Quebec Student Protest: Police Reacting Too Violently To Protests, Critics Say

CP  |  By Posted: Updated: 05/09/2012 5:28 pm

MONTREAL - Some people are lashing out at Quebec police in the wake of violent confrontations in which several protesters were injured, including one young man who lost an eye.

There are allegations police overreacted last week to small groups of stone-tossing protesters by declaring a demonstration illegal, firing rubber bullets at people's heads, and using chemical irritants and mass detentions.

Related accusations had been levelled by some of the participants involved in Montreal protests over recent weeks but they spiked after a particularly violent skirmish with provincial police in small-town Victoriaville last Friday.

Images that emerged from the event showed a small mob beating up on a police officer with punches, kicks and stick-swinging. But many protesters, along with their supporters, are saying the violence cut both ways.

Online, nearly 12,000 people have signed a petition against the police reaction to the series of anti-tuition fee increase protests. One political party also called for an independent investigation into serious injuries incurred last Friday.

The left-wing Quebec solidaire, which has one seat in the legislature, said it doesn't trust the Quebec City police force to help out with that investigation. It wants the upcoming probe to be conducted without police.

"This violence was unacceptable," Amir Khadir, the party's lone MNA, said on Monday.

"It's infuriating to see police forces react with such violence to neutralize a small group of troublemakers."

Last week in Victoriaville, where Quebec Liberals were holding a convention, several police as well as demonstrators were hurt in clashes that lasted several hours. The police officers have since returned to duty although at least two of the students remain in hospital.

There are reports from students in alternative media that some of the 110 demonstrators arrested last Friday were held for up to 10 hours on school buses that transported them from the demonstration, after the vehicles were stopped by police.

A video posted by another student reporter on YouTube showed scenes of the riot, concluding with provincial police detaining students on a bus. In one segment, a helmeted riot-squad officer stands in the aisle of the bus and orders the videographer to turn off his camera.

Sgt. Daniel Thibodeau, a spokesman with the Quebec provincial police in Montreal, said he could not comment on the specifics of the arrests in Victoriaville or how long it took to process the demonstrators.

"I don't have particulars on how they were released or transported," he said. "I do know that there were 101 (arrested) aboard three buses." He said processing lasts as long as it has to when someone is arrested.

He also said it would be "imprudent" to comment on allegations that police fired rubber bullets directly at protesters' heads, without seeing actual footage or the incident report.

Thibodeau said police do not target people's heads when firing rubber bullets.

"A lot of projectiles were thrown that day and people were hit with various items coming from the protesters themselves and not necessarily from officers," he said. "The head is something that's not aimed at intentionally by our officers — of course for the obvious reason that it can have some serious health consequences."

The teacher of the young man who lost his eye described him as an exemplary student and human being. In a letter to Le Devoir newspaper, she said she wished Quebec's politicians behaved with as much decency as him. Her letter was headlined, "This is the student they fired on."

However, the newspaper added in a note to readers that there's no proof, at the moment, that the man's injury was sustained by one of the rubber bullets fired Friday.

The Canadian Security Intelligence Service also refused to comment Monday on a newspaper report that its agents were tracking members of some groups — including elements like the Black Bloc, one hardline pro-Quebec independence group, and anarchists — taking part in the student protests.

"We do not comment on operational questions, speculative or otherwise," said Tahera Mufti, an agency spokeswoman in an email.

However, analyst David Harris said in a telephone interview that he would be surprised if the intelligence service did not keep an eye on the protests given recent developments in Quebec, and its mandate to keep track of potential threats to national security.

"I'd be wondering what people were doing with my tax money (if they weren't monitoring)," said Harris, who was once the agency's chief of strategic planning.

"When you have features including violence, indications of certain kinds of well-organized aspects that might be associated with violence, you must, it seems to me as a government in general, engage in some serious reflection and analysis about that. If you come up with a negative, you've resolved some issues that allow you to better focus resources."

Harris, who is now director of the international intelligence program with Ottawa-based Insignis Strategic Research Inc., stressed he did not have any inside information on CSIS activities in relation to Quebec's protests.

"I'd suggest that the record of the Black Bloc is notorious enough to invite CSIS's scrutiny," he said of the radical organization that has been linked to several incidents, including the G20 protests in Toronto in 2010.

Meanwhile, the mayor of Montreal announced plans Monday for cracking down on Black Bloc-type protests that have sprouted in the city.

Under the proposals, protest organizers would be forced to submit their intended route to police. At other events, whenever potential trouble is foreseen, masks will be banned.

