F-35 Canada: Opposition MPs Win Victory Over Upcoming Testimony From Auditor General

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Opposition parties had to arm-twist the Conservative government into allowing auditor general Michael Ferguson to be the first witness to comment on his own report at public hearings into the F-35. (Getty)

OTTAWA - Opposition parties had to arm-twist the Conservative government into allowing auditor general Michael Ferguson to be the first witness to comment on his own report at public hearings into the F-35.

The initial refusal of government MPs on the all-party committee to follow this long-standing practice prompted an unusual outburst from MP David Christopherson, the NDP chair, who virtually threatened to quit if the custom was ignored.

Conservative members proposed deputy ministers and officials from four departments be the first witnesses. The public hearings will examine the auditor general's findings that National Defence and Public Works withheld the true cost of the stealth fighter and short-circuited the government's procurement rules.

Christopherson said a failure to hear from Ferguson at the outset of the hearings would result in a manipulation of the process. He pointed out that the government pulled a similar move when the same committee was trying to examine the auditor general's report into G-8 spending.

"This trend is dangerous in terms of the critical importance of (parliamentary) oversight," he told the committee.

The Conservatives, who kept their witness list close to the vest throughout Tuesday's planning meeting, said they were in favour of having Ferguson testify and eventually bowed to NDP and Liberal pressure to make him first.

"We are determined as a government to have a full and complete study of the auditor general's report and that's what we're doing," said MP Andrew Saxton, the lead Conservative member on the committee.

Ferguson will testify Thursday.

The government has clearly heard enough from the auditor general, said Newfoundland Liberal MP Gerry Byrne, who noted Ferguson's last appearance before another parliamentary committee saw him accuse cabinet of knowing the stealth fighter figures were being fudged.

The bombshell report, released April 3, said National Defence officials low-balled the cost of the F-35 in public by at least $10 billion by failing to include continuing expenses such as pilot salaries and fuel. Ferguson estimates the actual life-time cost of the U.S.-built stealth jet is approximately $25 billion.

Both Opposition parties kept up the attack later Tuesday in the House of Commons, accusing Defence Minister Peter MacKay of presenting Parliament with misleading figures.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper lay blame on National Defence and defended MacKay by suggesting the minister was working with the numbers he was given.

"The auditor general questioned the reliability and the completeness of information the department had provided on these costs. That's why the government has committed explicitly re-examining those numbers, as suggested by the auditor general," the prime minister said.

During the committee meeting, both Byrne and Ontario New Democrat Malcolm Allen said cramming four deputy ministers from Public Works, Defence, Industry and Treasury Board into one two-hour time slot would not allow for adequate time to question the officials.

"There's no point having them here, so I can look at the deputy minister for Public Works and look at him and say, 'you're a handsome-looking chap,' and the chair says 'your time is up' and I no longer have an opportunity to speak to him because the meeting is over," Allen said.

"I want to speak to every single one of them. Under this time limitation, I will not be able to do that unless I'm asking them to state their name and their title."

Ontario Conservative MP Daryl Kramp accused both opposition parties of wasting the committee's time by grandstanding.

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sfurr
11:58 AM on 04/26/2012
Okay, here's proof of rank incompetence for you.

The Minister allegedly wanted to understand whether the DND was providing an accurate accounting of the costs of the program. DND likes to equivocate on the different accounting methods to obscure the cost overruns on the program, playing slight-of-hand with the procurement costs (I think) vs. the life-cycle costs.

If the Minister wanted to know, he could have asked what simple well-publicized underlying metric was assumed in the program costs estimates.

Did they assume the $75M unit recurring fly-away cost or a higher number? If so, what number, because the unit recurring fly-away cost is publicized to be $133M (slightly less in today's dollars)? These costs could have been compared with Pentagon projections as validation.

If the Minister was incapable of that question when he wanted to validate the information he was given, then he is manifestly incompetent to hold his position.

