Canada Dutch Disease? Flaherty Slams Mulcair For Suggesting Petro-Dollar Hurting Manufacturing

CP  |  By Posted: 05/11/2012 2:16 pm Updated: 05/11/2012 7:24 pm

TORONTO - NDP Leader Thomas Mulcair has it wrong when it comes to the oilsands, Finance Minister Jim Flaherty said Friday.

Mulcair told a CBC radio program last weekend that the oilsands are artificially inflating the Canadian dollar and hollowing out the country's manufacturing sector.

He called it the definition of Dutch disease — a reference to the Netherlands and how a natural gas find in that country led to declines in manufacturing in the 1960s.

But Flaherty said Mulcair doesn't understand how the oilsands affect the Canadian economy.

Manufacturing in many western countries is contributing less to their GDP overall, even those without substantial oil and gas resources, he said.

"So I think his logic is off and doesn't make sense," Flaherty said after a news conference in Toronto about the 2015 Pan Am Games.

"In fact, what we see in Canada is a sharing of the wealth," he said.

''When we have a strong resource sector, as we do in Western Canada and in Newfoundland and Labrador, then we see manufacturers all across the country — including Ontario — profit from that."

Those who try to divide Canadians in terms of economic prospects are not helping the country, he warned.

Flaherty's the one who's dividing Canadians, said Peter Julian, the NDP's natural resources critic.

"The deterioration of manufacturing jobs is right across the country and it includes British Columbia and Alberta," he said in an interview from Burnaby, B.C.

"So the Conservatives are trying to divide Canadians on an East-West basis. That deterioration in manufacturing and value-added jobs is taking place in the West like it is in the East."

Flaherty doesn't see how it's affecting families, Julian said. About half a million manufacturing jobs have been lost on the Conservatives' watch. Family incomes are dropping and new jobs pay, on average, $10,000 less than ones that have been lost, he added.

"For Mr. Flaherty to say this is simply not a problem, that our government's not concerned at all about it, I think is showing real irresponsibility and it's a profound lack of leadership to say that's OK to have jobs that pay less for Canadians," Julian said.

Mulcair also told the radio program that he wants to see the oilsands developed in a responsible way that sees more refining done in Canada and less raw product sent abroad.

His comments have come under fire by Alberta Premier Alison Redford and Saskatchewan Premier Brad Wall.

If Mulcair thinks the oilsands are a disease, what does the NDP think the cure is, asked Wall.

Redford said Mulcair needs to understand just how important the oilsands are if he wants to lead the country one day.

But Mulcair isn't the only one to land in hot water over the oilsands.

Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty drew Alberta's scorn earlier this year when he said he preferred a lower dollar to a growing oil and gas sector in Western Canada.

His remarks were characterized as unnecessarily divisive by Redford, who argued the whole country benefits by supplying goods to a strong resource sector.

McGuinty later tried to tone down his remarks saying he is proud of the work being done in all parts of the country.

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    The refining or upgrading of the tarry bitumen which lies under the oil sands consumes far more oil and energy than conventional oil and produces almost twice as much carbon. Each barrel of oil requires 3-5 barrels of fresh water from the neighboring Athabasca River. About 90% of this is returned as toxic tailings into the vast unlined tailings ponds that dot the landscape. Syncrude alone dumps 500,000 tons of toxic tailings into just one of their tailings ponds everyday.

  • Boreal Forest and Coast Mountains / Atlin Lake, British Columbia | 2001

    This area, located in the extreme northwest of British Columbia, marks the western boundary of the Boreal region. On the border of the Yukon and Southeast Alaska, the western flank of these mountains descends into Alaska's Tongass Rainforest and British Columbia's Great Bear Rainforest. Far from the oil sands, the greatest remaining coastal temperate and marine ecosystem is imminently threatened by the proposal to build a 750-mile pipeline to pump 550,000 barrels per day of oil sands crude to the coast. Once there, it would be shipped through some of the most treacherous waters, virtually assuring an ecological disaster at some point in the future.

  • Tailings Pond in Winter, Abstract #2 / Alberta Tar Sands | 2010

    Even in the extreme cold of the winter, the toxic tailings ponds do not freeze. On one particularly cold morning, the partially frozen tailings, sand, liquid tailings and oil residue, combined to produce abstractions that reminded me of a Jackson Pollock canvas.

  • Aspen and Spruce | Northern Alberta | 2001

    Photographed in late autumn in softly falling snow, a solitary spruce is set against a sea of aspen. The Boreal Forest of northern Canada is perhaps the best and largest example of a largely intact forest ecosystem. Canada's Boreal Forest alone stores an amount of carbon equal to ten times the total annual global emissions from all fossil fuel consumption.

