Saskatoon Red Light District: City Considering Idea, But Councillor Darren Hill Says Not In His Riding

CP  |  By Posted: Updated: 05/21/2012 11:20 am

SASKATOON - If Saskatoon city council ends up approving a kind of red-light district zoned for adult services, Coun. Darren Hill says he doesn't want it to be in his Sutherland constituency.

The municipal planning commission has reviewed a proposal and has identified light industrial areas as a good place for a concentration of these services.

Hill says he doesn't have a problem with zoning for a red-light district, but feels Sutherland is too close to residential neighbourhoods.

Currently in Hill's ward, there is one massage parlour in a light industrial area and he said in five-and-a-half-years there hasn't been a complaint.

On the other hand, there are two in a commercial area that is a few blocks from a residential area and he has received numerous complaints on both of those locations.

He says there have been stories of prostitutes jumping into the passenger seat of a resident who is just trying to head to work in the morning, or men being solicited in their own driveways.

Hill suggests such a zone be created in the city's north end, far removed from any residential neighbourhoods.

(CKOM)

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ejais
11:44 PM on 05/21/2012
This is my hometown and I do know in the past they have had places for Adult Entertainment. The law is written in such a way that you can have strippers however you can not have alcohol on the premise and because of that it has made it very hard for this type of industry to survive. I find it amusing that next to The Saskatoon Business College years ago (which trains predominately female students) had issues with a peep show operating next door across from City Hall. Nothing was really ever said or done about the location.

Saskatoon became known for a book written about a notorious killer John Crawford. It really isnt known how many victims he had however what is known it has become fact that the prairies do possess an attitude of indifference and apathy towards native women as a whole. The lack of regard on the value of their lives is really stated in one of the more well known cases in Regina. "She deserved it. She was an indian." were words spoken from one of the accused killers Alex Turnowetsky and Steven Kummerfield after they killed Pamela George.

Here is a website that is fairly old however it kind of gives you an idea on the faces and names of ladies across Canada who have gone missing or murdered.As you can see some of the ages are as young as five and as old as grandmothers.

http://missingnativewomen.org/
Donna Meness
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09:20 AM on 05/21/2012
http://gvnet.com/humantrafficking/Canada.htm

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... serial killer Terry Driver, admitted he used prostitutes from the time he was 15, when he gave food to homeless children in exchange for sex. He also admitted that he used three women who were later found dead. [Holly Horwood, "Is Terry Driver a Serial Killer?" The Province, 17 October 1997)

Organized crime by motorcycle gangs, such as ‘Hell’s Angels,’ are involved in drug trafficking and prostitution. More than 50 people have been killed in Quebec over four years, in a turf war between the Hell's Angels and a rival gang called the Rock Machine ("Canada plans to take on biker gangs," United Press International, 23 April 1998)

A cocaine epidemic is closely linked with Yellowknife's prostitution and pornography trade. A group of girls were selling sex for cocaine. A man faces trial for trafficking cocaine as well as possessing about 1300 pornographic videos, including some with local women. Alcohol and drug use was linked to child sexual abuse and trauma. (..; Child sexual abuse called root of drug abuse in North," Canadian Press, 26 October 1997)
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Two missing Calgary girls, aged 15 and 16, recruited into prostitution by a sex trade ring on Vancouver's streets have been rescued and safely returned home. A key factor in solving the case was the use of the Deter and Identify Sex trade Consumers (DISC) computer system, developed by two Vancouver police officers.

http://www.catwinternational.org/factbook/Canada.php
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Kristopher Leang
training to take down the elite
02:35 PM on 05/21/2012
not sure you point at all?? did you jsut try and associate prostitutes with creating serial killers?? are you freaking serious? did you know Hitler may have been a vegetarian??? oh all vegetarians must be potential mass murderers. only makes sense. were u saying that illegal prostitution is dangerous because the criminal element is automatically guaranteed almost.

and so therefore legalized and controlled would be better, less dangerous and less harmful?? i agree
Donna Meness
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09:02 AM on 05/22/2012
Sethi identified trafficking triangles through which Aboriginal victims are moved: Saskatoon-Edmonton-Calgary-Saskatoon; Saskatoon-Regina-Winnipeg-Saskatoon.

"These triangles are linked and they're spread all across Canada," Sethi says in an interview from Ottawa. "One of the trafficked women who I spoke with said that you sleep in the night and you're in Montreal and in the morning you wake up and you're in Vancouver."

"I don't know if there are international linkages," she says. "Once you're in Vancouver, are you taken? Once you're in Toronto, are you taken to New York or do you go to Los Angeles? I don't know. It hasn't been explored."