There are only three possibilities:
a) the government didn't want to know or report the true costs as it would show massive overruns
b) the Minister is incompetent and incapable of basic validation of the information presented him
c) both of the above

Raise your hand if you think its (c).
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William Muller
03:26 PM on 04/25/2012
BREAKING NEWS: It is now official. This Government has sunk to the lowest possible depths of any government since Confederation where the PM doesn't want the taxpayer to know where the biggest amount in history in taxpayer money is being spent. Then, of course, we have the election fraud which not only involves the robocall scandal but luring the electorate into thinking they were voting Conservative when in fact they were voting for the Reform Party. Pure deceit that should carry the harhest sentence
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03:11 PM on 04/25/2012
as long as no one that knows anything is allowed to testify. This one appears to big for Harper cover up.

"We are determined as a government to have a full and complete study of the auditor general's report and that's what we're doing," said MP Andrew Saxton, the lead Conservative member on the committee.
08:32 AM on 04/25/2012
Bureaucrats from 4 government departments having 2 hours to testify ?? astounding-
For what those high priced clowns know about anything a reasonable time would be 5 mins each, and even at that they would likely have to recount the first week in elementary school to fill in the time slotted
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gravescanada
07:17 AM on 04/25/2012
Someone is responsible for this. I can only hope that we will find out through our government. The reality is, if the parties responsible are not held accountable, groups like Anonymous will find out for us. We live in a digital age, everything is recorded. Their is a trail.
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Another Pesky Canadian
Talk - action = 0
04:32 AM on 04/25/2012
Re: "During the committee meeting, both Byrne and Ontario New Democrat Malcolm Allen said cramming four deputy ministers from Public Works, Defence, Industry and Treasury Board into one two-hour time slot would not allow for adequate time to question the officials."

We're talking about possible government corruption or incompetence at the very highest levels and billions upon billions of taxpayer dollars...WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND THINKS 2 HOURS IS ENOUGH?

Harper must go.
04:01 AM on 04/25/2012
Funds for this bogus pentagon inspired rip-off should have been cut off long ago.
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opprobrious
More speech. Less Flagging.
12:16 AM on 04/25/2012
Cons sure love their military procurements don't they? Never seem to get them right but, hey, with practice...
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Add In Canadia
Egotism is a weakness
11:07 PM on 04/24/2012
$25 billion is a bargain! ... when compared to the $1 trillion the USA is probably going to be spending.

I'm just glad that we'll probably get out of this stupid mess with only millions flushed down the toilet, as opposed to the whole $25 billion.
09:48 PM on 04/24/2012
The government wants to subvert the precess by having their Deputy Ministers come in, rattle off the talking points from the PMO and then duck out without questions. Typical of this hypocritical PM who ran on the accountability platform and then denies accountability in every instance of mismanagement and corruption.
06:57 PM on 04/24/2012
It would be nice to see an inquiry into this, its obvious according to the current government that they believe that members of the governments own National Defense and Procurement Offices misled the government. (this seems odd since they would have nothing to gain) I think that an inquiry wouldn't have a tough time finding out how this purchase came to be and who actually misled who (Follow the Money) Mckay must be starting to sweat, to bad that this will never happen. Honesty in Parlament nice in theory but never practised, it is amazing how the government with our tight funds can mange to screw up every Military purchase as long as the right people get greased they would supply the actual troops with banana's and kites to fight a war hence the record of the Helecopters, Subs, Fighters and a 100 other Gems.
05:27 PM on 04/24/2012
Taking note with Harper blaming it on National Defence. Spineless.
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05:11 PM on 04/24/2012
I really think we have a corrupt government ? This guy McKay must of taken a lot of Money from a US Defense Lobbyist for the contract of the F-35 . Reminds me of another crook from the same PC Party " Muroney "/ affair .. I think that was for some Helicopters .
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Jason Bullock
05:39 PM on 04/24/2012
Those damn heliocopters would literaly fall apart in the air.

Chretien had to take a $2 Billion hit to cancel that contract when he first became PM.
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Warren Yuill
Jesus Built My Hot-Rod
08:08 PM on 04/24/2012
The EH-101 was and is an excellant helicopter.
Chretien himself called it the "Caddilac model".
And spent three quarters of a billion dollars not getting a single one.
Not 2 billion.
And went out of his way to rig the procurement process to make sure the EH-101 wouldn't qualify under future consideration.