Richard Wilkinson In Canada: Income Inequality Guru's Ideas Gaining Traction In Halls Of Power

Posted: 05/05/2012 11:51 am Updated: 05/05/2012 12:27 pm

Raising taxes on the rich is often touted as an effective way to narrow Canada’s growing income gap. But according to one of the world’s most preeminent researchers on the subject, a more fundamental shift will require addressing the root of the problem: huge and growing differences in what people are actually being paid.

Though a more redistributive taxation policy would help bridge the rich-poor divide, British income gap guru Richard Wilkinson says it’s not the most significant way to improve social relations -- the key factor in understanding why inequality makes us more unhealthy, violent and unhappy.

10 AMAZING FACTS ABOUT INCOME INEQUALITY FROM RICHARD WILKINSON

Wilkinson says reversing the slide towards greater inequality demands a “new model” to level the playing field between CEOs and employees.

“There’s no doubt that the big reason for the income differences [is] not so much the poor getting left further behind, it’s the rich running away from the rest of us with the bonus culture,” he told The Huffington Post Canada in an editorial board meeting this week.

“That reflects a lack of democracy; people at the top feeling that they can do what they like, that they’re not accountable. We must answer that by making them accountable.”

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When it comes to determining how to to inject this accountability, Wilkinson recommends looking outside current models, maintaining that “there are no good examples of where the future lies.”

However, he contends that stacking corporate remuneration boards with employees, and supporting the creation of cooperatives and employee-owned companies, is a good place to start.

“An employee buyout turns a company from a piece of property into a community,” he said. “It’s better for us in all sorts of ways -- not only because those kind of companies have smaller income differences, but it changes the quality of working relationships.”

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Since his book the Spirit Level came out in 2009, many policymakers have started paying attention to the social epidemiology professor’s ideas. This week, amid a cross-Canada speaking tour, Wilkinson met with officials in the government of Ontario.

As one such official told HuffPost, the meeting was an attempt to understand Wilkinson’s research on poverty and income inequality.

“It is a different way of looking at the issue. He’s got very interesting conclusions, so it behooves us as policymakers to listen and to figure out how it actually feeds into the work we do,” the official said.

A professor emeritus of social epidemiology at the University of Nottingham Medical School and co-founder of the U.K.-based think tank The Equality Trust, Wilkinson has spent nearly 40 years making connections between greater income inequality and everything from obesity and teenage births to homicides and drug abuse.

He believes that these phenomena are primarily due to the stress that high levels of inequality imposes on people, magnifying feelings of inadequacy, failure and insecurity all along the income distribution.

“What the [income inequalities] are doing is amplifying all the ways in which status and class affect us all from earliest life onwards,” he told HuffPost. “Problems related to social status get worse when you increase the social status differences.”

According to Wilkinson, it’s a message that is increasingly gaining traction. Since The Spirit Level was published, he says he has given more than 700 talks to a wide range of audiences in countries around the world.

“I find it very surprising that we haven’t all grown up with this stuff as obvious. But as soon as you start describing the picture and the evidence, I think people start to feel, ‘Oh yes,’” he said. “It fits our intuitions.”

His visit to Canada has so far included several high-profile speaking engagements in Calgary and Toronto, where he was a featured speaker at the North American Basic Income Congress.

All of which suggests that discussion about income inequality is becoming more mainstream in Canada, where the gap has grown significantly in recent decades. Though Canada remains far more equal than the U.S., the rich-poor divide is deepening at quicker pace.

When it comes to closing the gap, Wilkinson said the major barrier in developed countries is “a misguided self-interest among the very rich.”

“A lot of those sorts of people probably won’t read the evidence,” he said. “We’ve had criticisms from [people on] the far right who behave as if we’ve just invented the data.”

But if the political will is there, Wilkinson insists that his research is “grounds for enormous optimism.”

“It really suggests you can improve the psychosocial well-being of the whole society by reducing the income difference,” he said. “It will be a struggle to get there but we can see the way.”

