberta was in a boom. Klein was happy to have more and more people coming to Alberta to fill the need for more workers, but he did NOTHING to provide the hospitals, schools, roads,etc. that this increase in population would require.
The PCs under Redford are trying to fix the damage; Smith has no specifics about how the WR would be able to do the things in their platform. All talk but no details.
I never would have thought I would be cheering for the PCs in Alberta, but the WR have put me in that position. The enemy of my enemy has become my friend!
01:39 AM on 04/13/2012
As the potential leader of a province ,Tonights effort says three things Fail,Fail,Fail!
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Release the Hydrogen Economy now!
12:32 AM on 04/13/2012
Fear not, the Oil Cartel Law Firms will straighten out either Smith or Redford in short order and raid the Provincial coffers for billions in Corporate Welfare.

Alaska writes a $1000 cheque to each citizen every year from oil royalties.

Norway's Oil Fund is over $500 Billion and is maintained outside of government so corrupt and corrupted politicians can't get their hands on it.

The Heritage Fund was capped at $15 Billion by Klein who ran Billions out under-the-table to the Oil Cartel for 13 years and who is now a MAJOR drain on the health care system from all those years of drinking and smoking!

So, by any measure, The Oil Cartel has stolen $300 Billion out of this Province and these political clowns are talking education and healthcare!
01:21 AM on 04/13/2012
Klien is a MAOR drain on the health care system? Thanks for not being dramatic.
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Release the Hydrogen Economy now!
08:15 PM on 04/13/2012
Ya, think!

All his years in office, when SMOKING was prohibited in government buildings, there he was having a ROOM set aside in the government parliament buildings where he and his cronies SMOKED.

He goes to a Health Care Conference in Ottawa, bails on an evening session and is spotted in a Casino across the river in Hull.

He has a Health Care Conference in Edmonton where he is to give the keynote address and has to bail because of a "lung" condition.

He shows up drunk at a homeless shelter, berates those inside and tells them to "get jobs" before tossing coins on the floor.

He tells Reader's Digest that he and the wife have been life long "smokers".

His lungs are shot leading to a whole bunch of other ailments.

So, yeah, that is DRAMATIC!
12:22 PM on 04/13/2012
It amazes me how fearful everyone is about this subject. It is the elephant in the room. The Klein government was a bully. The Calgary Herald ran some columns which critized the government and Klein pulled all government advertising from the Herald and put it in the Sun. It did the same thing with CBC.
This government has gutted the automobile insurance benefits to the people injured by motor vehicle accidents. Resulting in historic profits year after year for automobile insurance companies. My premiums have not dropped.
11:57 PM on 04/12/2012
the right VS extra right wing battle is ridiculous. As an Albertan I am embarrassed of this province's politics. Canada, please realize that there are logical people in Alberta. sadly we are the minority. In this province, if you don't support big oil and cowboy boots you are a social outcast. The only hope is if urban Alberta can fight for progressive values and break the blanket of corporatism and rural based social conservatism.
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11:54 PM on 04/12/2012
'The Wildrose leader, who just recently revealed she is personally pro-choice, has been fighting fears that the social-conservative wing of her party would use new citizen-initiated referendum rules to overturn contentious issues such as public funding for abortion.'
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Alberta still part of Canada? A woman's right to a safe and legal abortion is indeed a right, is it not? What power does a provincial government have to deny this?
12:19 AM on 04/13/2012
there is not such a thing as ' woman's right to a safe and legal abortion' as it's an oxymoron in today's day thanks to the advancements of the technology - fetus is a unique being with its own DNA, separate from a woman't body but in her body for a period of time. this fact is being recognized by some jurisdictions throughout the world already but here we're stuck thinking based on 1970s understanding of the issue. government' s role involves protection of those that cannot protect themselves - fetus included. no rights should trample these rights especially when it is a convenience abortion.
12:36 AM on 04/13/2012
The entire debate is moot as Abortion cannot be banned or delisted by any provincial government as it falls under federal law and the Canadian Health Act. WildRose is not campaigning to ban or delist abortions anyhow. It's the usual fear and smear tactic by the PC's
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11:42 PM on 04/12/2012
Raj has my vote. Smith and Redford scare the hell out of me. Talk is cheap, action speaks volumes.
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11:26 PM on 04/12/2012
I was pretty impressed with Redford, compared to the others. Compared to Smith, she's on the left side of moderate. Smith scared me by just glaring into the camera and rambling off talking points and making strange contradictory statements about not tackling social issues, not muzzling her MLAs opinions on social issues, citizen-initiated referenda, conscience rights and freedom of religion:

