F-35 Fighter Jet Cost Questions Date Back To 2010

Posted: 04/12/2012 6:30 am Updated: 04/15/2012 10:26 pm

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The question of whether Canada should buy 65 F-35 Joint Strike Fighters from Lockheed Martin has been debated for less than two years, though it may seem like it's been going on for much longer. (CP)


The question of whether Canada should buy 65 F-35 Joint Strike Fighters from Lockheed Martin has been debated for less than two years, though it may seem like it's been going on for much longer.


The issue even led to the 2011 federal election, when opposition MPs voted non-confidence in the government after requests for details on the cost of the F-35s and the Conservatives' crime legislation went unanswered.


Defence Minister Peter MacKay, Public Works Minister Rona Ambrose and then-industry minister Tony Clement announced on July 16, 2010, that Canada would buy the fighter jets to replace its CF-18s.


The Liberals had initiated a memorandum of understanding with Lockheed Martin and a number of allied countries to develop the jets, but Canada has not signed a contract for the purchase.


Since July 2010, the question of whether the $9-billion cost is accurate has been as widely debated as the question of whether there should have been an open competition.


On April 3, Auditor General Michael Ferguson reported the government’s internal cost estimates from 2010 were almost $10 billion higher than the $16 billion they'd said publicly. The government says they weren't including fuel or pilot salaries in their estimate, arguing that's normal.


As it turns out, the government had a number of occasions to provide a tally of the full costs — besides the repeated questions in the House of Commons, committee appearances and interviews.


Since July 2010, Liberal MPs have tabled at least 20 order paper questions in the House. An order paper question allows for more detailed queries and responses than the oral fireworks in question period. But none yielded the information the auditor general dug up.


July 16, 2010: MacKay, Ambrose and Clement announce the government will buy 65 F-35 fighter jets.

Asked about maintenance and support costs, Ambrose was coy.


"Of course we have some estimates, but the actual aircraft is not in production yet. When the aircraft comes off the production line, we expect to negotiate the in-service support costs," she said.


Oct. 6, 2010: House finance committee request

The House finance committee, working from a motion by Liberal MP Scott Brison, requested that the Department of Finance give it "the estimated cost of the F-35 aircraft per airplane, how this fits into the fiscal framework, and that this material be submitted to the committee within 10 days."


The response cited National Defence estimates and said the per-plane cost was "in the low- to mid- $70 million US over the timeframe Canada is planning on purchasing aircraft. This is the unit cost per aircraft and does not include related costs such as spare parts, weapons, training or infrastructure."


The answer also said the F-35 project wouldn't need "new or unplanned sources of funds" because money had already been earmarked in previous budgets.


Nov. 17, 2010: Another House finance committee request

The House finance committee followed up its first request by asking for "all documents that outline acquisition costs, lifecycle costs, and operational requirements associated with the F-35 program and prior programs (CF-18)."


National Defence responded by saying it would take 10 weeks of work by the entire F-35 program management team. "As such, a complete response to the request cannot be provided within the required seven calendar days," as per the request.


Feb. 7, 2011: A question of privilege

Brison rose in the House on a question of privilege, complaining that the government was infringing on his privilege as a member of Parliament by refusing to hand over the information MPs had requested. Then-speaker Peter Milliken listened to arguments but wouldn't rule for another month.


Feb. 17, 2011: Government turns over more documents

The government tables more documents, but not enough to satisfy opposition MPs.


Feb. 28, 2011: House votes to force production

MPs voted on a motion ordering the government to produce the documents ordered by the finance committee. The motion passed, giving the government a March 7 deadline.


March 9, 2011: The Speaker rules

Milliken ruled that, in his view, the documents provided by the government on Feb. 17, 2011, weren’t enough to satisfy the request by MPs on the finance committee. He said he found the government's lack of response to be "unsettling," but also pointed to a greater concern of "the absence of an explanation for the omissions." He had ruled the year before that the powers of the House to request documents is "broad" and "absolute."


