Bill C-38: NDP Says Ottawa Considering Splitting Up Massive Budget Bill

CP  |  By Posted: 05/08/2012 7:24 pm Updated: 05/09/2012 5:28 pm

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Finance Minister Jim Flaherty.

OTTAWA - The Harper government seems to be having second thoughts about the wisdom of lumping major changes to dozens of statutes into one massive budget bill.

NDP House leader Nathan Cullen says his Conservative counterpart, Peter Van Loan, is considering a New Democrat proposal to split the 400-plus-page budget implementation bill into five separate pieces of legislation.

Cullen expects to hear back from Van Loan late Tuesday or early Wednesday.

On Monday, Van Loan categorically ruled out splitting up the bill, calling the NDP proposal "just another attempt to delay this important job-creating bill."

But by Tuesday, a spokesman for the minister was no longer so unequivocal when asked about Cullen's assertion that his proposal is under discussion.

Fraser Malcolm would say only that the government House leader is "constantly having discussions with opposition House leaders on all matters; we never discuss those in public."

He did not respond when asked if Van Loan is no longer ruling out dividing the bill.

The budget bill — which includes reforms to environmental regulations, fisheries management and immigration law, among other things — has been widely condemned by opposition parties, environmentalists and other advocacy groups.

They maintain the government is trying to sneak through major, contentious, changes to non-budgetary statutes by stuffing them in the budget bill, where they will receive little separate scrutiny.

"Sending a 400-page bill that covered 60 different statutes to a sub-committee of finance just didn't make any sense," NDP Leader Tom Mulcair told reporters Tuesday.

"The number one thing that we're elected to do is to hold the government to account and make that analysis on behalf of all Canadians and we plan to do our jobs correctly."

In the House of Commons, Mulcair twice asked Prime Minister Stephen Harper to accept the NDP proposal for splitting the bill. Harper did not answer either question directly.

"The government received a mandate to make jobs and growth and long-term prosperity its major emphasis," Harper said.

"The economic action plan was put before this Parliament in March and approved in principle in April. A first bill is now before Parliament which will be debated in a record amount of time.

"I would encourage all members of Parliament to focus on that work and move forward on the priority of Canadians."

Shortly afterward, however, Finance Minister Jim Flaherty emerged from the Commons and nixed the idea of splitting the bill.

"No, there's one budget bill in the spring and one in the fall. It's the same as every other year," Flaherty insisted.

Cullen was not discouraged.

"The prime minister today had an opportunity to say 'no' and he didn't," Cullen said in an interview.

As for Flaherty, Cullen said he's been dealing with Van Loan on the issue and the House leader has seemed receptive.

"I don't get the sense that they're just stringing us along. I think they are actually contemplating our offer."

If the government refuses to split the bill, Mulcair warned that the NDP has other "legal" and parliamentary tools at its disposal that it could use to hold up the massive bill until all its various parts have been adequately studied.

"We have a lot of options and we'll exercise them," he said, refusing to elaborate.

Liberal House leader Marc Garneau said there are parliamentary procedural tools that his party is also willing to use but no legal tools that he's aware of. The Liberals also favour splitting the bill.

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OTTAWA - The Harper government seems to be having second thoughts about the wisdom of lumping major changes to dozens of statutes into one massive budget bill.NDP House leader Nathan Cullen says his C...
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02:27 PM on 05/09/2012
Just goes to show you - Danny Williams was right! You can't trust Steve.
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rickthaluddite
What noisy cats are we
03:13 PM on 05/09/2012
Imagine Danny Williams as leader of The Liberal Party of Canada-- the next election is closer than Harper thinks.
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patrickwwalker
10:18 AM on 05/10/2012
Danny Williams is unelectable. He's not from central Canada.
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Nadine Lumley
unseatHarper circle ca
11:04 AM on 05/09/2012
Why Canada can't afford Stephen Harper

It’s a good time to debunk the biggest Stephen Harper myth there is: “We are good economic managers”. Repeating a lie does not make it true.

