Cross-Border Shopping Change Irks Businesses

CBC  |  Posted: 05/ 1/2012 8:15 am Updated: 05/ 1/2012 12:39 pm


The federal government’s decision to allow Canadians to shop more in the United States without paying duty is going to hurt New Brunswick businesses, according to two business groups.


Finance Minister Jim Flaherty announced in his latest budget that Canadians could now bring back up to $800 worth of goods duty free, up from $400, when they travel to the United States for longer than 48 hours.


Canadians who travel to the United States for 24 to 48 hours will be able to return with $200 of tax-exempt goods up from $50. The changes are scheduled to come into effect on June 1.


Both the Greater Moncton Chamber of Commerce and Downtown Fredericton Inc. say they weren't consulted about the federal changes and they worry about the effects that decision will have on local companies.


Nancy Whipp, the chief executive officer of the Greater Moncton Chamber of Commerce, said the policy change will have a very simple effect. She said that allowing people to bring back more tax-exempt goods from the United States will mean fewer shoppers in Moncton.


“Prime Minister [Stephen] Harper is encouraging people to actually go shop in the United States, drop their dollars in the United States, not leave tax dollars or dollars here — not create jobs here,” she said.


Whipp said retail sales are worth more than $2 billion a year in Moncton. And when money is spent locally, she said that generates revenue to pay for roads, education and health services.


Bruce McCormack, the general manager of Downtown Fredericton, said he’s already fielded calls from business owners who are upset by the change and how it will hurt their finances.


“This is a pretty big deal and we will be talking to our MP. I just think it's a shame that nobody was consulted,” he said.


Both Whipp and McCormack say business groups are getting organized to make sure the federal government knows they're angry.


While the officials say they doubt the federal government will change the rule, Whipp said they want to explain their concerns with the decision to allow Canadians to bring more tax-free products across the border.


“It's kind of counterintuitive. It's just very difficult to understand and what's the logic behind it,” she said.


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02:16 PM on 05/02/2012
"Canadian consumers are being gouged and they know it." I couldn't have said it better myself. Not only do many Canadian retailers rip off their customers, but they feel entitled to do so because they have the market trapped! Disgusting. However they do rely on well-meaning but incredibly naive Canadians who feel some misplaced patriotic duty to support them. Corporations love blind loyalty. The only company I know that charges fair prices to Canadians is Costco, and it's an American company but with savvy customers who won't be screwed. If you mistakenly believe things "just cost more here", try looking at the prices of vehicles built in Canada, but sold for thousands less in the US after being imported to that country.
12:32 PM on 05/02/2012
Well, maybe they should get price competitive. When I can find the same product for over 20-50 percent cheaper there is an issue. Also, don't just blame it on people crossing the boarder. The internet has a lot to do with it also. Again, I can buy the same product cheaper plus have it delivered; come on!
10:40 PM on 05/01/2012
What makes me 'laugh' is how gullible some/many people are. You think this is doing you any favours? The CRAP (Conservative Reform Alliance Party) currently running Canada, would love more CDNs to shop in the US. The provinces have been told that transfer payments have been tied to the GDP of the province. As more and more people shop in the US, the provincial GDP is going to crash. So $$ transfers is going to crash too. Provinces will be forced to: cut services, raise user fees and/or raise taxes. Maybe all of the above. So medical services, education, social services, .. all on the CONs get rid of list.. will be in jeopardy.. all according to plan. The CON's are going to change Canada as we know it. Not by big sweeping changes, but in incremental changes.. drip, drip drip until the reservoir is dry... and none of us will notice, until it is too late.