March 17, 2011: Parliamentary budget officer reports on F-35 costs

Parliamentary Budget Officer Kevin Page estimated it would cost $29.3 billion to buy the planes and keep them flying for 30 years (the government's estimate was based on 20 years and, MacKay said on April 10, 2012, does not include the cost of fuel or pilot salaries).


Also on March 17, the government provided documents requested by the Finance committee on the cost of its crime legislation and corporate tax cuts, but only in English, so they couldn't be distributed to MPs, according to the rules of the House. The documents were requested in the same motion that requested the F-35 records.


MacKay called Page's findings "flawed."


March 21, 2011: Contempt of Parliament

A report by the procedure and House affairs committee, with Conservative MPs disagreeing, said "the government's failure to produce documents constitutes a contempt of Parliament."


March 25, 2011: The House falls

The Liberals put a motion of non-confidence based on that report in front of the House and the government falls, triggering the May 2, 2011, federal election.


June 23, 2011: The finance committee picks up where it left off

The Finance committee returns to its request, asking for the documents tabled March 17 to be translated into French. The documents are tabled March 16, 2012.


April 3, 2012: The auditor general reports

Auditor General Michael Ferguson says National Defence likely underestimated the full cost of the F-35 and didn't give complete information to Parliament. Ferguson says the department's own estimate puts personnel, operating and maintenance costs at $16 billion, for a total 20-year cost of $25 billion for the F-35s.


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greysells2
grey cells matter
04:19 PM on 04/12/2012
Why cannot the new Super F-18's and Upgraded F-16's be considered?
01:25 AM on 04/14/2012
They can.
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Taylor Jay
I don't align myself with any political party.
03:21 PM on 04/12/2012
i grew up with pride that Canada was a peacekeeping nation involved all across the world. in the past few months we've killed all that ideology. Our foreign human rights orginization was shut down as they are working on removing our rights at home. Canada is becoming the aggressor in the world, is it a position we really want to take? I know Canadians are not as stupid as Americans, Canadian soldiers are disgusted that they are raiding afghan homes without warrants, without even notifying the afghan police, we are terrorizing other countries as we speak. removing rights of people who want to speak out about it. And has anyone seen a peaceful protest that hasn't ended up being surrounded by 500 Canadian riot troopers lately?

Police state or not? weigh in.
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08:26 PM on 04/13/2012
WORLD, has changed, have you noticed.....
Free to go.....
01:27 AM on 04/14/2012
Canada used to be known as a peace keeping nation a long time ago. However, for some reason, it's become part of the American war machine. America is always going to be in a state of war, but we don't have to.
02:49 PM on 04/12/2012
Over two years ago the Pentagon was notified that the unit cost of the F-35 (i.e. the purchase price per plane, and nothing more..) had ballooned more than 50%, and at that point (March 2010) it was in the range of $80 to $95 million per plane, measured in 2002 dollars:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/03/12/lockheed-fighter-idUSN1123180820100312

Over one year ago the Pentagon concluded (in an internal memo) that "affordability is no longer embraced as a core pillar":

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/03/the-f-35-a-weapon-that-costs-more-than-australia/72454/

The unit cost is currently reported (to Congress) to be in the range of $112.5 million, measured in current (2012) dollars:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2866921/posts

Got that?

The Tories knew all that. They had to, as it was public knowledge (took me ten seconds to find it on "Google"). Their claims that this aircraft was going to cost in the range of $75 million per plane was nonsense, and has been so for years.

This project (at least the Canadian portion of it) has been underlined by poor planning, poor number crunching, a lack of honesty, an overabundance of hubris, and a resolute stand on denying Canadians the truth.

All hallmarks of Canadian conservatism...
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Warren Yuill
Jesus Built My Hot-Rod
02:16 PM on 04/12/2012
Since 1982 the Cf-18 program has cost 20+ billion.
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tnanimation
05:27 PM on 04/12/2012
From a military hardware standpoint, pretty good bang for the buck.