"For example, when a masked person has a billiard ball or a brick, a rock, a metal bar, and not to mention Molotov cocktails, there's a responsibility to be proactive," said Mayor Gerald Tremblay.

"Only protesters who threaten peace and public order will be targeted by the new regulations. We're not talking here about the Santa Claus parade, for example, or Carifiesta, or the Just For Laughs festival. This strikes a balance beyween free expression and public safety."

The regulations set out fines ranging from $500 to $3,000. They must go to a vote at city council on May 14.

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  • When Police And Students Clash

    Students protesting against tuition hikes battle with Quebec Provincial Police at the Lionel Groulx college Tuesday, May 15, 2012 in Ste. Therese, Quebec.THE CANADIAN PRESS/Ryan Remiorz

  • When Police And Students Clash

    Police unmask a student after arresting him during a protest against tuition hikes, Tuesday, May 15, 2012 in downtown Montreal.THE CANADIAN PRESS/Ryan Remiorz

  • A riot police officer takes down a student during a protest against tuition hikes at the Tuesday, May 15, 2012 in downtown Montreal.THE CANADIAN PRESS/Graham Hughes

  • When Police And Students Clash

    Two riot police officers tackle a demonstrator Friday, May 4, 2012 in Victoriaville, Quebec. Provincial police say a riot in small-town Quebec last week was the most violent protest they've seen in more than a decade and insist their response was a measured one. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Jacques Boissinot

  • When Police And Students Clash

    Police hold back students who want to attend class from entering CEGEP Lionel Groulx in Ste. Therese, Que., Monday, May 14, 2012, as striking students block the entrance. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Graham Hughes

  • When Police And Students Clash

    Demonstrators break though a barrier as Provincial police officers stand by outside the Quebec Liberal Party meeting on Friday, May 4, 2012 Victoriaville, Quebec. A violent standoff erupted on the streets of a small city where Quebec's governing party was holding its weekend convention, as protesters and provincial police rained physical abuse on each other Friday.THE CANADIAN PRESS/Jacques Boissinot

  • Provincial police officers confront protesters during a student demonstration outside the Quebec Liberal Party meeting Friday, May 4, 2012 Victoriaville, Quebec. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Jacques Boissinot

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    Riot police move in on protesters during an anti-capitalist rally in Montreal, Tuesday, May 1, 2012. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Graham Hughes

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spinnerator
12:30 PM on 05/08/2012
All you anti-Police idiots forget things. Like:

the police act to safeguard NORMAL people these tools are not.

The Police act to safeguard business in the area, you know productive, value added entities that contribute to society and the economy.

The police act at the behest of the Gov't of the day, they didn't call each other up and say lets gather at the protests and club people.

And most important NONE of the these cops want to be somewhere where they might get hurt, where tools like you are going to criticize their every act after the fact, where not matter what they do someone is going to find fault with it.

I say send all the cops home, give them month's paid vacation and lets see just how bad things get without them there to save your asses.
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Dale Chan
Hope is both panacea and poison.
02:04 PM on 05/08/2012
These students are not "tools" simply because you do not agree with them. Few of the protesters are violent, the majority are protesting as the Charter grants them the ability to do so.

If the police are acting over zealously, with excessive force, then that is completely unacceptable. It doesn't matter that those officers may not want to be there. It is their job to be, they know the risks that their chosen career paths entail, and they should know the responsibilities that come with their positions.
05:21 PM on 05/08/2012
Are throwing stones at people protected by the Charter? If these people were protesting peacefully, then okay, they might not be tools, but as it stands, they are, and very useless tools at that.

The police are doing their jobs,and if people would respect that, they would not have to worry about being hurt. The students also knew the risks when they decided to protest violently, and so they should know the risks, and accept whatever happens to them
02:27 PM on 05/08/2012
and who decides what 'normal' is?
you? the gov't?

how about the abuse these students are suffering at the hands of gov't raising their tuition?

vive les étudiants libre !
05:24 PM on 05/08/2012
They still pay less tuition then most provinces, even with the increased tuition. Awww, poor students, they actually might have to work to go to school. Its strange how students in other provinces aren't rioting, but I guess people in Quebec are unique and deserve special privilleges.
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Anne Mccormick
11:07 AM on 05/08/2012
i have a suggestion. the authorities in Quebec should just close down the universities up there. as soon as that happens, the institutions handling student loans should then out notices of immediate repayment. time for these students to face the financial realties of being an adult.
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Chelsie Sutherland
01:06 PM on 05/08/2012
That is so ridiculously illegal, would punish thousands of students that were not included in the demonstrations, and tie up the country in thousands of extremely expensive lawsuits, that it will never happen. And thank goodness.