We have all become addicts to paying lower taxes on everything. An addiction that will lead to a lowering of our standard of living and an ever increasing gap between the rich and the rest of us poor suckers just trying to get by
10:08 PM on 05/01/2012
It's too bad the retailers suffer, but why is stuff so much more expensive in Canada than the US? Especially when the exchange rate is so close. It baffles me.
08:52 PM on 05/01/2012
One thing that I find is a big difference between US and CDN retailing attitudes is selling in volume. US retailers understand selling in volume. They price things with a lower profit margin but make up for it in volume selling. Cdn retailers like to make a large profit margin on each item and don't seem to understand the art of selling in volume.
08:11 PM on 05/01/2012
I work hard for the money I get paid. I pay my taxes, pay my bills and shop on a budget. If we need something else, we look for a bargain and if that means crossing a border then so be it.
Clothing and shoes are way cheaper and not just by pennies, but tens of dollars.
So retailers if you want my wife and I to shop in Canada drop your prices.
08:05 PM on 05/01/2012
If it's worth it for consumers to cross the border into the US to buy goods then it should be worth it be import goods from the US and charge a little extra for the importation, NOT +20% or more extra. Sorry but I don't believe the excuse about supplying to a small population that retailers would have Canadians believe. Canadian consumers are being gouged and they know it.
07:45 PM on 05/01/2012
You want pink slime? How about phony pizza cheese? You want to lower your minimum wage a few bucks an hour? How about not being able to get the same quality of food, including milk, cheese and butter? Sure, I used to buy booze really cheap in the grocery store when I lived in the Southern States and I'd love to see that system in our stores here, but then again, I couldn't drink the water there and a case of water was twice the cost of a bottle of booze in the same store. All is not cheaper. Pick and choose. Yes, I think clothing and household goods are overpriced here but I have no problem paying more for a burger without the pink slime added just to say it cost a buck. Perhaps we could keep more Canadian oil here, refine it, lose some of the tax, get retailers to offer greater incentives and sales and perhaps we could keep educating our kids while reminding ourselves that mall walking and endless buying doesn't have much of anything to do with being happy.
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07:49 PM on 05/01/2012
Well said exactly what I WAS thinking & ya saved me the typing! F&F
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07:34 PM on 05/01/2012
''I just think it's a shame that nobody was consulted''...that's the funniest thing I've read all day.....as if this government would actually consult anything with the locals...
05:31 PM on 05/01/2012
We pay more because we get more. It's selfish to cross boarder shop. Shop locally and grow your community. It's worth it in the long run.
07:51 PM on 05/01/2012
We pay more because we are being gouged. It has nothing to do with what we get. Taxes pay for what we get not retail prices. Depending on the state sales taxes aren't much different than they are here. Then there are corporate taxes which are double what corporations pay here. Same with property taxes where in many places in the US are higher than ours. If companies pay for benefits and most do they pay 15k per employee per year something employers here don't have to pay.

The whole argument that retailers here pay more to provide service just isn't true.
05:23 PM on 05/01/2012
If Canadian retailers want to fix the problem then they have to start playing hardball with their international distributors. Canada is largely viewed as a margin market, not as a volume market by U.S. and International manufacturers and distributors. Our retailers need to tell their suppliers that either they sell to Canada at the same or very close to the U.S. wholesale rate or we will no longer carry their products. One of the issues is that our retailers have not stood up for themselves or their customers. Get off your butts and demand a better deal. In the meantime, I'll keep buying direct from the U.S.
07:35 PM on 05/01/2012
I couldn't agree more! We just moved back to Canada from the US. It absolutely RIDICULOUS what the retailers want!!! I will be making trips back to shop! Canadian dollar is up, the US economy is crap, it just makes no sense!
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jeremyemilio
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04:35 PM on 05/01/2012
Oooooor... you could COMPETE.
05:32 PM on 05/01/2012
different sets of rules. not a level playing field.
04:29 PM on 05/01/2012
There's a US political saying "you dance with him that brung ya", and Harper, as the creature of various US interests, exemplifies that concept.
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04:01 PM on 05/01/2012
WIth the loonie at par with greenback, there is no need for much, much high prices in Canada. As long as the products are way overpriced at home, I'll shop outside of our borders as much as I can.
05:33 PM on 05/01/2012
that is so narrowminded thinking I don't know what to say.
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06:37 PM on 05/01/2012
Dude, she's actually right on target. She said "overpriced". Prices in Canada are unreasonable. Has nothing to do with set of rules or health care. Business environment is lousy. Policy makers suck. They want your business in states so they can make some money.
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06:51 PM on 05/01/2012
Oh I don't mind paying a little more for goods bought in Canada, I realize retailers have higher costs, but when they are gouging because they can, online shopping here I come.
03:55 PM on 05/01/2012
You want US prices? No problem.

- Scrap the Canadian health care system and put in place the third world for-profit health care the US enjoys.
- Reduce taxes on alcohol and gasoline to next to nothing.
- Let corporation earning billions of dollars pay zero federal tax and don't forget to cut taxes on the rich while you are at it (don't worry the government can make up the difference by borrowing the money from the Chinese).
- Drop minimum wages to starvation levels.
- Make sure half the population falls below the low income line, or better yet the poverty line.
- Cut teacher salaries and gut the educational system (this is a bonus, that way the population
is too ignorant to know how bad their standard of living is compared to the rest of the western world).

Yes, you too can have the US utopia of low price consumer goods, its all about what you are willing to give up to get it.
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04:03 PM on 05/01/2012
So true. Thank you.
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04:27 PM on 05/01/2012
I don't understand how you've come to such an apocolyptic conclusion?
Why should Canadian consumers and retailers be held hostage by greedy and lazy distributors and middlemen?
I agree with you that there's a drain on sales taxes, but everyone who cross border shops would glady pay hst on their purchases.
05:46 PM on 05/01/2012
The problem is that the argument is usually cast as "Why don't we pay the same prices as the Americans?". Its completely unrealistic to expect the same prices in Canada as in the US, the social structure and demographics are not the same.

Now should prices be 20% higher in Canada? Personally that seems too much to me and that would be an interesting issue to address, but I've never once seen an article that admitted that prices *should* be higher in Canada and then did a realistic analysis of what cost differential is reasonable. The articles almost always seem to start with the (implied) false premise that Canada and the US are equivalent markets.