Greyhound Bus Killer Granted Supervised Passes

CP  |  Posted: Updated: 05/18/2012 1:34 pm


Greyhound bus killer Vince Li is now allowed to go on short, escorted outings from the Manitoba mental hospital where he has been committed.


Li, who has schizophrenia, was sent to the Selkirk Mental Health Centre after being found not criminally responsible of beheading Tim McLean, 22, a fellow passenger on a Greyhound bus near Portage La Prairie, Man., in July 2008.


The Manitoba Review Board ruled on Thursday that Li can leave the hospital grounds for supervised excursions into the city of Selkirk, Man., starting at 30 minutes in duration.


Those excursions can be increased incrementally to a "maximum of full days," according to the board's written ruling.


He must be escorted at all times by one hospital staff member and one security or peace officer.


"The treatment team is of the opinion that his condition is stable and it would be appropriate and safe for him to leave the locked ward," the ruling states in part.


Li has been kept inside a locked wing of the mental hospital. But after an annual review of his treatment in 2010, Li started being granted short, supervised walks on the hospital grounds.


Psychiatrist requested passes


Last year, the review board decided to gradually increase those walks to several hours in length.


Earlier this week, a psychiatrist who has been treating Li asked the board to grant Li passes to take supervised trips into Selkirk, a city of more than 9,800 located north of Winnipeg, with two escorts.


Dr. Steve Kremer said Li has responded well to his treatment and understands he has schizophrenia.


The Crown did not object to the recommendation at Monday's review board hearing.


Li's doctors also recommended that he should be allowed to be generally supervised on the hospital grounds, rather than be subject to one-on-one supervision.


In Thursday's ruling, the board said Li is to be "escorted at all times with general supervision in a group of no more than three patients to one staff member who is equipped with either a two-way radio or a cellphone."


Security staff at the hospital must be notified when Li is going to leave the locked ward, the ruling states.


Victim's mother 'terrified'


McLean's mother, Carol de Delley, has argued that Li should never be allowed out of the Selkirk Mental Health Centre, but said she expected Thursday's ruling.


"I'm not surprised," she told CBC News. "Disappointed? Absolutely. Terrified?" Certainly."


De Delley said it is "ironic and ridiculous" that a mental health system that failed to protect her son from Li is now recommending that Li be reintegrated into society.


"It's typical of the complete disrespect that myself and my family have experienced throughout this entire process," she said.


On July 30, 2008, McLean, a carnival worker, was returning home to Winnipeg from Edmonton on Greyhound bus 1170 when Li sat down beside him.


Then, around 8:30 p.m. CT, when the bus was near Portage La Prairie, Man., Li pulled a buck knife from his side and began stabbing McLean — for no apparent reason, witnesses said.


After passengers fled the bus, by then on the side of the Trans-Canada Highway, Li was barricaded inside the vehicle.


During the stabbing, Li was heard to say, "Get emergency." During the five-hour standoff, he walked around the bus carrying the severed head in one hand, the knife in the other.


Around 1:30 a.m., Li attempted to jump from a bus window and was grabbed by police. When he was subdued, Li repeatedly said he was sorry but could not say what he was sorry for, officers said.


Psychiatrists testified at his trial that Li was schizophrenic and suffering a major psychotic episode at the time of the killing.


Li heard voices from God telling him that McLean was an evil threat that needed to be eliminated, the psychiatrists said.


Less than 1% chance of reoffending


Recently, Li's doctors have said he is on medication and not experiencing any symptoms or hallucinations.


Li is considered to have a 0.8 per cent chance of reoffending violently in the next seven years, according to doctors.


But de Delley has been calling for changes to Canada's justice system that would hold mentally ill killers indefinitely in hospital regardless of what progress they may show.


"They are acting within the parameters of the laws that are currently in place. That's how we got the NCR [not criminally responsible] ruling in the first place," she said.


Federal Justice Minister Rob Nicholson said he is reviewing the Criminal Code to look at how to balance public safety with the rights of those found not criminally responsible for their actions.


"Ultimately, of course, every case is decided on a case-by-case basis," Nicholson told reporters in Ottawa.


"That being said, though, I think we can give greater direction in the law to ensure protection of the public."