CANADA - ABORIGINAL GIRLS & WOMEN VICTIMS OF

PROSTITUTION TRAFFICKING

http://winnipegsun.com/News/Canada/2008/09/29/pf-6915541.html

Winnipeg Sun

September 29, 2008

CANADA - YOUNG ABORIGINAL WOMEN USED AS A

SEX COMMODITY IN CITIES ACROSS CANADA
Donna Meness
www.findmaisyandshannon.com
08:33 AM on 05/21/2012
IN DEPTH: ABORIGINAL CANADIANS
Saskatchewan's justice reform commission
CBC News Online | July 02, 2004

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/aboriginals/saskreport.html
12:05 AM on 05/21/2012
The average prostitute has more claim to payment for her services than the average financier whose living is built on raping the poor of their money.

I have spent years in the company of Bay Street types. These people who drive around in fancy cars, couldn't be bothered giving alms to the poor. They would rather spend money on the latest luxury than given a penny to people who are not like them.

It is a fact that the average financier is rich, white, male, and conservative. They are the cause of much of the misery of people who are not white, male, and conservative. They are invariably horribly rude when they think they can be with impunity.

Instead of being concerned about where adult services should be located, we should be concerned where these rich types congregate. They should be far away from more decent human beings who care about others, and not exclusively about how much money they can take from others.
02:11 AM on 05/21/2012
Your comments come across as pretty racist.

"the average financier is rich, white, male, and conservative. They are the cause of much of the misery of people who are not white, male, and conservative"

Is that really necessary? Why does race, or even gender for that matter, make a person occupation more 'evil' than someone of a different race/gender?
07:56 AM on 05/21/2012
Just so the grammar cops don't point this out, I'll point it out myself: In the second paragraph of my message posted just minutes ago, the thirteenth word, "rich," was unintentional, and to follow the pattern of the paragraph in which it appears, its fourth, fifth, and sixth sentences should be as follows: "The average financier is white. True? Yes."

I also want to point out that race does matter. Race matters because whites are still in control of the financial world and they tend to amass common misconceptions on which they operate because they are white. There is an old boy's club that is overwhelming white, almost exclusively conservative, and generally hostile to people who are not like them. Why is this so difficult to see?

There are token women and minorities in the financial world, but if you look at corporate profiles, and especially profiles of banks, that have photographs in them, you will see that they are all made of white males. See for yourself. If I'm wrong, prove it.
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cityprole
old,sly, crafty,arty, leftie
10:25 PM on 05/20/2012
I'm guessing that Flaherty is pushing for this; he'll do anything to get people off EI.....
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piceaglauca
The picture says it all....
10:23 PM on 05/20/2012
Driving to Saskatoon would be like drivnig no where. As if this would ever happen. Do they have exotic dancers in Saskatoon? Where would they get their girls come from for the RLD, LaRonge, St. Saskatchewan?
05:30 PM on 05/20/2012
Excellent way to clean the streets and also toward a much safer method for those women to apply their trade.

I for one do not want my child to see such sights on the local streets, so this idea (not uncommon to other parts of the world), is a great idea to clean everything up.

Legalizing prostitution and marijuana, will make our streets safer and will help to save millions of dollars in policing, court services, and corrections. Good for you Saskatoon (I never thought it would happen in such a conservative province).
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Deir Yassin Survivor
03:34 AM on 05/20/2012
It makes more sense to drive this activity underground where there is not control and criminals benifit more than anyone else.
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All Seeing Guy
Center of the storm
03:10 PM on 05/20/2012
Swing to extremes much? Too hard for the clientèle to drive out to the industrial park?
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Blodo
Time to build a better world
10:07 PM on 05/19/2012
Sweden has had the best results in decreasing prostitution. They have done so through laws that target the johns with heavy penalties while ignoring the prostitutes. Don't criminalize the providers, but the consumers. A counterpoint is Denmark, which took the route of simply legalizing prostitution. The incidence of prostitution, gang involvement and human sex-trafficking have skyrocketed.
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08:18 PM on 05/19/2012
Prostitution...who gets the money? Women (and men?) are commodities to make someone rich. The result?

I need money.
I need sex.
I need someone to make me feel good.
I need attention.
I need...
I need...
I need...

You need a better self-concept.

Ontario has OLG (a commodity via greed) to make money
Saskatchewan is to have red-light districts (via a commodity) to make money?

People wake up! Your life is not about you. Your life is about those around you.
You want to see the government? ...take a look at those hooked on gambling.
You want to see a parent? ...take a look at his/her child
You want to see a child? ...take a look at his/her parent.
You want to see a teacher? ...take a look at the student.

