4 Questions About Federal Prison Closures

CBC  |  Posted: 04/20/2012 5:30 pm Updated: 04/23/2012 10:24 pm

Kingston Pen Prison Closed
Public Safety Minister Vic Toews announced Thursday the government is closing three penal institutions — the Leclerc Institution in Laval, Que., Kingston Penitentiary in Ontario, and the Regional Treatment Centre at Kingston Penitentiary, which was the only federal correctional psychiatric facility in Ontario. (CP)


Public Safety Minister Vic Toews announced Thursday the government is closing three penal institutions — the Leclerc Institution in Laval, Que., Kingston Penitentiary in Ontario, and the Regional Treatment Centre at Kingston Penitentiary, which was the only federal correctional psychiatric facility in Ontario. Once they're closed in two years, the federal government will save $120 million a year. Here are four questions to ask about the closures.


Why Kingston?


Kingston Penitentiary is the oldest in Canada — older than Canada itself. It was built in 1835, although the Union of Canadian Correctional Officers points out it's had millions of dollars in renovations to update it. But one theory put forward by a panellist on CBC The National's At Issue panel is that the decision is political.


"I think, to put it really simply, that they're moving jobs from Liberal or opposition areas to Conservative, good Conservative areas. And they're adding cells, and where those cells are going to be is going to be really interesting," Chantal Hébert said.


"You're getting rid of 1,000 spaces. You are going to be reallocating them. Some of those expansions are taking place in Vic Toews' own riding."


Some of the new spaces will be going to Stony Mountain Institution, just outside Winnipeg, which was built in 1877. New Brunswick's Dorchester Institution is also "19th century," as Toews referred to Kingston Penitentiary, having been built in 1880.


Hébert also pointed out the federal government isn't consulting the provinces.


Where will inmates in the Regional Treatment Centre go?


There are only five corrections psychiatric treatment centres in the country, says Howard Sapers, Canada's correctional investigator. When Kingston's Regional Treatment Centre closes in two years, that will be four treatment centres with less than 700 beds — and they're all full. Kingston's RTC houses 140 inmates.


"There simply is no place to put them. Even if you wanted to go to inter-regional transfers, the other four treatment centres don't have the capacity to absorb this population," Sapers said.


"Clearly there is a need, a well-established need for 150 of these treatment beds in the Ontario region and unfortunately, sadly, the number of mentally-ill offenders is growing, not shrinking."


Jason Godin, a spokesman for the corrections union, says it will be a challenge to integrate prisoners from Kingston and Leclerc into other institutions.


"We have so many problems with gangs, organized crime. We have all kinds of mental health cases, which, you can't just assimilate those groups into other populations, into other institutions. It's going to create a lot of problems," he said.


Where will they put the prisoners?


The closures mean the government is moving 1,000 prisoners. They're expected to build 2,700 new spaces, but Justin Piché, who studies penal policy and prison construction at Memorial University in St. John's, Nfld., has said they won't have enough room for the existing maximum security prisoners.


Numbers provided to CBC News by Correctional Services Canada Friday show little extra room in the system. As of March, 2012, there are 14,916 inmates in federal institutions across the country. Total capacity in the system is only about 200 more than that: 15,115.


Ontario's correctional services minister said Thursday she doesn't think the decision has been properly thought through.


"We're already housing some of their inmates because they don't have space in their federal penitentiaries and now they're closing one of their largest ones, so I don't understand their decision," said Madeleine Meilleur.


"With C-10, there'll be more people that are being put in jail so we'll need more beds so it's going to put pressure to the province because we are already housing some of their clients."


Meilleur has previously said the omnibus federal crime bill will cost Ontario more than $1 billion in increased police and court costs, and estimates it could add another 1,500 inmates to the provincial system by 2016.


Carissima Mathen, a law professor at the University of Ottawa, says the closures raise a big capacity issue, and the government owes Canadians "very clear explanations" about how they're going to work.


"In the context of a prison population, you really want to make sure you've got all your ducks in a row… It's not like closing any other institution in society."


How will new mandatory minimum sentences add to the burden?


Toews says the influx of prisoners predicted by his department after the government brought in the truth in sentencing act never materialized. That law limited credit for time served, putting people in prison for longer, and was expected to be an extra burden on the system. The bill became law on Oct. 22, 2009.


But it takes months or years for serious crimes to make their way through the prison system. There's a backlog in the court system, meaning progress is slow. And the government's new mandatory minimum sentencing provisions, which became law March 13, 2012, still haven't taken effect.


