Moody's Downgrades Ontario Rating To Aa2

CP  |  By Posted: 04/26/2012 5:01 pm Updated: 04/27/2012 6:12 am

TORONTO - Ontario's minority Liberal government is downplaying a decision by Moody's Investors Service to downgrade the province's debt rating, citing the cash-strapped province's growing debt burden and risks in achieving its fiscal plan.

The government, which is facing a $15-billion deficit this year, tabled a budget last month outlining a plan to re-balance the books in 2017-18. It includes limiting spending increases to just one per cent a year for the next five years.

The New Democrats allowed the budget to pass its first major hurdle in the legislature Tuesday after brokering a deal with the Liberals that included hiking taxes for the rich.

But Moody's expressed concern Thursday about the government's ability to rein in spending and stay on track to achieve a balanced budget.

"The downgrade of Ontario's rating reflects the growing debt burden and the risks surrounding the province achieving its medium-term fiscal plan given the subdued growth outlook, extended timeframe back to balance and ambitious expenditure targets," Jennifer Wong, Moody's lead analyst for Ontario, said in a release.

The province's expense growth targets appear to be "particularly ambitious," given the average seven per cent annual growth in expenses over the last five years, Moody's said.

As a result, it's downgrading Ontario's issuer and debt rating to Aa2 with a stable outlook from Aa1 with a negative outlook, affecting $202 billion in debt securities.

The downgrade came after Moody's put Ontario on credit watch last fall.

Over the last week, two other credit agencies have weighed in on the province's debt rating. DBRS maintained its "stable" outlook Thursday, just a day after Standard and Poor's revised its outlook from "stable" to "negative."

The Progressive Conservatives, who voted against the budget, warned the Moody's downgrade would have major consequences for a province that's already mired in debt.

"It means that $202 billion in paper — which means Ontario debt — could be affected very shortly by higher interest rates, and therefore larger cost and a larger piece of the budget which has not been allocated for it," said Tory finance critic Peter Shurman.

"It's catastrophic."

But Finance Minister Dwight Duncan said the downgrade won't have a significant impact on the province's finances — either on its ability to borrow or pay interest on its debt.

"I'm advised by the Ontario Financing Authority they don't see this as having any significant impact at all on what we pay in interest," he said.

"Both the primary and secondary markets for our bonds are very healthy. We're still in the top echelons of credit ratings, so no, we're not worried about that."

The new Aa2 rating is higher than what other agencies have set, he said.

However, if Ontario's credit rating slips below double A in a year or two, it will become more difficult to borrow money, Duncan said. The province pays about $10 billion a year to service its debt.

What the reports show is how important it is for the province to stick to its deficit-reduction targets, he said.

All three credit rating agencies agree that Ontario has "difficult targets to meet," but the government will keep working to achieve them, Duncan said.

"We embrace their recommendations and we concur that we've set very difficult targets," he said.

"As you see, we've got three ratings from three different agencies in 24 hours, all of which are a bit different but all of which have some similarities."

One analyst noted that other credit rating agencies downgraded Ontario's rating in 2009 and one could argue that Moody's is simply catching up.

"Overall, we judge that the fallout on Ontario’s credit spreads from today’s downgrade should be relatively contained," Warren Lovely of CIBC World Markets, said in an email.

"Successfully executing the fiscal plan and reversing some accumulation in the debt would be needed to see upward pressure on the rating."

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10:22 PM on 04/26/2012
When are you people in Ontario going to realize that a decade of pathetic leadership have driven you into bankruptcy. BTW Quebec is no different. Seriously, the Premier and provicincial governent is accountable for the provincial budget, not Harper or any other federal governments. It's laughable reading all the Harper haters who blame the federal government for Ontario's and Quebec's budget provincial problems. Bunch of whiners!! The liberals in Ontario had 10 years to implement policies and turn things around and make a difference even in good prosperous times. It's laughable how they managed the economy.. McGuinty couldnt manage a one car parade!! Keep voting him in suckers and watch your future disappear.

