Ontario Deficit Drops, But S&P Downgrades Outlook

CBC  |  Posted: 04/25/2012 7:18 pm Updated: 04/30/2012 8:25 am

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Former Liberal MP Borys Wrzesnewskyj is in court this week, challenging the 2011 election results in the Toronto riding of Etobicoke Centre.


The race was close. Wrzesnewskyj lost to Conservative Ted Opitz by only 26 votes.


When voting irregularities came to light in the aftermath of the election result, Wrzesnewskyj decided to head to Ontario Superior Court asking for the result to be overturned. Elections Canada is opposing his arguments, as is Opitz, now the sitting MP.


Testimony continues Thursday with Opitz's lawyer Tom Barlow up next, arguing against overturning the result.


The CBC's Leslie MacKinnon is in court, reporting on the proceedings live via Twitter.


Mobile-friendly coverage available here.


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05:17 PM on 04/26/2012
HEY BIG SPENDER!!!!! DON'T SPEND A LITTLE TIME WITH ME?????: S & P.
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04:41 PM on 04/26/2012
Even that Ontario sign, looks all mangled....
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Warren Yuill
Jesus Built My Hot-Rod
05:42 AM on 04/26/2012
Like I keep saying "it's all about confidence".
S&P is losing confidence in Ontario.
So now your debt just got more expensive to service.
It's like a negative feedback loop.
Drummond was right.
Dinsdale Pirahna
"lookin' out the 'ole in the wall"
09:45 AM on 04/26/2012
Tell me how Ontario's deficit drops $300 million and then gets their rating 'downgraded'. S&P are political tools of the righties and have no credibility:

"...S&P... reaffirmed its AAA rating for Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc.’s financial products unit on Sept. 12, 2008, three days before the bank failed. It downgraded Bear Stearns Cos. to BBB on March 14, 2008, two days before JPMorgan agreed to buy the failing securities firm.

“There is no reason to take Friday’s downgrade of America seriously,” Nobel Laureate Paul Krugman said in a New York Times column. “These are the last people whose judgment we should trust.”

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-08-08/s-p-seen-surrendering-to-tea-party-costing-u-s-taxpayer.html
Dinsdale Pirahna
"lookin' out the 'ole in the wall"
11:35 PM on 04/25/2012
And we should believe Standard and Poors credit rating abilities WHY?

Dateline: January 25, 2012

"...MADIGAN SUES STANDARD & POOR'S FOR ENABLING FINANCIAL MELTDOWN

Lawsuit: 'Profits Were Running the Show' at Leading Credit Ratings Agency

Chicago — Attorney General Lisa Madigan today filed a lawsuit against Standard & Poor's for its fraudulent role in assigning its highest ratings to risky mortgage-backed investments in the years leading up to the housing market crash.

Madigan filed her lawsuit today in Cook County Circuit Court, alleging that Standard & Poor's, or S&P, compromised its independence as a ratings agency by doling out high ratings to unworthy, risky investments as a corporate strategy to increase its revenue and market share. The Attorney General's lawsuit alleges that S&P ignored the increasing risks posed by mortgage-backed securities, instead giving the investment pools ratings that were favorable to its investment bank client base and S&P's profits."

http://www.illinoisattorneygeneral.gov/pressroom/2012_01/20120125.html
11:32 PM on 04/25/2012
Ontario is drowning in a sea of socialist debt.

Might as well buy Greek govt bonds.
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gravescanada
05:33 AM on 04/26/2012
Do you know what a single person gets on welfare? ODSP? What other socialism would you like to see cut?
09:03 AM on 04/26/2012
I guess you don't get out much.
09:50 PM on 04/25/2012
McGuilty and the gang need to go it is clear that he does not know how to run a world class province
Dinsdale Pirahna
"lookin' out the 'ole in the wall"
12:41 AM on 04/26/2012
Hudack (and Flaherty) were part of the Tory government that did this in Ontario:

"...Fiscally Responsible Tories?

In 1995, when the NDP lost to the Mike Harris Tories and their "Common Sense Revolution", the deficit was falling steadily. Harris, an [Economic Conservative]... immediately reversed the downward trend in Ontario's deficit by implementing a series of tax cuts that overwhelmingly benefited corporations and the rich.

The Harris Conservatives laid off public sector workers, cut welfare payments by over 20%, reduced funding for education, health care, and the environment, and dumped cyclical expenditures onto cities with the notorious Omnibus bill.

Over the next eight years, a period of non-stop economic growth in Ontario, the Tories managed to balance the books ONLY by selling off a chunk of Ontario Hydro and then selling off Hwy 407 ETR.

