Jean Chretien: Liberal-NDP Merger Would Stabilize Canadian Politics

Posted: 04/16/2012 3:47 pm Updated: 04/17/2012 8:56 am

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OTTAWA - Jean Chretien is still promoting the idea of Liberals and New Democrats merging into one federal party, despite strong objections to the NDP's approach to Quebec independence.

In an interview Monday, the former Liberal prime minister dismissed suggestions that a merger now — when the Liberals have been reduced to a third-party rump and New Democrats are on the rise — would amount to an NDP takeover of his once-mighty party.

Chretien said the shape of a new political entity would not be determined by the number of seats each party holds but by the respective strength of their ideas.

"In a new party, this (numbers game) does not matter anymore. It's intellectual capacity that will make the difference," he told The Canadian Press.

On that score, Chretien expressed confidence the Liberals would hold their own in any merger negotiations and that their predominantly centrist viewpoint would prevail.

"I'm sure," he said categorically.

"The result of a situation like that is you would have a new party that would be a centrist party."

The historical references of the new party would be iconic Liberals like Sir Wilfrid Laurier, in much the same way that Sir John A. Macdonald is a touchstone for the current Conservative party, formed in 2003 from a merger of the Progressive Conservatives and Canadian Alliance, Chretien said.

"The minority group in the merger was the party of John A. Macdonald," he pointed out.

Chretien allowed that "the harsh left-wingers of the NDP might not be very comfortable and the very conservative Liberals might not be very comfortable" with a new centrist party.

But noting that Canada has had three minority governments since 2004 and describing the current Conservative majority as "very narrow," he predicted a merger would "create a lot of political stability in the land."

Chretien vehemently disagrees with the NDP's position that a bare majority referendum vote would be sufficient to kick start negotiations on Quebec secession.

As prime minister, he introduced the Clarity Act, which stipulates that the federal government would only enter into such negotiations following a "clear majority" vote on a clear question.

He noted Monday that most countries, corporations, private clubs and political parties, including the NDP, require qualified majorities to change their own constitutions or structures.

"You need two-thirds of the vote in the NDP to change anything in the constitution of the NDP but with one vote you will break Canada?"

Chretien said the NDP position would mean one person who accidentally checked the wrong box on a referendum ballot could decide the fate of the entire country.

"You don't lose a vote because somebody does not have his glasses, you do not lose a country because of that. . .I find it's flawed logic," he said.

Still, Chretien shrugged off suggestions that such a fundamental disagreement on such a crucial question could be an insurmountable obstacle to a merger. He predicted the NDP would abandon its position should it ever form government.

"If you come with promises in your program that make no sense, you will not implement them. Common sense has to prevail in public life."

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12:51 PM on 04/18/2012
I totally agree. It is a really sensible idea, Jean.
11:09 AM on 04/17/2012
Chretien, should crawl back into his hole, he has done enough damage to this country over his terms in office. By the simple fact... he did nothing !!!
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02:53 AM on 04/18/2012
Except leave with a surplus.
01:17 AM on 04/27/2012
Which the conservatives rapidly squandered.
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10:43 AM on 04/17/2012
I have a better idea. Quit the LIbs, and join the NDP. Then start voting NDP. No, thanks two right-wing corporate dominated parties is enough. I don't want a deal with Jean where suddenly I am a "Liberal-Deomcrat". Ugh, makes me want to take a shower just saying it.
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and another thing . . .
04:19 AM on 04/17/2012
The BIG question would be - WHY would the NDP consider such a merger now? Mulcair can probably carry Quebec, his acceptance by Canadians outside of Quebec is growing and the NDP is being considered as a possible Government by more Canadians than ever before. Why would they merge? They might just think that the Liberals will fade away and they'll be the Liberal replacement on the political stage. It could well be.
Of course, the CPC might start to fracture! Wouldn't that be a welcome event :) Hard right-wingers usually can't get along with people for very long, so it's possible too. It'll be just like the good old days with the PC's . . .
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08:04 AM on 04/17/2012
just being the d e vi l's advocate here........and this is only from personal experience ......BUT......I know a few NDP supporters who liked the NDP because of Jack....now that Layton is gone who knows
goleafsgo
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11:25 AM on 04/17/2012
I agree, canobserv...Jack was special...the NDP have had a few leaders such as Stephen Lewis - a great Canadian. a great humanitarian and recipient of the Order of Canada.   But, as you say, "who knows."
11:35 PM on 04/16/2012
you don't need a merger, you need an alteration of the voting method to reflect popular wishes, and facilitate coalition governments. for example, during the election parties could form pacts to deliver a majority. this would accomplish what chretien wants, but is also a purer form of democracy. neither the liberals nor anyone else would have to sacrifice their party ideology insofar as it does not affect their ability to collectively run the government.
so if there really 60% of canadians who fall left of centre, you'd generally get moderate, left of centre coalitions.