10 AMAZING FACTS ABOUT INCOME INEQUALITY FROM RICHARD WILKINSON

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  • 10 Amazing Facts About Inequality From Richard Wilkinson

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  • Health and Social Problems Are Worse In More Unequal Countries

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  • Less Trust In Unequal Countries

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  • Child Well-Being Better In Equal Countries

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  • More Inequality, More Murder

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  • More Inequality, More Jailbirds

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  • More Inequality, More Teenage Moms

  • The American Dream Is Toughest In America

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  • Everyone Benefits From Greater Equality

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  • Inequality In Canada Growing Since Early 90s

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  • Top 1% Has Greatest Share Of Income Since 30s

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Raising taxes on the rich is often touted as an effective way to narrow Canada’s growing income gap. But according to one of the world’s most preeminent researchers on the subject, a more fundamen...
Raising taxes on the rich is often touted as an effective way to narrow Canada’s growing income gap. But according to one of the world’s most preeminent researchers on the subject, a more fundamen...
 
 
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Peterbot
07:16 PM on 09/27/2012
Important work - odd to think that HPC even has an editorial board.
Coming from UK, with a thriving media culture to the sorry state in Canada must have shocked poor Richard. Still, well done!
01:10 AM on 05/15/2012
Reading the comments here has led me to believe that the education system is one long daycare. It is a reminder of the abandonment of rationalism that occurred and it is deeply depressing.
07:39 PM on 05/14/2012
Richard should claim his facts came from a golden book that an angel left him and that he conveniently lost. People seem to have an easier time believing ideas that come from God. Science and statistics have no place in this government's scheme. The right wing "Dark Ages" are upon us.
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cwebster
predominantly exasperated
02:16 PM on 05/14/2012
CEO's have an unwarranted sense of entitlement. CEO compensation needs to be limited, and soon. No CEO, or member of the upper management should earn more than 40X the average salary of their employees (and even that is far too high). No one is worth these sky-high salaries. No One.
Looking at history, I think that if this is not curbed now, we are looking at revolution down the road...and that is never pretty.
11:18 PM on 05/14/2012
there should be a rule that a CEO must not make more than 10 time the lowest paid full time employee in the company. so it you hire someone for 30k a year, CEO cannot be paid more than 300k. that will make CEO's think twice before looting people on the bottom of the totem pole for their own gain. most CEO's don't deserve the pay they make.
01:06 AM on 05/15/2012
Why 10? why not 11 or 9? 2 or 6? Why do you think it is appropriate to constrain people to your arbitrary thoughts? I know you wouldn't find it appropriate if the same was done to you. So do workers have to make 10 times less then too? I can't wait for you to grow up.
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cwebster
predominantly exasperated
03:09 AM on 05/15/2012
Definitely. No one is worth the bloated salaries they receive. it is truly obscene.
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Larry Mutter
02:15 PM on 05/14/2012
As long as neo-Liberal capitalism exists there will be vast income disparity.The question is will we keep patching and band-aiding or will we seriously consider changing the system? The answer is of course no,those in control will never see reason and the class struggle will continue to an undefined conclusion.History is full of surprises.
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cwebster
predominantly exasperated
02:00 PM on 05/14/2012
I agree with him. Pay inequality is the biggest problem. So many business over-reward salespeople, forgetting that those who service the clients are equally important. It does no good to bring in new business if it simply walks out the door a month later because the service was lacking.
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03:31 PM on 05/14/2012
That is communism, you are talking about, med. doctor, nurse, workman, labour, engineer, baker, teacher, etc..
they all get similar pay? Is this, that appeals to you?
In the case you present, who brings the contract? Sale people.
PROBLEM is, we all want MORE and more....so do I. ha, ha,..
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cwebster
predominantly exasperated
04:40 PM on 05/14/2012
Do not be deliberately obtuse. Where did I say any such thing?
Different jobs pay differently, according to difficulty and education.
However, if we are discussing sales...sales people are not vastly more valuable. Without service, you do not retain the clients. Sales people are vastly overpaid, and CEOs are usually from their ranks.
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TwoZeroOZ
06:30 PM on 05/14/2012
When someone says "pay inequality", they are referring to the growing income gap, not the fact that different professions make different amounts of money...