  • Tar Sands at Night #1 | Alberta Oil Sands | 2010

    Twenty four hours a day the oil sands eats into the most carbon rich forest ecosystem on the planet. Storing almost twice as much carbon per hectare as tropical rainforests, the boreal forest is the planet's greatest terrestrial carbon storehouse. To the industry, these diverse and ecologically significant forests and wetlands are referred to as overburden, the forest to be stripped and the wetlands dredged and replaced by mines and tailings ponds so vast they can be seen from outer space.

  • Dry Tailings #2 | Alberta Tar Sands | 2010

    In an effort to deal with the problem of tailings ponds, Suncor is experimenting with dry tailings technology. This has the potential to limit, or eliminate, the need for vast tailings ponds in the future and lessen this aspect of the oil sands' impact.

  • Tailings Pond Abstract #2 | Alberta Tar Sands / 2010

    So large are the Alberta Tar Sands tailings ponds that they can be seen from space. It has been estimated by Natural Resources Canada that the industry to date has produced enough toxic waste to fill a canal 32 feet deep by 65 feet wide from Fort McMurray to Edmonton, and on to Ottawa, a distance of over 2,000 miles. In this image, the sky is reflected in the toxic and oily waste of a tailings pond.

  • Confluence of Carcajou River and Mackenzie River | Mackenzie Valley, NWT | 2005

    The Caracajou River winds back and forth creating this oxbow of wetlands as it joins the Mackenzie flowing north to the Beaufort Sea. This region, almost entirely pristine, and the third largest watershed basin in the world, will be directly impacted by the proposed Mackenzie Valley National Gas Pipeline to fuel the energy needs of the Alberta Oil Sands mega-project.

  • Black Cliff | Alberta Oil Sands | 2005

    Oil sands pit mining is done in benches or steps. These benches are each approximately 12-15 meters high. Giant shovels dig the oil sand and place it into heavy hauler trucks that range in size from 240 tons to the largest trucks, which have a 400-ton capacity.

  • Oil Sands Upgrader in Winter| Alberta Oil Sands | 2010

    The Alberta oil sands are Canada's single largest source of carbon. They produce about as much annually as the nation of Denmark. The refining of the tar-like bitumen requires more water and uses almost twice as much energy as the production of conventional oil. Particularly visible in winter, vast plumes of toxic pollution fill the skies. The oil sands are so large they create their own weather systems.

  • Boreal Forest and Wetland | Athabasca Delta Northern Alberta | 2010

    Located just 70 miles downstream from the Alberta oil sands, the Athabasca Delta is the world's largest freshwater delta. It lies at the convergence of North America's four major flyways and is a critical stopover for migrating waterfowl and considered one of the most globally significant wetlands. It is threatened both by the massive water consumption of the tar sands and its toxic tailings ponds.

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    This network of roads reminded me of a claw or tentacles. It represents for me the way in which the tentacles of the tar sands reach out and wreak havoc and destruction. Proposed pipelines to American Midwest, Mackenzie Valley, and through the Great Bear Rainforest will bring new threats to these regions while the pipelines fuel new markets and ensure the proposed five fold expansion of the oil sands.

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Thalin Lea
08:07 PM on 05/14/2012
It's all about money money money money money that ends up in the Magnates accounts .What about our environment, our species , the global warming , the future of our kids , the new generations ? when this natural resource stop producing oil , what is it going to happen after all the environment gets devastated ?
07:46 PM on 05/14/2012
At least Mulcair understands that Canada will never grow by giving away it's raw materials to foreign nationals and not demanding that Value Add jobs are generated in this country. The conservatives have done nothing but give away our resources and this latest effort to reduce the environmental reviews will only guarantee a larger bill for the Canadian taxpayers for the clean up of these environmental disasters at or near the end of their life cycle. But the biggest mistake has to be to allow the OIL Sands Crude to be shipped across Canada to the USA without shipping it to the West Coast and setting up our own refineries, that really is just a bad joke.
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Gnomish
ego doctus ignarus
08:32 PM on 05/13/2012
Clearly neither do you Sir. As I work in a large business park, I can watch as Businesses fold around me. The look I see on workers faces every day just says survival.
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sonoffestus
Got smart & got out!
11:49 AM on 05/13/2012
This is from the boys that took a surplus and did what with it?

Conservatives bleed and mislead nations. The only thing they do very well................SOF.
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Capital Ottawa
07:50 AM on 05/13/2012
"Mulcair also told the radio program that he wants to see the oilsands developed in a responsible way that sees more refining done in Canada and less raw product sent abroad."

