F-35 Purchase Had 2 Sets Of Books, Page Says

CBC  |  Posted: 04/28/2012 2:13 pm Updated: 05/ 1/2012 11:25 am

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Kevin Page, Parliamentary budget officer, appears at Commons finance committee on Parliament Hill in Ottawa on Thursday, April 26, 2012. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Sean Kilpatrick


Canada's budget watchdog says it appears the Conservative government kept two sets of books when it came to the costs of replacing Canada's aging fleet of CF-18s with 65 F-35 stealth fighter jets.


In an interview airing on CBC Radio's The House on Saturday, parliamentary budget officer Kevin Page spoke out on the issue for the first time since Auditor General Michael Ferguson delivered a report earlier this month lambasting the government and Department of National Defence officials over estimated costs of replacing Canada's fighter jets.


Page told host Evan Solomon what bothered his office was that one set of books was available inside DND, while another "for communication purposes" was presented publicly, in which he said the government was "low-balling" the numbers.


"You do get the sense there were different books being kept," he told Solomon.


In his report, Ferguson found that the costs of acquiring 65 F-35s over 20 years was closer to $25-billion, and not the $15-billion the public had been told.


Ferguson's findings supported Page's estimates of $29-billion over 30 years tabled by the spending watchdog in March 2011, a figure for which Page was heavily criticised at the time.


When asked by Solomon whether he felt vindicated by the auditor general's findings, Page answered that his office "didn't do any victory laps."


"We are doing our jobs," said Page, who was appointed by Stephen Harper in 2008 to a four-year term, which ends next year.


In an interview also airing on The House Saturday, Conservative MP James Rajotte denied the government did anything wrong.


"From my own personal point of view, we have to separate the costs between acquisition, maintenance and operation," said Rajotte.


Life-cycle costs


Rajotte, a Conservative MP who also serves as Chair of the Commons finance committee, attributes the different estimates between DND, the auditor general and the PBO in part to the fact they were "using different time periods."


"Also, it is very challenging to estimate what the operational costs of an F-35 are going to be 30 or 40 years from now," added Rajotte.


Testifying before a Commons public accounts committee on Thursday, the auditor general said "significant" items were missing from the government's estimates of the F-35s, and that cabinet would have approved the $25-billion estimate in its budget in 2008.


"What we identified was there were some significant things missing from the life-cycle costs," Ferguson told MPs on the committee.


The auditor general pointed to attrition, upgrades and the fact that these aircraft "were going to last for 36 years, not 20 years."


F-35 pricetag to soar


Page, who is now busy preparing new estimates on the full costs of acquiring F-35s, also told Solomon the pricetag could go well beyond the $25-billion estimated once the life-cycle costs are factored in.


Until now, the government has estimated the cost of each F-35 plane at $75 million. But according to Page, the government need only look south for a more "reasonable" estimate.


According to Page, the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) has pegged the costs for all variants of the F-35 at $137-million.


And at that price, Page says the Canadian government will not be able to purchase 65 F-35s but more like 40 or 45 fighter jets.


"That's the difficult part," said Page.


"If we spend more on these planes, what does this mean for ships, what does this mean for the armed forces, and what does this mean for Defence Department sustainability going forward, which could be a huge issue?"


Page wrote to Rob Fonberg, the deputy minister of national defence, this week asking him to adopt the same pricing used by the GAO.


"We're already encouraging (DND) officials to look at the numbers coming out of the U.S.," said Page, adding his upcoming estimates would certainly "borrow on that."


"Prices are important. Costs are important."


Rajotte said the government has accepted the auditor general's findings, and that's why it is changing the process going forward.


The changes include establishing a new secretariat under the purview of Public Works and Government Services to oversee the process of replacing Canada's aging CF-18s.