We need to spend $15 billion on jails because unreported crimes are rising? Don't believe them. We need to stop the long-form census, because the census-takers are going to send you to jail? Don't believe them. We need to kill the long-gun registry, because the police are leading a cult conspiracy to take away everybody's guns? Don't believe them. We awarding a $19 billion untendered contract for new jets because the Russians are coming? Don't believe them. This is a government that is counting on fear, driven by lies, to earn the votes it needs to win again.

http://www.vancouverobserver.com/blogs/civicvoices/2010/12/19/why-canada-cant-afford-stephen-harper
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Nadine Lumley
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11:03 AM on 05/09/2012
The "kitchen sink" approach

By burying something they want into an enormous bill/document, the “everything including the kitchen sink” technique, the Conservative government is trying to get what it knows it can’t achieve in a parliamentary democracy, just by burying the item deep into a huge document they know will be impossible for 99.9% of people to read.

Aside sort of example: He buried it as issue four in an eight-issue brief” and lost the appeal. “That was a classic example where somebody was trying to throw in everything. …If you’ve got one good winning point, go with it,” Judge Moltz says. “There’s nothing wrong with a one issue brief.” Or, perhaps three issues make sense, but not six, says Judge Aldisert:
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Ryan L Painter
Activist, friend to labour, blogger, progressive
12:21 AM on 05/09/2012
The hypocrisy of Harper truly knows no bounds. From an opposition leader in 2005 who said omnibus bills were "a contradiction to the conventions and practices of the House. … In the interests of democracy, I ask how can members represent their constituents on these various areas when they are forced to vote on a block of such legislation" to a PM who has increased his page allotment. Since 2006 his omnibus bill page count has increased as follows: 528, 644, 880 and the recent omnibus budget bill of 425. Ok, so this one was mellow compared to it's sisters and brothers, but the fact is, how can ANYONE trust this government or it's leader?
09:54 PM on 05/08/2012
Can anyone tell me a SINGLE item in their so-called "Economic Action Plan" other than the happy-go-lucky ads (CONservative Party ads paid for by the Canadian taxpayer)? No, me neither. Otherwise, it's 1) create the largest federal deficit in Canadian history, even larger than Mulroney's 2) give away massive tax breaks to the wealthiest Canadians 3) cut benefits for the poor, elderly, and defenseless 4) spend billions in CONservative cabinet ministers' ridings and 5) give the Americans $35 BILLION - with zero Canadian jobs - for planes that don't fly and won't meet Canada's military needs.
These fraudsters claim to be the managers of the Canadian economy - their lies will soon be revealed. And they will blame everyone else.
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stanschurman
08:57 PM on 05/08/2012
Those photos of Flaherty should be labelled "The face of incompetence".
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patrickwwalker
10:15 AM on 05/10/2012
You can only have one face of incompetence, and that squarely belongs to Peter Mackay. He has a lock on that one.
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rickthaluddite
What noisy cats are we
11:35 AM on 05/10/2012
The whole of Harper's cabinet is incompetent.
08:49 PM on 05/08/2012
when 150 of a 450 page "budget " are about altering environmental regulations --------

you are looking at AMERICAN STYLE legislating where TAX CUTS for the super wealthy are made part of all bills benefiting the low and middle classes

this is not how things are done in canada ----except by a government trying to pull a fast one

these bums deserve to be kicked to the curb
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Spanky McFarlane
ILLEGITIMUS NON CARBORUNDUM.
08:48 PM on 05/08/2012
If the Cons don't break it up the NDP should walk out of the House & let the bells ring!, ring!, ring!

They have an example to follow as the Progressive Conservatives did it in 1982 when the Libs introduced an Omnibus Energy Bill - of about 100 pages.

That would show how out of touch with reality Mr. Harper really is.
02:32 PM on 05/09/2012
Unfortunately, quorum for house business, including votes is 20 members.