Seems very reasonable... in contrast to full steam ahead development of the "ethical" oilsands with weaker environmental legislation... a recipe for disaster. It's dangerous for Canada to put all of it's effort into developing one sector of our economy, resource extraction, while ignoring the rest.
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Deir Yassin Survivor
10:23 PM on 05/12/2012
Is the governemnt saying that a weaker dollar will decrease exports of Canadian manufactured goods?
Maybe NDP don't understand the economy? but the minister doesn't understand economics!!
06:23 PM on 05/12/2012
Our Dollar is supported at a high historic level due to demand for Canadian Dollars to buy Canadian Goods or Investments. The exchange rate of all currency is related to this, if they use a flexible exchange rate policy as we do in Canada. In this case, it is demand for crude oil and the related expenses for the Oil sands. Foreign buyers must exchange there currency for Canadian Dollars to import the oil for refining in their country, or to my heavy equipment and other equipment used in the Tar Sands. I manufacturing section grew depended on a low dollar during the early 1990’s, and used this to grow. This is gone, and without a lower dollar there will be little recovery of Manufacturing related to Exports in the near future. Future growth in a high dollar environment will need to come from gains in productivity, with the use of Capital Equipment and Technology and not thru higher employment. It’s a bad situation and the Dollar strength at this time is almost complete related to the resource sector. No easy answer, but the Minister of Finance saying it is not so, it of no help. Just my option and many will disagree, but we cannot dismiss anyone’s ideas when trying to find a solution.
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Warren Yuill
Jesus Built My Hot-Rod
02:35 PM on 05/12/2012
China's endless supply of cheap/slave labour and our lax import regulations are the reasons why our manufacturing sector has been decimated.
Buy stuff made in Canada.
Demand it from your retailer.
Tell Wal-Mart to hit the bricks.
05:44 PM on 05/12/2012
Ironically, China appears to have realized that a thriving middle class with better paying jobs is the real engine of the economy. It creates wealth at a far faster pace than developing foreign trade surpluses. This is why the relaxation of regulation of commercial enterprise.

I believe that China is now poised to surpass the U.S. in many ways, having lured production facilities away from the U.S. China also holds a great proportion of U.S. debt and can hamper any attempt at repatriating the means of production.

Greed has decimated our manufacturing sector because people can't live on McJobs.
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piceaglauca
The picture says it all....
10:37 AM on 05/12/2012
Jim, you have been talking since your travelling circus two years ago when you went about the country studying pensions. Nothing has changed for those that are retired on fixed incomes and now you are denying what is happening to our economy. There is a hidden group of unemployed and the rise recently in job hirings is simply part time workers moving into term seasonal jobs. We will see what happens as more students come on line. The fact is true, the manufacturing sector is dead and you have done nothing to improve it since many won't spend money and risk their life savings knowing full well they could be out of a job. If companies don't want to spend their profits pending an upturn then its a bitter circle. I predict in 10 years the social welfare rolls will be plagued by present middle aged people who could not keep a job and have depleted their resources. Further to this if the housing bubble materializes we will be in a hell of a mess. Lets see what Greece does to our economy.
10:22 AM on 05/12/2012
Nooooo .,.. it's the Cons who don't have a clue about the economy. With them, it's all about oil, oil, oil, and keeping their Cowtown yanqui Big Oil puppetmasters happy with every little thing they desire.
In the meantime, they are killing the rest of the country's economy. If I was a manufacturer in Ontario, I;d be pissed too. Pathetic performance all around.
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fromdnorth
OK I checked my micro-bio (didn't know I had one
10:15 AM on 05/12/2012
Right Fla. We know what you are about. We changed our currency from paper (northwestern Ontario) to plastic (Alberta oil)...
06:19 AM on 05/12/2012
What happens if the Oil Sands are replace? Say if a new technique like I don't know maybe Fracking produced an endless supply of a different energy or nuclear fission became a reality? Would we be able to produce any revenues or economic benefits from the Tar Sands then?
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freeSpeakr
I stand on the shoulders of giants
01:53 AM on 05/12/2012
Hey Jim - I think your trickle-downy-supply-sidey-tea-baggy thing is broken. Oh - it never worked in the first place. or maybe it did all too well.
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Trashcan Man
Luck does not reduce risk even when it seems to.
11:52 PM on 05/11/2012
Jim "I can't spend the budgetary surplus fast enough" Flaherty.

Here is a prime example of a regional manager who just happened to stumble on the world stage. Why anyone would vote for a politician who doesn't respect his own province boggles the mind.

"In fact, what we see in Canada is a sharing of the wealth," Clueless
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Mike Keohane
10:31 PM on 05/11/2012
I know very little, but from what I read, the only thing keeping the dollar relatively high and interest rates low is oil. Ontario and Quebec are drowning in debt. What could have a more postive impact on our recovery than low rates?