Thatcher's Charter Challenge: British Cabinet Considered Rejecting Trudeau's Charter Of Rights

Posted: 04/16/2012 4:10 am Updated: 04/16/2012 1:24 pm

OTTAWA - The British cabinet considered denying Canada's proposal to create a Charter of Rights amid concern that Pierre Trudeau was pushing the plan without the desired backing of the provinces, declassified records show.

The once-secret deliberations of Margaret Thatcher's ministers in the early 1980s — made public by Britain's National Archives — cast new light on Trudeau's ultimately successful effort to patriate the Canadian Constitution.

Tuesday marks the 30th anniversary of Royal proclamation of the Constitution Act, which included an amending formula and the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The historic milestone was a significant step for Canada as a nation, and also ushered in a new era of entrenched rights for minorities that reshaped the legal landscape.

The British cabinet records show there was considerable constitutional angst not just in Canada, but across the pond, said Eric Adams, an assistant professor of law at the University of Alberta.

"There's this massive tug-of-war going on in which the rules are not clear, and in which politics and law are totally interwoven, and you can see how flummoxed this makes the British Parliament. They wish this issue would go away," said Adams.

"These memos represent the last moments when the British are wringing their hands about the difficult colonials across the ocean that are causing them headaches."

During a British cabinet discussion on Oct. 20, 1981, then-foreign minister Peter Carington told colleagues that Trudeau was talking of "substantial compromise" between the federal government and eight provinces with objections.

Still, "the possibility of such a compromise remained uncertain," the cabinet minutes say.

That was worrisome because the Supreme Court of Canada had just ruled that while the federal government could seek changes to the Constitution without provincial consent, doing so would violate convention.

It was noted during the cabinet session that the Supreme Court ruling "had increased the likelihood of the British Parliament rejecting the Canadian proposals."

The reason: if Ottawa overrode one constitutional convention by pushing ahead without provincial backing, Westminster could not reasonably be bound by another — the long-held notion that Britain was no longer entitled to intervene in Canadian matters.

The Thatcher cabinet feared a parliamentary vote against the Canadian plan.

"If this happened, Britain would be accused of interfering in Canadian affairs and Anglo-Canadian relations would be severely damaged," say the minutes.

As a result, further thought would be needed as to what Britain might do should its legislators reject the Canadian proposals, add the minutes.

"Simple patriation of the Constitution, with the amending formula but without the Bill of Rights proposed by the Canadian Government, might then be the best course."

However, the minutes note such a decision could prompt charges of inappropriate British meddling.

In the end, Trudeau won sufficient provincial support to avert such a crisis in London.

But the cabinet minutes make it clear that securing the Queen's signature on legislation that included a Charter of Rights was never a mere formality.

In October 1980, Thatcher told visiting Canadian cabinet ministers that while Britain would agree to a patriation request even without the support of all provinces, "inclusion of a Bill of Rights was liable to cause controversy and delay in this country," say minutes from November of that year.

Many British Conservative MPs would have been skeptical of an American-style bill of rights, said Adams.

"I think, reading between the lines, it's largely on the grounds that it was something foreign to British constitutional tradition," he said. "Why was Canada abandoning British constitutional tradition and embracing rights? That would have been confounding and disturbing for many of these members of Parliament."

Britain was also wary of wading in while the Canadian courts were deliberating.

At a Nov. 27, 1980, cabinet meeting, Thatcher summed things up by recommending a "personal message" be sent to Trudeau.

It would spell out that while Britain was "firmly committed in principle" to introducing in Parliament "whatever measure" Canada requested — passage would be "greatly eased and speeded up" if the Canadian Supreme Court had first given its blessing.

Still, as Carington wrote in a cabinet memo, Britain had "a major interest" in maintaining good relations with Canada — "an important Commonwealth country with a significant role to play in the Western alliance and on the international scene generally."

"To go back now on what the Canadians will regard as our undertakings over patriation would be to invite a major row."