Although, I do have to disagree with him on his idea that salesmen make "too much" money. I think the market does a good job at setting entry-level pay.
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01:47 PM on 05/14/2012
Canada has a guru?
Does he look at crystal ball?
OR just statistics?
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Runey
religion is why we can't have nice things.
01:16 PM on 05/14/2012
Why can't we have both? This sounds like 'sure we'll call the rich people greedy and selfish' but this calls for no accountability. Calling for companies to be 'employee driven' really does nothing as it stands right now. No CEO or 'panel' or 'board of directors' is going to go for this model, you're once again shifting all the responsibility to the peasants to make this drastic change.
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contest d
11:27 AM on 05/07/2012
There also needs to be global tax (avoidance) regulation, so multi-nationals can't just 'move' their incomes to the most fiscally convenient tax jurisdiction.

For instances, Chile (if memory serves) is suing the 4 largest global grain traders for almost $1billion in avoided taxes in 2010, because those multi-nationals claimed the money was 'made' outside their border. Of course we'll have to see which side is being the greedy one, but the evidence of this being a default corporate behaviour is mounting quickly.
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TwoZeroOZ
06:34 PM on 05/14/2012
Agreed.

What we're seeing now is basically an unstoppable price-war between nations in terms of tax rates. Unfortunately, the inevitable result is that the "global market rate for taxes" has an extremely low equilibrium value that's entirely unsustainable.
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Cynthia Dudley
08:39 AM on 05/07/2012
Yes, it is about incomes. It is about the people on the front lines of business being told that they aren't worth the money that they are being paid. Being told over and over again that they are disposable, that no matter how productive they are they aren't worth their contracted wages and benefits. Well, that is hardly going to create any faith in the consumers in the good faith of those businesses- because frontline workers ARE the consumers and when business has no faith in them, then they have no faith in business.
06:08 AM on 05/07/2012
Am I the only one that feels elated when the stock market goes down?
Knowing that the rich and their precious portfolio are at risk and that they have to face being human just sends me to that upper chamber of happiness, though fleeting it may be, makes we want to do a happy dance. Go ahead rich people, do the stock market jive, a dance that I do not know and never will but makes me happy non the less.
05:14 PM on 05/08/2012
Check out your retirement fund while your at it.
compro01
Conservatism : Policy-based evidence making
01:04 PM on 05/14/2012
The rich already moved their money elsewhere the millisecond a stock started dropping.

Your mutual funds for retirement on the other hand...
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Life is hard; it's harder if you're stupid. John W
01:17 PM on 05/06/2012
I was looking the US on the 2nd chart and thought they missed it, then saw it way, way, way up in the corner - extreme - horrible.
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Hen Diapheron Heautoi
12:31 PM on 05/06/2012
Great ideas...not going to happen.
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07:15 AM on 05/06/2012
Selling of this GREAT painting has, in no way anything to do with these comments.
Some people, never knew it existed....only $$$ are the catch...
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06:32 AM on 05/06/2012
It won't get better until all the Free Trade deals are scraped and replaced with Fair Trade deals. You want in this market change your labours laws to match ours.
01:08 AM on 05/15/2012
You're insane. If a gun is not put to anyone's head all free trade is fair trade. Who is distorting these concepts? When did people start to lack the ability to think?
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04:33 PM on 05/15/2012
Not when the other guys are working for a few bucks for a 12 hours workday while sleeping on site! Current Free Trade deal are a recipe for killing our own economy by creating huge trade deficit. A Fair Trade deal demand that both side work under the same condition they get pay the same pay for the same work and other legislation are mirrored like environmental protection. That way both country are competing on a relative equal footing.