"Unfortunately, gathering this kind of data, it does take time and it's difficult to do systemically because even though they're federal prisoners, it's all happening in provincial courts, so you've got tonnes of jurisdictions to deal with," said Mathen.


CSC would have intake information, she says, so Toews could be privy to numbers that aren't public yet.


"But even so, I would think it would take a while."


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09:59 AM on 04/23/2012
we should just cut to the chase and start selling our inmates to the highest bidder all ready
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Leanne McKenzie
You can't make this sh*t up.
05:26 PM on 04/22/2012
Conservative and Harper friends are already starting to build those private prisons (just like the US) and then all those people will magically be housed in cheap, overcrowded prisons, where the barely trained prison guards are paid the same as TSA and McDonalds employees
04:18 PM on 04/22/2012
Mr. Toews essentially called all Canadians not supporting his 'Crime Bill' C-10 pedophiles, Mr. Toews has Anonymous declared out of order in the House of Commons clearly not understanding anything about Anonymous or the Internet, and now Mr. Toews makes a broad sweeping decision to remove 1000 prisoners into Conservative ridings without a clear explanation as to the plan that would clarify how we house them, treat the psychiatric prisoners, what happens to the guards, staff that will more than likely hit the unemployment line soon driving up the numbers and strain on the overall system. He will also be putting the average person in danger as these psychiatric criminals are let out into the general population as is already happening with our overburdened mental health system. Mr. Toews is a true Harperite to the core. Removal of the Harperites will be much harder and slower than the rash, thoughtless decisions being made by this government unfortunately.
paintitblacker
shit happens life goes on
12:43 PM on 04/22/2012
vic toews , seriously? This person clearly lacks the morale fibre required to be the public safety minister , let alone "any" type of minister in any form of government . He could have done a lot to redeem his stature in the public opinion polls simply by insisting on "dangerous offender status" for Graham James, who has 5 victims to his credit , "that the public know of" . His inability to act ,in conjunction with his own predilection for teenagers , is akin to heaving the wolf ,guard the hen house , if this is the best Canada and steven harper have to offer , then we need to take canada back from his "lord and enslavior". not to mention 10 billion other reasons and counting
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SeeTheFnords
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10:12 PM on 04/21/2012
This whole thing stinks worse than week-old fishsticks. Just what do they intend to do with the psych patients - those deemed too mentally ill to be responsible for their crimes? Put them on an ice floe? Dump them in the streets? Put them in gen pop?

Sigh. Perhaps I'm getting old and cynical, but part of me thinks that the feds will fly them up to the northlands as work crews for Attipawaskat and other areas... sort of a Katimivik for cons.
paintitblacker
shit happens life goes on
12:52 PM on 04/22/2012
no they'll just give them weekend passe's ,like they did in Hfx, and if something happens the the attorney general for the province will interfere by claiming ,it my understanding that denny suffers from mental illness so there's no criminal charges warranted ,or something to that effect , this is clearly a conflict of interest as the people responsible sit on the criminal code review board and are mostly lawyers,and psychiatrists. toews blows!!
10:09 PM on 04/21/2012
This is how the Tories work lack of communication, planning and for those Provinces that dared to push back against their Rediculous crime bill, they will have their prisons closed, its that simple. This is the only way the RefoormCons Agenda to ensure that their move to Privatise Prisons in Canada are forced onto the various Provincial taxpayers.I really think all that they have to do is have the government force the middle class and the poor to work to 70 without a pension opportunity while of course reducing the taxes on Corporations by another 10 percent.
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Spanky McFarlane
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09:15 PM on 04/21/2012
Any Minister responsible for these closures should have been able to announce where these inmates would go- if they were doing there job that is. All we hear is they will be sent elsewhere in Canada , as if were some far of land, perhaps to the 'Americoner Conservatives it is?

How difficult is it to subtract from 1000 & state: 200 bunks will go hear, 300 will go here, etc, etc? This Government comes off half cocked on a good day & our bottom line more than reflects that sad reality.
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06:39 PM on 04/21/2012
"With C-10, there'll be more people that are being put in jail so we'll need more beds..."

