Robert Pickton Inquiry: RCMP Had Many Reasons To Search Farm By 1999, Says Lawyer

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VANCOUVER - A civilian RCMP worker rang in the year 2000 at serial killer Robert Pickton's illegal booze operation, where she saw him with a woman she later recognized in news coverage of missing sex workers from Vancouver's Downtown Eastside, the public inquiry into the case heard Tuesday.

But it's not known whether Beverly (Puff) Hyacinthe, who worked in the radio room at the Coquitlam RCMP detachment, ever told investigators what she saw or anything else she knew about Pickton. She isn't scheduled to testify.

The inquiry has already heard about Hyacinthe, who lived near Pickton in Port Coquitlam and had known him and his brother David for years. Her husband attended grade school with the Picktons; her son had worked for them.

Cameron Ward, a lawyer representing the families of more than two dozen missing and murdered women, revealed what Hyacinthe told police investigators several days after Pickton's arrest in February 2002, including details of her trips to an illegal drinking establishment known as Piggy's Palace.

"On Dec. 31, 1999, Willie brought a date to one of the parties at Piggy's Palace, who (Hyacinthe), when she saw the front page of the Vancouver Province several weeks later, immediately recognized as one of the missing women from the Downtown Eastside," Cameron Ward told the inquiry as he summarized the police interview.

"She could produce photos of that evening upon request."

Ward said the woman at the party was likely either Mona Wilson or Dawn Crey. Wilson was one of the six women Pickton was convicted of killing, and Crey's DNA was found on the Pickton property.

By the end of 1999, the RCMP were investigating a tip that Pickton killed a sex worker on his property and were considering the possibility he was responsible for more murders.

Hyacinthe was aware of that investigation and had spoken to officers involved in the case. For example, she told Cpl. Mike Connor, who in 1998 and 1999 was the lead investigator on the file, that Pickton was aware police were monitoring his activities.

Connor told the inquiry earlier this year that he didn't pry for more information from Hyacinthe about Pickton.

A group of four officers who testified Tuesday, including Ruth Chapman, who took over from Connor, and Earl Moulton, who was an inspector in charge of major crime in Coquitlam, said Ward's cross-examination was the first time they had heard detailed information about what Hyacinthe knew about the Picktons.

"All I can say is that if this is the state of Puff's knowledge, I sure wish she'd made it known to us," Moulton told the inquiry.

"I put it to you she did — she told you," said Ward.

"She did not," replied Moulton.

Other information Hyacinthe told the police during her February 2002 interview:

— Pickton staged cockfights and pit bill fights on his farm.

— Piggy's Palace was frequented by "a strange group of people" and Pickton would always bring "dates" to his parties.

— Years earlier, her husband helped the Picktons bury stolen cars on their property.

— Her son told her there were often women on Pickton's farm, who he believed were sex workers.

— Her son once saw bloody clothing in Pickton's truck.

The RCMP have maintained they did not have enough information to legally search Pickton's property, but Ward has argued police were well aware of illegal activities Pickton was involved in — any number of which could have been used to secure a warrant.

Ward noted a tipster told police Pickton was running weekly cockfights on his farm, and the RCMP knew for years about Piggy's Palace, which was frequented by members of the Hells Angels.

He said the Mounties also had information about illegal guns. Ross Caldwell, who told police in 1999 that Pickton may have killed a sex worker at his farm, recalled seeing guns on the property.

Almost three years later, a junior officer named Nathan Wells used another tip about illegal firearms to obtain a search warrant for Pickton's farm, which ultimately led to his arrest on Feb. 5, 2002.

"You could have got on the property in '99," said Ward.

Moulton insisted Caldwell's tip wasn't enough. He said he even asked a Crown prosecutor in 1999 whether police had enough evidence to obtain a search warrant, and he was told they did not.

"The information from Mr. Caldwell had been assessed by myself and many others, and the information did not support the issuance (of a warrant)," said Moulton.

Pickton was eventually convicted of six counts of second-degree murder.

Police found the remains or DNA of 33 women on Pickton's property. He once told an undercover police officer he killed 49.