And I quote from thre Financial Post re: Ontario buget

"Instead, Duncan stuck with his original plan to run deficits for another five years (until 2017-18). Another five years in which Ontario’s debt will increase to more than $315-billion from $238-billion today — this after the debt has already increased by over 70% since the McGuinty Liberals took office in 2003"

http://opinion.financialpost.com/2012/03/27/ontarios-budget-missed-opportunity/

http://opinion.financialpost.com/2012/04/24/the-debt-bubble/
07:26 AM on 04/27/2012
So internal devaluation is what they should do in Ontario? That's called a deliberately engineered depression and massive cuts in a tail-chasing attempt to balance the budget will accomplish this as they're discovering in Europe right now.
07:50 AM on 04/27/2012
Tax and spend sure didnt work did it?? Oh wait....that's what they're doing right now!!
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Ian Llangan
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10:12 PM on 04/26/2012
Interesting, as I've held Moody's, Standard & Poor's and others of their ilk at "junk" status for years.
10:06 PM on 04/26/2012
Mc Guinty and company have brought this mess to Ontario, and the best they can do is increase taxes to the few individuals that actually know how to handle their finances.

1. The Ontario Liberal deficit is three times the size of all other provinces combined and counting;
2. Spending increases are actually slated for 14 out of 24 ministries;
3. Spending on full-day kindergarten/early learning program (ELP) and wind energy
4. projects will continue as planned; and
5. There is no plan to put policies in place that would create private sector jobs, apart from creating yet another advisory body.
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Alex Goncharenko
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09:19 PM on 04/26/2012
This is because Ontario is used as Canada's cash cow. How much tax money do we dump towards federal tax? How much of that money comes back to the province? Yeah.
10:10 PM on 04/26/2012
Not even close Per capita GDP Ontario is third soon to fall behind BC and Manitoba for 6th in Canada. Taxes paid per capita, Alberta is by far ahead of Ontario. Alberta is by far Canada's cash cow.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canadian_provinces_and_territories_by_gross_domestic_product
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10:18 PM on 04/26/2012
I'm not saying we are the top money makers, I'm talking about the ratio of taxes we pay and the federal money that go back to province. As far as I know, Ontario gets the smallest share in federal budget, when you take population into account.
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MyTake
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08:57 PM on 04/26/2012
Ah, let's get that ex-Goldman Exec Carney man to weigh in on this issue.

All Carney has been saying for the past 6 months is that "consumer debt level" is too high and didn't say a thing about Ontario's government debt.

One would think Carney should have been throwing his weight into comments to alert the Ontario population on how their elected government has corrupted their finances.

OMG, I forgot that it was that CORRUPT Goldman Sachs International Bank that showed Greece how to cook their government books which directly led to their downgrade.

Someone check Carney's phone records to see if he has been consulting Blankfein (The God Worker) in NY on this Ontario problem. Maybe now Ontario can borrow money from Goldman now that they are in a higher interest bracket.
08:31 PM on 04/26/2012
Well, there went the tax increase on the rich, going to pay the higher cost of borrowing.

Put that in your entitlement stew.
07:29 AM on 04/27/2012
We certainly are entitled. It's called civilisation. You may not have heard of it, it may be each man for himself in your paradise and you're free to create one on a desert island somewhere.
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08:10 PM on 04/26/2012
Alberta has $41 billion in the bank. However, having lived here for 8 years now, I doubt they'd part with it easily. Perhaps if you traded them more seats in parliament they might leak out a billion or two.

/snark_off
08:34 PM on 04/26/2012
Ontario could easily have $100 billion in the bank if the socialists didn't spend taxpayers money like _dr.unken sailors.

Money they don't have.
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09:45 PM on 04/26/2012
Then I guess they need to elect someone else.
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Ian Llangan
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10:40 PM on 04/26/2012
LOL - yeah imagine - spending on all that useless commie stuff like public education and health care. The nerve of those pinkos eh?
07:35 PM on 04/26/2012
There is very little doub't that some of the moves by the liberal Government has put Ontario in a challeging situation how much people should listen to Moody's a bought and paid for Yes company for big business, but either way the Liberal Government needs to get its mind around a sound plan for Hydro, walk away from some of it's absolutely useless Green Energy intiatives and kall day kinder garden, some of their pet cows are nice to have but not necessary. It however will tell everyone it's only problem are their newly found useless, Lazy Civil servants. The fact is of course they are easy targets and the Liberals don't have to answer why our costs for hydro is now the highest in Canada when at one time it was the lowest, and that directly impacts a province that made it's name in manufacturing if they did nothing more than come forward with a solid Power plan for the province they would do more to address the deficit and the future of Ontario than any impact a wage freeze coupled with mass layoffs of the publice service would create.The sad part is they haven't had a plan and now in their third term with a minority Government it's highly unlikely they will make one now. The question has to be, what do we have to do to get people back into politics that have a brain or actually care about our province?
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07:15 PM on 04/26/2012
Here is a look at how badly Ontario's fiscal situation has been mismanaged over the past 25 years:

http://viableopposition.blogspot.ca/2012/03/ontarios-fiscal-history-it-is-not.html