depending on your view of fragmentation, altering the way we elect governments in canada is outdated; we can do better at democracy. no one said politics should be easy!
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10:47 PM on 04/16/2012
I like his point of view , Chretien has a clever vision of the future and his name will remain on Canadian history forever.
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A radical leftist with a JS Woodsworth avatar.
11:26 PM on 04/16/2012
As the man who (in the long run) destroyed the federal Liberals.
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11:38 PM on 04/16/2012
I rue the day they lost power. Canada has never been the same. Ask yourself. Are you better off now with Harper?
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08:19 PM on 04/16/2012
The new Lib-NDP-Bloc-Green-Marxist coalition is bound to be a big success. But how will they ever be able to choose a leader? Bobby/Tom/Elizabeth - so much talent how could we ever settle on just one demi-god?
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08:27 PM on 04/16/2012
What a goofy and empty post. Do you get paid for this? Hope not.
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08:30 PM on 04/16/2012
Richard: So please counter my goofy and empty post with an intelligent one rather than your vacuum.
09:38 PM on 04/16/2012
Are you having a laugh??

The NDP are a one-cycle opposition party, and the Liberals are leaving their future up to Bob Rae (pause for laughter). The Bloc are going to take back Quebec in an election and Ontario is going to move away from Liberal policies after McGuinty's awful tenure we've had. Conservative look bright and will be here to stay for awhile.
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10:13 PM on 04/16/2012
Hey goofball, take a break. Your unsubstantiated bullshit pollutes the air.
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08:41 AM on 04/17/2012
Ross: 1) Yes. 2) I agree with all that you state.
08:14 PM on 04/16/2012
A merger is highly unlikely.

The NDP doesn't need the Liberal Party.

New Democrats are doing well.

After 145 years,a defeated Liberal Party could use Chretien's help to re-brand itself and start again.

Re-branding took the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada approximately 15 years - (1988-2003) - emerging as the CPC.

The NDP and Mulcair seem to be the fresh start many Canadians are seeking.
07:58 PM on 04/16/2012
The problem is one man's "center" is another man's right-wing.
07:55 PM on 04/16/2012
I am sick to death of the left splitting their vote allowing conservatives to form a government ... time to merge already .. past time imo .. hurry up and get the job done.
08:13 PM on 04/16/2012
Yes. 39% of 60% is NOT the majority of Canadians. Either unite the left or proportional representation. Short of that, get ready for a conservative majority forever.
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11:27 PM on 04/16/2012
You're assuming that the Liberals qualify as part of the "left."
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08:07 AM on 04/17/2012
anything is left....compared to the Reformers
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07:16 PM on 04/16/2012
It's just that my first post goofed. :)
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07:22 PM on 04/16/2012
So put up my 2nd post if you put this up!!
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07:14 PM on 04/16/2012
I am trying to post this comment on M. Chretien's interview. For reasons beyond belief no matter what they are, we cannot comment on the interview with former PM Chretien about the constitution, a Lib-NDP coalition, etc. So here is my response:

M. Chretien was a great Canadian, from his days as a Trudeau confidante (despite huge “cultural” differences) to his majority governments. To me, it is unbelievable how a few sponsorship contracts to buy Canadian flags and hockey rink space or whatever, involving theft/fraud of puny millions of dollars, none of which was ever found to have found its way into the pockets of a single federal Liberal minister or MP, brought the Libs down. Justice Gomery really performed like a puffed up jerk and no one really called him on it.

Paul Martin is blamed by many for allowing the enquiry. Certainly, Mr. Harper would never allow such a thing and he has ten times, nay a hundred times worse mistakes and cover-ups to answer to. Mr. Martin thought he was doing the right and honourable thing.

He was. But Right Honourable doesn’t get you much in this town.

CBC.ca is into censorship big time.
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07:52 PM on 04/16/2012
Well, not much success here on Huff Post. This is the first post I was trying to correct. It's CBC.ca which refused to allow comments on a major interview with one of our best PMs in recent decades. So I called them on it.

CBC.ca did allow my comment up on a secondary story. Credit for that.
08:17 PM on 04/16/2012
I agree with you about Chretien. He was a great PM and along with Paul Martin, ran a surplus budget for 11 years only to have it turned into a deficit by the cons 1 year later.

I will also state that if you like the way Canada is, it's likely because of the LPC being in charge for 80 of the last 100 years.
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11:47 AM on 04/17/2012
AmericCanuck,
Fanned and fav'd!
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07:12 PM on 04/16/2012
I don't know about a merger, but I'd support an electoral ceasfire in ridings where the vote is obviously split for one or the other.
This act is in exchange for a series of bills laid out to be enaacted by the super majority in the Commons to convince the now Conservative stacked Senate to allow them to pass.
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07:09 PM on 04/16/2012
Good idea............. no more Cons for Canada
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06:52 PM on 04/16/2012
as scared as i am of harper, and I am to death, a two party state that might develop is even worse. the corporations would buy our politicians even more thoroughly and quickly
goleafsgo
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11:49 AM on 04/17/2012
I hear you, Kristopher.   Agree about Harper, but still don't know about a merger.