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VANCOUVER - A civilian RCMP worker rang in the year 2000 at serial killer Robert Pickton's illegal booze operation, where she saw him with a woman she later recognized in news coverage of missing sex ...
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paintitblacker
shit happens life goes on
06:24 AM on 05/21/2012
why was no one else ever charged , I don't believe one person with an I Q of 70 did not do this by himself, so who are the police protecting besides themselves.
paintitblacker
shit happens life goes on
03:54 AM on 05/21/2012
what a sham of an inquiry, there trying to sanitise the whole fiasco but its to late we know what they think of us and how they feel they have a right to treat us like disposable people. One day the shoe will be on the other foot. don't be suprised if you get kicked in the face.
so what they were sex trade workers, but if they had a point grey address the police would have had 75 members dogs helocopters profilers, but no your heritage and your address determine your worth ,these women were sisters daughters mothers , they were people ,human beings and they were more than the sum of their addictions , go ahead and try you will never wash the blood of your hands, nor will this sham of an inquiry give you the absolution you feel entitled to
Donna Meness
www.findmaisyandshannon.com
07:48 AM on 05/21/2012
Some historical background :

"Some thinkers in Western Christendom regarded pagan or unbaptized peoples as
existing in a non-legal state, or as having what he referred to as, "an
existence sine juribus." Essentially, this means "an existence without
rights," or with very few inferior rights, in western law and political
thought.
Donna Meness
www.findmaisyandshannon.com
07:50 AM on 05/21/2012
Categorizing indigenous peoples as essentially inhuman "unbaptized stuff,"
resulted in an automatic inference: Christians are paramount over all
non-Christians. It was this idea that led to the pope's claim of "sovereignty
over the whole earth," a claim that led Pope Alexander VI to purport to
divide the globe by the famous line of demarcation, whereby the Vatican
granted Portugal the right of conquest over one half of the globe, and the
Spanish monarchs the right of conquest over the other half, so long as the
"discovered" lands were "not possessed by any Christian prince." This is the
famous papal bull Inter Cetera (four such bulls were issued in 1493) that
called for the "subjugation" of all "barbarous" non-Christian nations. The
1794 Treaty of Tordesilla between the two monarchies formalized the
demarcation line.

The cognitive system of Christendom did not disappear as the generations
passed. It merely morphed into a more secularized expression of the same
religious mentality. Thus, Lieber wrote: "The English and Americans have not
wholly discarded the idea that the white man, at least, if not the Christian,
is entitled "
paintitblacker
shit happens life goes on
09:16 AM on 05/21/2012
when I was 9 I was locked out of church ,my mom was divorced and living in sin with another man , and even though I'm white ,I was treated like dirt throughout my childhood ,truth be told the only difference between me and anyone of clifford olsens victims was that i survived,so please know that when i say I understand ,I mean it ,but its from a different viewpoint . Being locked out of church wasn't that big of a deal, I could take the dollar and buy a pack of smokes , I sure could have done without the sexual abuse though , some people should never be allowed out in public ever
Donna Meness
www.findmaisyandshannon.com
02:59 PM on 05/16/2012
www.findmaisyandshannon.com ( two of our girls missing since Sept./08)
Donna Meness
www.findmaisyandshannon.com
10:32 PM on 05/15/2012
Ernie Crey & family so so sorry you have to face this pain again...

To Mona Wilson's family : we feel your pain...sigh
Donna Meness
www.findmaisyandshannon.com
09:08 PM on 05/15/2012
We endorse the PETITION TO THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA ON THE INVESTIGATION OF UNSOLVED CASES OF MISSING/MURDERED FIRST NATIONS WOMEN Petition to CANADIAN GOVERNMENT (FEDERAL).

Read the PETITION TO THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA ON THE INVESTIGATION OF UNSOLVED CASES OF MISSING/MURDERED FIRST NATIONS WOMEN Petition
Donna Meness
www.findmaisyandshannon.com
Donna Meness
www.findmaisyandshannon.com
09:07 PM on 05/15/2012
A life free from violence is a basic human right and yet, statistics prove that at least one out of every three women has been beaten, forced into sex or otherwise abused in her lifetime.
If I appear to be all over the map with this blog, it’s because this subject is ALL OVER THE MAP!
Violence against women and girls is a global, universal problem of pandemic proportions and according to the World Health Organization, up to 70% of female murder victims are killed by their male partners.