There is nothing wrong with protesting rising costs of what is now deemed a necessity to a living wage. The violence some protestors started was wrong, yes, but the proper response is finding those violent individuals and not punishing the many others who protested peacefully.
02:28 PM on 05/08/2012
how about politicians facing being adults and not chip away at poor students trying to get an education to get better jobs to pay more taxes?

screw the gov't
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Angus12
07:14 AM on 05/08/2012
If you start throwing rocks and bottles don't complain when you get your skull cracked with a billy club.
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ethrop
micro-bio-tic
01:31 AM on 05/08/2012
Actually, just on how they have handled hundreds of demonstration over the last three months, the various police forces in Quebec will write the book on how to keep violence from spreading and at the same time allow secure and open ways to demonstrate in any non-violent way they choose. All the violent incidents in the last three months were sourced by anarchist groups that are well known by police and who piggy back on the demonstrations.
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10:43 AM on 05/08/2012
Crisis, what crisis ? (excuse me everyone, I have no badge of any kind)
Actually, there hasn't been one single violent event from the demonstrators, except from the "casseurs" and from the police. When a mob gets really mad and violent, there is no way for the cops to control the situation. The only thing the cops succeeded at is that they raised the violence level to a higher step.

One wouldn't be surprised to see the "casseurs" using new, more powerful weapons next time against what they call the pigs. On the other side, ministre de la Sécurité publique Dutil, could be charge one day to have ordered the police to shoot on the students just to protect a three foot high fence. Violence calls for violence. Stupidity is not the student's exclusivity.

A real leader would NOT CONSTANTLY cheat until the very very end of the crisis.
Crisis, what crisis ?
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ethrop
micro-bio-tic
11:26 AM on 05/08/2012
Right... and there was never any link between the Anarchists et the protesters, was there? Right. It's always someone else's fault, isn't it?

Your "Wouldn't be surprised", of course, started out as a "Maybe" and next time you put it through a Facebook link, il will become a "well-known fact" which will transmorgify into "videos that establish without doubt"...

Where have we seen this before? Take a deep breath, scotty, the world is not hanging on your pent-up tantrum.
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ethrop
micro-bio-tic
12:31 PM on 05/08/2012
So what you are basically saying is, "let see how far we can let it escalade before lots of people get hurt, including ourselves"? What exactly is it you would do if you were in charge? Let the goons break windows to their heart's content? And you actually believe Dutil would face charges? Are you out of mind?

You know perfectly well the Victo events were started by groups o fpunks who ytravelled to Victo in the school buses. Everyone knew what they were going to do.
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Runey
religion is why we can't have nice things.
12:51 AM on 05/08/2012
Oh you silly Quebeccers... you thought they'd treat you any different than they did in Ontario with the G20 protesters? The cops are universally mirroring USA style plutocratic fascism.
paintitblacker
shit happens life goes on
11:56 PM on 05/07/2012
its a well known tactic of the police to infiltrate the protesters and cause trouble just to discredit the students, its been done before ,and it will be done again.
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Vapula
Failure is not an option
11:40 PM on 05/07/2012
We need Police to police the Police because, far too often, thy act worse than the demonstrators. You would think that they are just thugs in uniform and unfortunately you could be right.
SamEasy
You really don`t want to know.
12:41 AM on 05/08/2012
If the protesters must be identifiible, so must the riot police. With all that gear on they are virtually unidentifiable, so rather than little badges they sould be wearing sport-sized numbers on their backs. Perhaps that would help THEM to be MORE responsible.
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Ryan Devine
10:18 PM on 05/07/2012
If it was not two kids who lost their vision from less-than-lethal projectile crowd control measure, it may have actually been believable that officers do not aim for protesters heads.
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PG13
11:05 PM on 05/07/2012
and a student who received a rock to the head thrown by another student
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12:12 AM on 05/08/2012
I suppose you were there to testify
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fromdnorth
OK I checked my micro-bio (didn't know I had one
09:06 PM on 05/07/2012
WHO IS PROVOKING WHOM
09:06 PM on 05/07/2012
Most police forces are taught to be bullies or their selection and /or indoctrination bias them in that direction. If they gave medals for preventing escalation of violence through peaceful means instead of attaboys for beating the shit out of some kid or bystander maybe their behaviour would change.Then again I am assuming they have leadership at the top where most are nothing more than gutless managers who do whatever they are told regardless of the source or likely outcome. Kids need look no further for examples of gutless bullying than to our police forces..
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arkymorgan
Nobody knows the trouble I've been...
08:35 PM on 05/07/2012
My generation knew this story all too well. Police constantly created situations that led to violence and occasionally even admitted to sparking purposeful riots to use as "training exercises"...