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08:05 PM on 04/17/2012
"Why was Canada abandoning British constitutional tradition and embracing rights?"
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Indeed.
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07:52 PM on 04/16/2012
Good old Maggie. Not content to completely destroy the middle class in the U.K. (like her counterpart Ronald Reagan), it turns out she was ready to deny a sovereign country it's right to self determination as well.
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RudyHaugeneder
06:57 PM on 04/16/2012
It's sad that Trudeau died early and Thatcher is still alive.
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08:49 PM on 04/16/2012
Fanned.
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agness nutter
What fresh hell is this?
08:59 PM on 04/17/2012
The day of his death was a dark, cold day...
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RudyHaugeneder
06:47 PM on 04/16/2012
Trudeau was the only real international leader during his time in office. Thatcher was an ignorant shop keeper at birth and remained one for the rest of her life -- a wicked and murderous one at that.
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07:52 PM on 04/16/2012
Well said! Fanned and faved my friend!
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feuille derable
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04:29 PM on 04/16/2012
Keep your british nose out of my country. That goes for your monarch too!
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Spanky McFarlane
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12:59 PM on 04/16/2012
The truth be told , it looks as Britain (the UK) is heading for a similar fate in that at some point it's member States will require better defined Rights & Freedoms in the near future.
The strength of the Scottish separatist Party is testimony to this.
It sure looks like Canada in it's composition as a a 'Federation' may have not only provided light on the route to take, but may well have held the torch thanks to Trudeau the visionary & Chretien the scrapper.

So sad that in comparison today, all that Mr. Harper brings to the table seems to be his knife & fork? (snicker)
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Tyler Austin
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12:21 PM on 04/16/2012
See Harper? now you can throw a Charter party too- oh and can we have the effigy of Thatcher when you're done with it?
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Spanky McFarlane
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08:02 PM on 04/16/2012
Harper would much rather champion his idol's Bill of Rights- the one Diefenbaker drew up that was non-binding on the Provinces....yay!, go team Tory, ! LMAO!
03:52 AM on 04/17/2012
True, but the charter is part of our constitution and Quebec never signed on, and at least 2 other provinces had to be bought off by Trudeau to have the constitution brought home
04:28 AM on 04/17/2012
John Diefenbaker must be rolling in his grave to be idolized by Stephen Harper. The Chief had principles and cared deeply about civil rights. Hardly a description of our present PM
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Kenneth T Tellis
12:03 PM on 04/16/2012
It is now in the hands of the Harper government to reject the SPECIOUS CHARTER of RIGHTS and FREEDOMS that was dumped upon the Canadian people by Pierre-Elliott TRUDEAU without the consent of the PROVINCES, and is thus invalid to say the least. No document ever restricted the RIGHTS and FREEDOMS of CANADIANS more that this dispicable piece of polirical FLIM-FLAM than what some IDIOTS are celebrating as an achievement by the biggest a MACHIAVELLIAN scoundrel that Canada ever produced,.
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Michael747
01:07 PM on 04/16/2012
please be specific sir! exactly which rights does the charter deny me?
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4evercanadian
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01:21 PM on 04/16/2012
The right to bare arms? You know, on those muggy, humid eastern and prairie days/nights when anyone would kill to have the right to bare arms. ;-)
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Irazu
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02:21 PM on 04/16/2012
Good question - the idea that Canadians should have any rights at all is controversial, to some.

The poster seems confused by his animus toward PET - a "Charter of Rights and Freedoms" might well be subject to many valid criticisms - but it seems a bit oxymoronic to suggest that the document actually "restricts" rights!