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Trashcan Man
Luck does not reduce risk even when it seems to.
09:58 AM on 04/29/2012
The numbers are lost on the mainstream voter. This is a pure base emotional issue and the con reformers are going to win on this issue. The opposition needs to respond to the , Canada must maintain a show of strength to the world, line in kind. If the Liberals want to get traction, respond with an equally strong hand over heart response. Something along the lines of, glorious Canadian soldiers defending the homeland fighting for thee..Bring Canada to the world...We are great people... The NDP response in the end, will be to clam up and forced to swallow.
Hate to say it but auditor reports and not being able to do math along with lying politicians goes over the heads of the voter. Those useless plans will be coming to Canada and the reformers will be getting elected based on an emotionally charged issue not because they are wizards, which they plainly ain`t, at accounting,civil defence and sound foreign policy.
10:48 AM on 04/29/2012
Your argument is not supported by what happened to the PCs after Mulroney or the LPC after the Gomery Inquiry.
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Trashcan Man
Luck does not reduce risk even when it seems to.
11:24 AM on 04/29/2012
Canadians don`t like extremists yet they are in power. Harper will rejig the electoral map and win again. He originally managed to get elected by reducing the GST on a cup of Tim`s. The LPC managed to alienate their entire rural vote with the gun registry. I may be cynical but trying to get elected in a manor that requires a voter to think is a recipe for not getting elected.
There is nothing wrong for progressives to fight an election based on catering to base human psychology. Provided the resulting policies are equitable, adhere to the constitution and of benefit to the greater citizenry.
The cons have provided a lifetime of rope to hang themselves in a year. If the opposition loses in three years time, it will be they who have failed their country by not responding appropriately to their enemy.
05:56 AM on 04/30/2012
' The NDP response in the end, will be to clam up and forced to swallow...'

You have underestimated Tom. This is not what will happen under the NDP.
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Transitteer
and another thing . . .
02:33 AM on 04/29/2012
The F-35 will still be flying in 40 years???!! It's not flying now!
Wrong plane, wrong numbers of planes, good money going down the tube for a bad aircraft. The Navy needs 6 - 12 German submarines to patrol our 3 coasts and yet we're committing most of our money to these gameboy jets. I don't see much sense in any of this.
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Add In Canadia
Egotism is a weakness
12:03 AM on 04/29/2012
15 billion, 25 billion; it doesn't really matter, both sums are an obscene amount to be spending on fighter jets. Who are we fighting? Who's radar do we have to stealth through? Who the hell are we going to be bombing or shooting down with these over priced flying pieces of metal?

There's so many levels of disappointment to be had here, but the main one was how we were planning to throw away 15-25 billion dollars away when there's so many public projects that could use attention.
08:30 PM on 04/28/2012
Lest we forget. F35 purchase represents only half of the fleet of CF18 that MUST be replaced. So the 25billion estimate must be doubled. $50 billion for what. To defend Canada? They are not suitable. To become involved in more US inspired wars? Aha. Now we have it. Harper has attached us to the tail of the US. Be it gun control, corporate tax cuts environmental denial, and now the choice debate. Oh for the time when Canada was an independant nation
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Greg YanickThompson
09:38 PM on 04/28/2012
terry ,I to yearn for when Canada was an independent nation , when the USA was busy killing off 55 000 of its young men in Vietnam for absolutely nothing ,Canada had the balls to give asylum to draft dodger,s here in Canada.. Canada spent its tax dollors on its people and socioal programs, we had the 4th highest standard of living in the world .. Ahh the good old days , But one thing for sure we did not need back then or now!!! and that was cf18 fighter jets anymore than we need F35,s !! spend the money on our people ,not on the war business.. just a thought ..
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arkymorgan
Nobody knows the trouble I've been...
06:01 PM on 04/28/2012
I hope I can use this system for my taxes next year...
02:41 PM on 04/28/2012
Two people will now lose there jobs Auditor General Michael Ferguson and parliamentary budget officer Kevin Page . If history is a teacher Mr Harper does not like people who tell the truth if it makes him look bad . They need to disappear ASAP
05:25 PM on 04/28/2012
You got that right. They will be made to look anti Canadian or anti military who don`t support Harpers view of war therefore must be with the enemy.
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Spanky McFarlane
ILLEGITIMUS NON CARBORUNDUM.
04:33 AM on 04/29/2012
They already cut his staff & they cut Elections Canada's too.- go figure?