We were blamed for everything that happened - we were portrayed as whiny brats, as troublemakers, and older people wrote public letters advocating harsher responses and even literal hangings to silence us.

And we felt beleaguered, marginalised, pushed out of the political process and under constant threat.

Now,of course, those same once-upon-a-time protestors are the letter-writers, the marginalisers, the advocates of the status quo, because, well, "I'm all right, Jack".

It's shameful.
08:22 PM on 05/07/2012
Between this, the WTO and the G-20 I've lost alot of respect for the police and thats a shame because at one time I even wanted to join the OPP or RCMP.
07:43 PM on 05/07/2012
Police do contribute badly to protests and use way to much force. JNot only force but I have seen them egging the problem on further and more people getting hurt because of it.They antagonize people they know are already worked up. Here's hoping for more peaceful protests on either side!
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Steve Karmazenuk
Author, Freelance Journalist, Curmudgeon
07:10 PM on 05/07/2012
No, what's causing the problem isn't the police reaction, but the separatist terrorist organization Reseau de Resistance de Quebec, which is getting quite efficient at violent protest, intimidation, threats and anarchy.

They are the heirs to the FLQ.
08:45 PM on 05/07/2012
Yeah, and I wonder who let them off the leash. BLACK OPS ANYONE?
09:24 PM on 05/07/2012
lol ! and you call yourself a journalist ? Shamefull to say the least.
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Steve Karmazenuk
Author, Freelance Journalist, Curmudgeon
09:42 PM on 05/07/2012
You need only look at the RRQ's track record to see I've said nothing untrue.
06:41 PM on 05/07/2012
Throw a rock at a police person, that's enough. Far as I'm concerned that gives the police all the reason they need to do whatever they believe necessary to disperse the crowd.

Stand beside someone who throws a rock, make no effort to stop them, and keep standing there; that's enough. Far as I'm concerned one has given tacit approval for the assault and are therefore an accessory. The fact that one remains after the crime has been committed is an invitation to be a target for any police response.

Police do act in unreasonable ways sometimes, certainly they've been known to be provocative at times. Doesn't matter. If one is a peacful protestor one either stays peaceful or beats a hasty retreat at the first sign that trouble may be brewing - e.g. masked people appear.
07:21 PM on 05/07/2012
>>>gives the police all the reason they need to do whatever they believe necessary

So. No boundaries required ?
Deploy your toys and use them to maximum effect ?
No regard for safety or minimizing serious injuries ?

Police forces are being increasingly militarized.
Their crowd control, herding and snatch and grabs are brutal and unpredictably dangerous tactics.
Not every kid throws rocks.
Some kids speak out and prevent others from going too far.

As a parent I can accept that my kid might get arrested at a protest.
I do not accept that the police get to kick the carp out of him in the process.

No way.
We are better than this.
Seamus OMalley
My micro-bio is no longer empty.
06:19 AM on 05/08/2012
So what would you have done differently?
05:54 PM on 05/08/2012
Seems to me that if rioters have no boundaries one can not expect the police to simply stand and take it.

I support the right to free and peaceful assembly and protest. But such a group has a responsibility to stay peaceful. Each and every individual involved has a responsibility towards the peaceful state of the assembly.

It bothers me a great deal that so many think protesters have the right to participate in a violent demonstration and the police have to simply stand by and let the property of others be destroyed.

It's my opinion that the police need only show protesters the courtesy they are showing other private citizens who's property they are in the process of destroying.
08:20 PM on 05/07/2012
*Stand beside someone who throws a rock, make no effort to stop them, and keep standing there; that's enough. Far as I'm concerned one has given tacit approval for the assault and are therefore an accessory.*

yeah, that'll go over well in court /snark
09:36 PM on 05/07/2012
Funny how protestors whine about rights and law and the courts when they get hurt in the course of their violent protests. what about the rights of property owners? The rights of the public? Or how taxpayers have to pay for clean up and enforcement?

I support the right to protest and the right to free speech...but really. Holding donuts at the end of fishing rods? How is that protesting the issue at hand?