Unfortunately, taxpayers are now paying for the mistakes made by successive Ontario governments.
07:34 AM on 04/27/2012
Unfortunately, the decisions by Feds were probably the worst. Free trade, the high unemployment zero inflation strategy under John Crow and Brian Mulroney, the trading of monetary destimulus for fiscal destimulus under Chretien, the downloading of costs from a non-constrained federal government to the constrained provincial government, all these served to put Ontario in a very difficult situation. Mike Harris though really made a mess of things particularly giving away valuable assets for fire sale prices.
07:13 PM on 04/26/2012
The timing of this downgrade - as it falls hot on the heels of a modest tax increase to the upper income earners - is no accident.

As several people have commented already here; political autonomy should not be held ransom by a company that has a vested interest in perpetuating the interests of the business class.
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07:44 PM on 04/26/2012
You -- and everyone else in the world -- are free to ignore Moody's. The only power they have is their reputation and integrity, and if people give no credence to that then they are powerless.
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07:48 PM on 04/26/2012
Also Moody's aint really trust worthy company
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07:52 PM on 04/26/2012
lol . . . true.
06:18 PM on 04/26/2012
I don't think people know that Moody's balance sheet has been in shareholders' deficit since 2007.Would Canadian politicians and people care about the rating given by a foreign company with more liability than asset? That is the question.
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Warren Yuill
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06:11 PM on 04/26/2012
I don't think people understand how dangerous this is.
How fine a line Ontario is walking.
Remember the Drummond report?
He wasn't just sending up trial ballons folks.
He gave a list of some 300 odd measures that NEEDED to be addressed in order for Ontario to avoid ending up like Greece.
What did the liberals do?
Diddly squat.
07:36 AM on 04/27/2012
Ontario will not end up like Greece. Canada controls its own currency. The Feds I believe guarantee provincial debt.
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05:58 PM on 04/26/2012
Why does Moody's, a private company, get to decide how credible are the expenses of a people's elected government, despite of political organization? Moodys and others of their ilk need to be put in their place. Their place is commenting on private industry, ONLY! If we want to know what Moodys thinks, we'll TELL them!
07:42 PM on 04/26/2012
check and balance. A peoples elected government left alone will lie about its situation. The private sector will do the same. This is why you need oversight going both ways.
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07:57 PM on 04/26/2012
Checks and balances? Who is checking the private balance sheets of private industry. Certainly not the people's government. This is a pretty one-sided system you champion. I don't think most people support your view.
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10:42 PM on 04/26/2012
Let's have that oversight from an independent public auditor then, not some private company with vested interests in undermining the delivery of government services.
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07:45 PM on 04/26/2012
Because they are free people with the right to advance an opinion. And you are free to ignore them.
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07:59 PM on 04/26/2012
This isn't an opinion. This is a deliberate attempt to interfere in the governance of a sovereign nation state by private interests for whom none of the citizenry had a voice in their selection. Peoples are sovereign, not private interests and their vehicles of "opinion".
05:14 PM on 04/26/2012
moodys -----one of the ratings agencies that stamped triple A on sacks of garbage from goldman

------playing front man for the guys who hold the cash ------the message is bizzare --------we think you are a risk so we are going to charge you more to borrow our money thereby insuring you remain a risk ------

or in othe terms we are more concerned with the return ON our capital than we are concerned about the return OF our capital ----ie 1% means more than 100%
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06:00 PM on 04/26/2012
I still feel sorry for the Greeks and what the yankee bond pirates did to them. If I was McGuinty I'd index the Rosedalers tax to Moodys, Fitch and SP.
07:55 PM on 04/26/2012
what did they do to them? please enlighten me.
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07:59 PM on 04/26/2012
I think they nuked your response on the other page. I saw it though, and I tried to reply with this:

"Don't blame me . . . I live in Harper's constituency and I will absolutely guarantee you I vote Liberal every time . . . irrespective of the fact no one else has a chance in Calgary Southwest."