The thing is, they're still trying to appeal to that Reform Party base, and, possibly, with Danni Dollars, to people who don't normally vote or who are a lot less well-off.

Aren't they just saying that, hey, we'll give everyone $300 if you vote for us. But $300 doesn't mean much if, a year or two later, they're cutting health care services and schools (like the Tories did when the economy turned after Ralph had sent out his rebates to everybody a few years back).
12:24 AM on 04/13/2012
You pretty much stole my thunder....well said!
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09:34 AM on 04/13/2012
You took the words out of my mouth. It is time Albertans truly see who these right wingnuts are all about. We need to take another direction in Alberta, even a minority government is better than a majority right wing party.
11:20 PM on 04/12/2012
I have lived in Alberta for almost 15 years now and every election the majority of Albertans (those who deign to vote), vote for the PCs. Then they complain about every decision that the government makes ... like the one that Ralph Klein made to cut every aspect of the health care delivery system, and privatize the food and janitorial services of the hospitals, nurses were laid off in droves, closed and / or demolished hospitals ... there was not one policy that I can remember that had the approval of the people.
Now they are saying that the Wildrose Party is soooooo popular and may actually take a bunch of seats ... All I can say is, from the frying pan right into the fire!!
Elections in Alberta is simply an exercise to see how many more benefits the corporations can get from each "new" government ...
10:10 PM on 04/12/2012
Alberta, Sask. and to some extent, B.C. are driving the bus for growth and prosperity for the entire country. Sit back and watch how smaller government with lower taxes works. Left wing government, organized labour and socialist ideals have been proven to be an epic fail. end.
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10:34 PM on 04/12/2012
Hate to tell ya Skippy, but all that growth is fueled by natural resource extraction. And what kind of jobs are those? UNION jobs, my friend. As for lower taxes? Well, I live in BC. Let me know when my lower taxes arrive, will ya? Have a little meeting with your three fans and get your facts straight.
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giantsteps
11:43 PM on 04/12/2012
You took the words out of my mouth.
01:34 AM on 04/13/2012
Rather live in those provinces than the socialist utopiaof Have-Not Ontario ,Skippy
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as above, so below.
11:40 PM on 04/12/2012
they dont work. look south friend. you want a working system? look to scandanavia.
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02:30 AM on 04/13/2012
Bingo!
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TonyOnly
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07:00 PM on 04/12/2012
We already have PM Harper who runs the country on Alberta's behalf.

So how many Premiers does tiny Alberta need?
10:53 PM on 04/12/2012
Don't you mean "Big Alberta" as in biggest economic GDP per capita in Canada nearly 40% larger than Ontario.
02:36 AM on 04/13/2012
Can't you say anything about Alberta without mentioning Ontario?

Seriously, last I checked, it's called CANADA.
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Truth matters.
04:00 PM on 04/13/2012
I'm sorry, but I don't think I blamed Albertans.

I admonished Harper for ignoring the region where where 62% of the Canadian population live. Something which the federal governments of the succeeding countries you mentioned, have not done. They enacted policies which benefited their population centers. While Harper chooses instead to concentrate on oil royalties to combat the deficit his overspending on the military and corporate tax cuts created.

Yes, provincial governments have a responsibility. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't get help from the Feds. In fact, Harper's been making it worse by downloading federal expenses onto them.
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11:20 PM on 04/12/2012
This post won the "dumbest thing I've read today" award, which is quite an achievement given that I've been reading comments on the leaders debate all night. That was no walk in the park either.