On the other hand, it certainly DOES restrict the rights of government when it comes to arbitrary rule - so, naturally, the Harperite hate it worse than honesty.
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Kristopher Leang
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04:03 PM on 04/16/2012
No document has ever so fully defined and protected the rights of individuals. hands down. so says the evidence and facts too. you wouldn't be interested in those though your a neo-conservative.
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JeanFrancois Lord
10:26 AM on 04/16/2012
Hey , where are the Trudeau basher? Got nothing?
09:44 AM on 04/16/2012
oh shoot, it is too bad she didn't do it. we would have been done with england once and for all, including the monarchy.
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04:30 PM on 04/16/2012
it will happen....
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07:55 PM on 04/16/2012
Your post makes no sense. Do some reading.
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sgillhoolley
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09:12 AM on 04/16/2012
I think that this shows why it was so important for Canada to truly separate from Britain...."These memos represent the last moments when the British are wringing their hands about the difficult colonials across the ocean that are causing them headaches."

If something as important as this was merely a headache for the British Parliamentarians, how much thought about Canada were they generally having? Did they understand our issues, or even care about them? Unlikely. Our problems were a headache that they wished would just go away, and as long as it went away they didn't care how or why. Leaders need to understand the needs of the people and address them. It is always better to be a citizen than a subject...poor Brits.
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08:48 AM on 04/16/2012
Silly, silly man he was.
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Kristopher Leang
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04:08 PM on 04/16/2012
ya because rights are dumb. how much easier it would be if harper could just ignore all those silly things called rights and make us corporate servants outright.. but alas we do have rights and live in a world where people actually care about their children and their own basic wellbeing.
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05:54 PM on 04/16/2012
Now I seem to remember an adage about pots and kettles......how did that go again?
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06:12 PM on 04/16/2012
In Ontario, they will send 4 year old to school, babies, they should stay home and play. McGuity's care.....parents voted him in, again....
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valar84
08:46 AM on 04/16/2012
"In the end, Trudeau won sufficient provincial support to avert such a crisis in London."

In other words, he got the English-speaking provinces to back his position and did everything against the will of Québec, which still refuses to sign it, whether they are sovereignist or, in a rare display of backbone, federalist. It's one of the great betrayals of Québec's history and it explains much of what happened in the following 15 years: the Mulroney wave in Québec by promising constitutional reform, Meech Lake, the Charlottetown referendum, (federalist) Bourassa's speech that Québec remains now and forever a distinct society free to decide its fate which led the PQ leader to go across the aisle in the National Assembly to shake his hand, the PQ's subsequent election and the 1995 referendum which had the slimmest of margins possible.

This betrayal still creates a state of constitutional unease and has led Québécois to more and more identify with Québec and not Canada, as it is seen, justly, as a rejection from English-speaking Canada of Québec and its aspirations.
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08:50 AM on 04/16/2012
I see it, as rejection of England.
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sgillhoolley
Occupy the discussion.
09:14 AM on 04/16/2012
As the generations age the Separatists will fade away. The young generation of French in Quebec almost all speak English, and understand that it is, currently, the international business language. Previous generations of French have refused to learn it, and as a result their are economically poor in general. I am an Anglo who recently moved back to Quebec, and both of my children are going to be bilingual, at a minimum. The Charter of Rights and Freedoms was a long-overdue guarantee of our basic rights.
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valar84
09:41 AM on 04/16/2012
Learning another language doesn't mean that you abdicate your right to live in your own society in your own language and give up on defending your language and culture. Being open to others doesn't mean that you become a doormat.

The young are not turning their back on sovereignty at all. They just don't feel the urgency of doing it right now, they haven't lived in a time where the English-speaking people held all the important positions and could impose their language on the majority. With the internet, their concerns have become more global in perspective... however, they also identify much more with Québec than with Canada. It would not take much for them to go to sovereignty, in fact, Harper's government, which betrays all the issues they hold dear like the environment and peace in the world, might be doing so faster than you realize.

Finally, your comment stinks of a mentality of English superiority, as you imply the only way to prosperity is to speak English.
08:27 AM on 04/16/2012
Too bad. Had they done it, we would have been rid of the monarchy by now.