Even more staggering is the Canadian government statistic: young Indigenous women are five times more likely than other women of the same age to die as the result of violence.
paintitblacker
shit happens life goes on
06:02 AM on 05/21/2012
the whole story bothers me a great deal, but worse than the story is the way native women are treated. my grandmother was a v.o.n. nurse back in the 1920's She spent 14 or 15 years in b.c.and alberta ,inoculating native children and my mom was born on a reserve in pouce coupe. I have always looked up to natives , when I look at how natives are systematically abused , it makes me feel so sad and angry,I wish people would respect natives,the same way they feel entitled to be respected by everyone else. I was living on the dtes when picton was on his killing spree, we knew there was someone out there and people were disappearing ,and the cops did nothing. Because of there address and there heritage. but if they were white and lived in point grey there would have a task force of 75 ,dogs helicopters profilers, so when I look at this story I do not see it as a case of murder ,but state sponsored genocide
Donna Meness
www.findmaisyandshannon.com
07:36 AM on 05/21/2012
National Clearinghouse on Family Violence
Emma D. LaRocque *

Permission is granted for noncommercial reproduction related to educational or clinical purposes.Please acknowledge the source.
ISBN 0-662-21483-8

Racism, Sexism,

Colonization and racism go hand in hand. Racism has provided justification for the subjugation of Aboriginal peoples. While all Aboriginal people are subjected to racism, women further suffer from sexism. Racism breeds hatred of Aboriginal peoples; sexism breeds hatred of women. For Aboriginal women, racism and sexism constitute a package experience. We cannot speak of sexual violence without at once addressing the effects of racism/sexism.
Donna Meness
www.findmaisyandshannon.com
08:13 PM on 05/15/2012
In British Columbia, Highway 16 has been dubbed “The Highway of Tears” since the mid nineties, when a number of First Nation women disappeared from that area or were found murdered there- at least five of these women were under the age of 18. In 2002, Terri Brown of NWAC (Native Women’s Association of Canada) condution interviews and ascertained that some 31 missing women had fallen victim to The Highway. A film released in July 2009, a film entitled “Finding Dawn” counts the number as more than 60.
Inspired by the Stolen Sisters report (Amnesty International) in 2004 Canada’s Fahrenheit Films produced a one-hour television documentary entitled “Stolen Sisters” that followed one family’s search for a missing loved one and documented other stories of the missing. It first aired in October of 2007.
Five years ago, the Native Women's Association of Canada formed “Sisters In Spirit” a campaign to raise awareness about violence against aboriginal women- many who have suffered domestic abuse, homelessness and such poverty that they have turned to prostitution.
The list of missing and murdered women covers the country.
Donna Meness
www.findmaisyandshannon.com
09:06 PM on 05/15/2012
Laura Madison a criminologist researcher with Dark Horse Consulting in Kenora conducted extensive research into missing people across the country and uncovered discrepancies with how police deal with missing First Nations women.

She has provided the Ontario Provincial Police North West Region with training sessions and provided them with handouts about policy, communication, legislative and social issues that require changes to better protect Aboriginal women.

“The fact that you can actually see a missing First Nation woman’s face in the newspapers just started about two years ago,” Madison was quoted as saying in January of 2009.
Donna Meness
www.findmaisyandshannon.com
08:09 PM on 05/15/2012
In February 2009, the UN Human Rights Council issued a report that specifically highlighted the treatment of aboriginal women in Canada as a human rights concern. Apparently, Saskatchewan is the only province to have developed a missing persons committee. Amnesty International, the Native Women’s Association of Canada (NWAC), the National Union of Public and General Employees (NUPGE) and the Liberal Party of Canada have all called on the federal government to take more action on the alarming number of Aboriginal women and girls that have been murdered or gone missing in the past three decades.
As of March 2009-
There were 520 known cases of missing or murdered Aboriginal women and girls in Canada; a group that makes up less than 2% of the Canadian population.
347 of the 520, or 67 percent, were murdered. 126 (24 percent) are women and girls who remain missing;
150 of the 347 murder cases remain unsolved
The majority of cases occurred in Western provinces, with 137 incidents in B.C. alone.
Of the known cases that have been documented:

26% of the incidents occurred in British Columbia, 17% occurred in Alberta, 14% in Manitoba, and 12% in Saskatchewan. (Twenty-six of the B.C. cases are women whose remains were found at the notorious Picton pig farm.)
52% of the cases involve women and girls under the age of 30 years. Fourteen percent of the missing girls and young women were under 18 years of age at the time of their disappearance.
Donna Meness
www.findmaisyandshannon.com
08:12 PM on 05/15/2012
43% of the cases of missing women and girls have occurred during or since 2000.
55% of the cases of murder and 43% of disappearances occurred during or since 2000.
Some native leaders estimate the true number of missing to be closer to 3000.
It's hard to put this in perspective but if you compared the “500” death and disappearance rate to the corresponding number of citizens in this country- it would be equivalent to over 18,000 Canadian women and girls missing or murdered in the past thirty years.

& another horrible statistic: 86% of perpetrators of sexually violent crimes against Native people are non-Native.
Donna Meness
www.findmaisyandshannon.com
08:08 PM on 05/15/2012
http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Could+serial+killer+roaming+Highway/1937131/story.html
By John Bermingham, The ProvinceAugust 28, 2009
Could a serial killer be roaming Highway 16?

Family calls for task force after 6 young females vanish along the route in 12 years
Is a serial killer cruising up and down the Highway of Tears?
Since 1990, six girls or young women have either been murdered or disappeared along Highway 16, which links Prince George to Prince Rupert.
Now the family of one of them is calling for a missing-women task force similar to Vancouver's.
Donna Meness
www.findmaisyandshannon.com
08:06 PM on 05/15/2012
for a more blunt assessment overall
http://wiinimkiikaa.wordpress.com/police-murders-inquiries/
Donna Meness
www.findmaisyandshannon.com
08:06 PM on 05/15/2012
http://www.gangprevention.ca/sites/default/files/2009_trafficking_of_aboriginal_women.pdf

The publication ban was lifted in the case against Robert Pickton, a Coquitlam B.C. pig farmer and serial killer. New information revealed that he had been previously charged with attempted murder in 1997 but the court stayed the charges because the woman, a sex-trade worker who suffered multiple stab wounds and lost 3 litres of blood, was said not to be a credible witness.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/08/04/bc-pickton-publication-bans.html

*********This is a testament to the state of the Justice system *************
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http://www.nwac.ca/2010-sisters-spirit-vigils

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What Their Stories Tell Us: Research Findings from the Sisters in Spirit initiative " Our report brings together five years of research related to missing and murdered Aboriginal women and girls in Canada. This report presents demographic and statistical evidence from NWAC’s Sisters In Spirit database, while situating the issue within the larger context of root causes and ways forward. It also draws on information gathered through the existing literature and highlights some of the stories and experiences shared by families of missing and murdered Aboriginal women and girls. NWAC reminds readers that each number presented here represents a woman or girl who is loved and missed by her family.

http://www.nwac.ca/sites/default/files/imce/2010_NWAC_SIS_Report_EN_Lite.pdf

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Donna Meness
www.findmaisyandshannon.com
08:05 PM on 05/15/2012
6. Witness reported the activities of the PICTON brothers at Musqueam in 2002 to the Vancouver police (VPD), after the “ Piggy Palace ” story was reported in local media. But Ed and Leona SPARROW stopped the subsequent police investigation of the remains deposited at Musqueam by the PICTONs after arranging a cover-up with VPD Constable Scott ROLLINS (Badge #2028) and officer Jodine KELLER. Leona SPARROW was also seen attending parties at the PICTON’s “Pig Farm” in company of RCMP.

http://blogs.myspace.com/bloodwashinghands