In a statement, Manitoba Justice Minister Andrew Swan said he is pleased that Nicholson is following through on the review, which the province had asked for two years ago.


Swan said the province will work with the federal government to make any changes as quickly as possible.


Neither justice minister would comment specifically on Li's case.


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  • RCMP officers investigate a crime that occurred on a Greyhound bus where one man was beheaded by another, Thursday morning, July 31, 2008 about 18km west of Portage La Prairie, Man. By now, Vince Li was supposed to get out for some fresh air.The man who beheaded and cannibalized another man on a Greyhound bus in 2008 was given the privilege months ago. THE CANADIAN PRESS/John Woods

  • Tim McLean's father Tim shows the tattoo of his son to media as his wife Nadine looks on outside the Law Courts in Winnipeg on Thursday, March 5, 2009 after the verdict from the trial of Vince Li, the man who stabbed and beheaded McLean on a Greyhound Bus this past summer in Manitoba. Li was found to be not criminally responsible for killing Mclean. Li was found to be not criminally responsible for killing Mclean. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Winnipeg Free Press-Mike Aporius

  • An artist's drawing of Vince Li inside the courtroom in Winnipeg, Tuesday, March 3, 2009 for his second drgree murder trial. An agreed statement of facts read at the start of Li's second-degree murder trial Tuesday said he ignored horrified passengers as he attacked McLean and then mutilated the young man's body. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Tom Andrich

  • Carol deDelley (left), mother of Tim McLean, kisses her daughter Katie outside the Law Courts in Winnipeg on Thursday, March 5, 2009 after the verdict from the trial of Vince Li, the man who stabbed and beheaded McLean on a Greyhound Bus this past summer in Manitoba. Li was found to be not criminally responsible for killing Mclean. THE CANADIAN PRESS/John Woods

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cinderelladressmaker
02:08 AM on 05/20/2012
Just to refresh the memories of you bleeding hearts:
On July 31, 2008, at 1:30 a.m., the suspect attempted to escape from the bus by breaking through a window. The RCMP arrested Li soon afterward. He was shot with a Taser twice, handcuffed and placed in the back of a police cruiser. Parts of the victim's body, placed in plastic bags, were retrieved from the bus, while his ear, nose and tongue were found in Li's pockets. The victim's eyes and a part of his heart were never recovered and are presumed to have been eaten by Li.
Think about that sympathizers!
One of Canada's most disgusting crimes comitted by someone who is not even a Canadian citizen. Sometimes, I hate the Charter of Rights.
07:32 AM on 05/19/2012
Hope his day pass doesn't come with a bus pass.
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davidwgray08
06:59 PM on 05/18/2012
Ppl are making all these references to the fact that he is 'insane'.

Not all schizophrenics cut people's heads off, and then eat them.

He should never be allowed to roam free amongst the public ever again. There is no guarantee that he will take his medicine diligently, and clearly he is capable of decapitating humans and then cannibalizing them.
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02:57 PM on 05/18/2012
He should stay at his shrinks house when he has his "supervised" passes. There has been no justice for that young man.
10:25 AM on 05/18/2012
Oh my good god. And when does he get to take a nice little bus trip across country again?
09:48 AM on 05/18/2012
that sounds like a smart idea to let him go roaming around, supervised or not.... /rolls eyes
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09:46 AM on 05/18/2012
Well this is the same country who went soft on the likes of Karla Homolka. So not surprised here.
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bub26
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09:43 AM on 05/18/2012
"Li's psychiatrist says the 44-year-old has responded well to treatment and asked the review board earlier this week to let Li take trips into town."

will he be taking a bus into town?
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sedunning
11:14 AM on 05/18/2012
please let the psychiatrist ride next to him.
01:17 AM on 05/18/2012
This is sick. The government cannot protect us from him.
01:12 AM on 05/18/2012
As for as the victims mother goes. Yes it is understandable she is upset about this obviously. However, I doubt, they will be giving him medication during the 'walks'. Schizophrenia patients usually take their medication once a day, though times may vary, and it isn't a simple, one missed pill equals insanity. This situation is far more complicated than most seem to be willing to admit, or understand. The man had no idea, what was going on during the incident, and this has been proven. Time to accept it. Illnesses like this exist. Psychopaths run the world for gods sake.
01:02 AM on 05/18/2012
Canada has, and always should be a country dedicated to rehabilitating society's most vulnerable, not punishing them for self vindication. People need to understand. Men like Vince Lee, suffer from illness, and should be treated to accordingly.
01:41 PM on 05/18/2012
well for an illness soooooo bad it made him cut someones head off, I have a hard time believing he's already rehabilitated at this point, or any point in the near future.