Now, any economist will tell you that if you have to sell off capital assets to balance your budget, you're not running a sustainable operation.

By the time the Tories handed power to the McGuinty Liberals, Ontario's deficit stood at $5.5 billion, comparing rather poorly with the deficit eight years earlier, when the NDP were trying to bring Ontario out of the worst recession since the Great Depression.

(The size of the deficit was not revealed until after the Liberals had taken over the government. Prior to the election, the Tories had claimed the deficit was in the $1-2 billion range.)..."

http://raisethehammer.org/blog/401/
09:05 AM on 04/26/2012
After what Mike Harris did to this province. It will take a while to get back on track.
10:24 AM on 04/26/2012
You call the pathetic leadership by McGuinty getting back on track? You must be joking. Have a read and I quote with emphasis on the last sentence.

"Instead, Duncan stuck with his original plan to run deficits for another five years (until 2017-18). Another five years in which Ontario’s debt will increase to more than $315-billion from $238-billion today — this after the debt has already increased by over 70% since the McGuinty Liberals took office in 2003"

http://opinion.financialpost.com/2012/03/27/ontarios-budget-missed-opportunity/

http://opinion.financialpost.com/2012/04/24/the-debt-bubble/
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Sandra MacKay
09:31 PM on 04/25/2012
S&P..go screw yourselves..
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Felix99
Born to be mild!!!!
09:20 PM on 04/25/2012
S&Ps? It helped to cause the disaster in our economy!They should all be in the slammer, and should be limited to judging the quality of the food they're served.
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Mike Keohane
11:46 PM on 04/25/2012
At least S & P has made an effort to clean up it's act, which is more than you can say for McGuinty.
Dinsdale Pirahna
"lookin' out the 'ole in the wall"
09:58 AM on 04/26/2012
They have a lot of 'cleaning up' to do:

"The U.S. Justice Department is investigating the countries largest credit ratings agency. We're talking about Standard and Poor's here." (CNN)

"The New York Times says the Justice Department is looking into whether Standard and Poor's rated dozens mortgage securities improperly in the years leading up to the housing bust." (NY1)

"There's concern, that S&P managers overruled company analysts who wanted to hand out lower ratings on mortgage bonds." (Fox News)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU02EVBVsEY
09:07 AM on 04/26/2012
Yup, one and the same that rated all those sub-prime Mortgages as triple A securities and put the whole word into recession.
09:13 PM on 04/25/2012
dose any one thing that Harper or Flarity had anything to do with this??
Dinsdale Pirahna
"lookin' out the 'ole in the wall"
10:01 AM on 04/26/2012
Yes they both did. And Hudak was part of the Harris government.
10:32 AM on 04/26/2012
Of course its Harper's fault. LOL. Learn to hold the right people accountable and maybe you"ll get to the root of the problem.

Have a read sport.

"Instead, Duncan stuck with his original plan to run deficits for another five years (until 2017-18). Another five years in which Ontario’s debt will increase to more than $315-billion from $238-billion today — this after the debt has already increased by over 70% since the McGuinty Liberals took office in 2003"

http://opinion.financialpost.com/2012/03/27/ontarios-budget-missed-opportunity/

http://opinion.financialpost.com/2012/04/24/the-debt-bubble/
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Colin Speth
A Claymore for your thoughts
08:10 PM on 04/25/2012
Wow what a shocker. And the province is being run so well. I'm sure Mike Harris is to blame.
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08:45 PM on 04/25/2012
lets blame Ms.Horwath, she missed the chance......
Smart, smart McGuinty.
Dinsdale Pirahna
"lookin' out the 'ole in the wall"
12:49 AM on 04/26/2012
Actually you are right, he is. You are smarter than I thought Colin. Faved!
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Colin Speth
A Claymore for your thoughts
05:27 AM on 04/26/2012
Of course it is. It's not like you have anything else. Perfect example of people gettting the government they deserve.

Good luck with that. Hope you like soup.
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Norma Ward
07:28 PM on 04/25/2012
This probably should have happened years ago as shown here:

http://viableopposition.blogspot.ca/2012/03/ontarios-fiscal-history-it-is-not.html

With Ontario running deficits more than two-thirds of the time over the past 3 decades, fiscal balance will likely never be achieved and the province will continue to run structural deficits year after year.
07:56 PM on 04/25/2012
The Feds, who run deficits perpetually, downloaded these costs onto the provinces in the past 30 years. An entity that can run deficits perpetually downloading costs on entities that cannot. That's neoliberalism for you.
Dinsdale Pirahna
"lookin' out the 'ole in the wall"
12:53 AM on 04/26/2012
You got that right.