The Omnibus Crime Bill C-10 proposes:

New criminal offences
New and increased mandatory minimum sentences
The selective elimination of conditional sentences
Increased pretrial detention and new, harsher sentencing principles for young offenders
Longer waiting times before individuals can apply for pardons
Increased barriers for Canadians detained abroad who wish to serve the remainder of their sentence at home
The Bill also introduces some changes outside the criminal justice system:
Amendments to the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act would grant the Minister of Immigration broad discretion to deny work permits to any foreign national who is ‘at risk of abuse’
Amendments to various pieces of legislation to allow victims of terrorism to sue certain foreign entities and governments for damages

"Overall, however, the direction these changes set out for the Canadian criminal justice system – jail more often, for longer, with more lasting consequences"

The above was taken from The Canadian Civil Liberties Association website.
paintitblacker
shit happens life goes on
06:32 PM on 04/21/2012
all joking aside ,this old antiquated building ,will not fit the model for the new super prison , where everything will be electronic , doors cameras scanners and g.p.s.monitering device on every inmate , most likely to be constructed on agricultural lands so that forced labour will be part of the system,political dissent and unionist types will be the new enemy of the state, vic toews said nothing in light of the recent graham james sentence of 2 years for a molester who has 5 victims we know of , if he really was sincere in his quest to imprison child molesters he should have been screaming bloody murder and asking for dangerous offender status so where does the minister stand , with good honest Canadians or with the pedophiles?
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Denis OBrien
09:57 AM on 04/22/2012
Well.....we know where he stand on babysitters.
paintitblacker
shit happens life goes on
12:24 PM on 04/22/2012
I don't think he "stands" on babysitters , but rather "lie's" on them.

He clearly lack's the moral's required to be " any type of minister " let alone "the public safety minister". In fact ,don't the public deserve to be protected from people of his stature?
paintitblacker
shit happens life goes on
06:04 PM on 04/21/2012
is there a cell still available for vic and stevo? after a few years i'll bet they have an opinion on gay marrige
05:00 PM on 04/21/2012
Madeleine Meilleur, Head of Ontario Corrections, recently announced the closing of the Sarnia Jail (Sarnia has a Cons MPP) and the prisoners will be forced to travel 2 1/2 to 3 hours each way to the new Windsor Jail (Windsor has two Liberal MPPs) and this woman is saying that "she doesn't think the decision has been properly thought through."??? It is quite clear that the decision to close Sarnia Jail was made without consulting a map. Does anyone in her department not know how to Google for a map and they you can clearly see the only quick route to Windsor is thru Michigan and I somehow think US Customs is not going to allow us to move prisoners back and forth across their borders.
We are lumbered with the most dangerous thing a democracy can have - self-serving parties making decisions to enrich their own members and friends without care or thought of the right or wrong of the situation. They are more than willing to punish those that have stood in their ways of enrichment by not voting for them. Are we any better than Syria, or any phony dictatorship really? Really?
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Spanky McFarlane
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04:39 PM on 04/21/2012
Either this wasn't planned or it was deliberately kept out of the Budget to keep the Public in the dark- take your pick.
Either way it shows very poor timing & an act of desperation on the part of the Harpe rt goverrnment to shore up it's failing jail policy.

How many ways can you say 'desperate'? The fact is they will sell this prison at a profit as it's on prime real estate & off load even more of a burden to the Provinces . Remember when Six Pot Plants start awarding Cdns with six months in jail as required in their new law, this cost will fall to the Provinces as the sentance is under two years.
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Tyler Austin
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04:26 PM on 04/21/2012
My first and only is 'why now'?
With crime at a 50 year low and set to rise, why not gut Kingston for the hard of the hard core and use the money saved for off site jails?
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shediac
04:18 PM on 04/21/2012
This is all silly Toews is no dummy he has a plan. Prisoners will be appointed to the Senate where they will fit right in, security guards will man the neo-con phone rooms.
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gravescanada
02:22 PM on 04/21/2012
I watched this happen in Missouri. First came the get tough on sentencing, with mandatory sentences. Then, when the prisons become over crowded, there will be a quick move to allow Private Corporations to build and then house criminals. This will create a new system, with all programs for rehabilitation being eliminated, food being brought to the bare minimum for prisoners, and a new Prison Industrial Complex. Then, prosecutors and judges will themselves buy stock in the companies running the prison, so you will see MORE people go to jail, and the private prisons will start doubling up the number of inmates per cell. This will in turn make them more money, while the conditions inside the prison will become such that we will be created hardened criminals, who are stronger and have better skills as they learn from the older inmates. This will create more crime as prisoners are released, and more criminals. It is a huge vicious cycle that once started, is nearly impossible to stop.