Secondly, schizophrenia doesn't go away, it can only be treated and even then it's completely dependent upon the person taking the meds.

Anyway its not rehabilitation I'm against, its the "speed" in which these psychiatrists believe he has "changed". I think everyone here had valid concerns about the safety of Canadians, and why shouldn't they question this? It's a very real concern. I don't think ppl need to understand anything, he could hurt someone again, why is that not valid?
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Eileen Warren
12:58 AM on 05/18/2012
and if he does this again,they will say they made a mistake or that he was so much better and roll over and go back to sleep.
11:46 PM on 05/17/2012
And will the Review Board take responsibility when(not if ) this sadist goes on yet an other murderous rampage?
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01:37 PM on 05/18/2012
He is not a sadist. He has Schizophrenia. It can be treated. I get the outrage, his crime was disturbing and horrible and almost unimaginable... but medication has been proven to work.
11:41 PM on 05/17/2012
Come on people some of you seriously need to calm down, he is not being simply set free he is simply being allowed "short escorted trips into Selkirk." and will be "be escorted at all times by a staff member and a security officer." Some of you should maybe actually READ the article.
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Eileen Warren
12:47 AM on 05/18/2012
Hope you get to escort him.Do you know that people being escorted do sometimes get away from their escorts????Glad that you hae faith in him and the system that is letting him loose because eventually he will be free and unsupervised.
01:47 AM on 05/18/2012
What do you mean by " Hope you get to escort him" this guy is a mentally ill person with a mental illness which is now being TREATED drama queen, he is not some sort of evil criminal master mind he is simply a sick person that is it. His doctor who has examined him and has a little bit more credibilty on this issue then you in that he is a mental health proffesional says he is responding to treatment.
The chances of anything happening are slim to none.
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cinderelladressmaker
12:50 AM on 05/18/2012
Yes a lovely trip to the fine metropolis of Selkirk, something Tim McLean will never be able to do. Lets not forget Tim McLean, the fine innocent young man whose life was so disgustly taken from him and then had his body treated in an undignified (and most disgusting) way.
I understand the Criminal Code very well, but I don't have to agree with it!
This is an assault to Tims family. I personally don't care if the guy was a carrot when he did the crime, he still did it. Can anyone promise me or the community that he will faithfully take his proper meds for the rest of his life? No, I didn't think so!
01:53 AM on 05/18/2012
Yes the crime was horrible no one is arguing that, so what do you want? You want to treat this mentally ill person like an actual criminal just so it will make you feel better, is that what you think the justice system is all about? Our jails are already filled with mentally ill people look how well that is working out, ask anyone who has ever worked in one.
Further more he is not being released, so stop trying to fear monger.
11:09 PM on 05/17/2012
This is quite simply wrong. It is an affront to the victim himself, the family of the victim and to logic. There is no doubt whatsoever that this animal committed this unbelievably brutal act. Of course he is insane, anyone capable of such a deed would have to be. Releasing him is by definition insane as well,( expecting something different to happen when one does the same). If anyone else is harmed by this madman, those who released him must be held responsible.
11:44 PM on 05/17/2012
They are not letting him go free, they are allowing short escorted trips into Selkirk, did you actually read the article?
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cinderelladressmaker
02:19 AM on 05/18/2012
And by the way Mike, when you do your civil/moral duty to volunteer with people like Li, then we can have this conversation again. I have friends who do in fact work with the 'insane'. It surely isn't a piece of cake! Try it some time. I am asking you to get up and close to the situation instead of just making a flippant opinion.
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bub26
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09:52 AM on 05/18/2012
what's the point of having him take trips to town, mike?