You want to see Saskatoon? ....take a look at the leaders proposing a 'red-light' district.

Grow-up Canada
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Lou on Vancouver Island
Allin, Lou: Mystery Author
11:14 PM on 05/19/2012
You will never stop men from doing this. Not in 50,000 years. So make the best of it by making it safer for the women who choose this profession.
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RocketPower
06:05 PM on 05/20/2012
If you want to be an idealist, invent a woman robot that can replace a prostitute and then maybe it will never exist... or you can be smart and let them do their trade as safely as possible. Not everyone who sees a prostitute is necessarily a horrible person. They could be just lonely people looking for comfort.
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Liz Wilson 2
“a small group can change the world
08:03 PM on 05/19/2012
I suspect that the vote will be held right after the usual prayer breakfast. In many respects where it comes to Christian men and the protection of women these should be refered to as preyer breakfasts.
paintitblacker
shit happens life goes on
03:18 AM on 05/21/2012
it's beyond me why they don't legalise prostitution, after all they charge a hefty fee for an escort but try to work without an agency taking a cut ,and you end up getting charged. But at the same time the human toll is horrendous if you chose to work the streets ,no protection at all ( picton) and where were the police in all this . women deserve to be treated fairly ,and I for one feel its the responsibility of the government to legalise it . after all they expect everyone to pay taxes but some people have no other skills options education ,does not make them less of a person
03:42 PM on 05/19/2012
They don't allow strippers.... But prostitution is okay? What?
07:22 PM on 05/19/2012
Well, I guess as long as the prostitutes keep their clothes on?
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ejais
11:06 PM on 05/21/2012
Actually they do....they just cant serve alcohol where there is adult entertainment. In the past they have had places that had strippers however its a hard sell if there is no alcohol around.
Donna Meness
www.findmaisyandshannon.com
02:51 PM on 05/19/2012
Flesh trade targets natives: Young Aboriginal women used as a sex commodity in cities across Canada

On the street corners of Canada’s largest cities, thousands of women are bought and sold every night. Most of them, experts say, are aboriginal and an alarming number are trafficked.

“There’s a total myth that Aboriginal women either consent to or are born into the sex trade,” says Jo-Ann Daniels, interim executive director for the Metis Settlements General Council in Edmonton. “The average age of Aboriginal girls who are human trafficked is between seven and 12 years old.”

“It is Aboriginal girls and women who are specifically targeted in this country to be trafficked, in such huge numbers that it does not compare to any other population,” Daniels says. “We believe that it is the root source of Aboriginal women ever being involved in the sex trade.

We believe that Aboriginal women and Aboriginal girls have been domestically trafficked now for, I would say probably since the ’50s when there began to be Aboriginal movement into urban areas or there were more contacts between Aboriginal communities and towns.”

Aboriginal trafficking has been identified as a unique problem in government reports, non-governmental newsletters and at human trafficking conferences.

http://www.missingjustice.ca/2009/08/flesh-trade-targets-natives-young-aboriginal-women-used-as-a-sex-commodity-in-cities-across-canada/

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05:40 PM on 05/19/2012
Most aren't Aboriginal; Just look at the websites with the photos of them (not that I've ever looked) lol
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rotary
canucklehead
07:30 PM on 05/19/2012
Yet prostitutes themselves lobbied for legalization and creation of red light districts. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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Liz Wilson 2
“a small group can change the world
08:00 PM on 05/19/2012
there is no denying that some women are lobbying for legalized prostitution but that neither denies the reality that young aboriginal girls are forced into sex slavery nor does it mean that all older prostitutes are willing participants. Clearly, we are aware that many Asian and Eastern European women are trafficed all over the globe for the pleasure of men.
Donna Meness
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09:28 PM on 05/19/2012
The report noted accounts from several experts about poverty, abuse and poor living conditions driving Aboriginal women into trafficking.

“Basically their handlers start them in Vancouver,” Chantal Tie, a lawyer with the National Association of Women and The Law, told the committee.

“They work for them there for awhile, then they’re sold to someone in Winnipeg and then to someone in Toronto, and so on down the line as they get moved around the country.”

The RCMP’s National Aboriginal Policing Service wanted to examine the issue further, the report noted, but lacked the funding and human resources to do so.

http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2008/09/29/6916776-sun.html
Donna Meness
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02:48 PM on 05/19/2012
"A United Nations committee wants Canada to explain why law enforcement agencies have failed to deal with the disappearance and murder of Aboriginal women. The U-N Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination against Women has issued its concluding observations after reviewing Canada's work on a U-N convention to wipe out discrimination. Chairwoman Shelagh Day says Canada has one year to report on how it will boost social assistance rates and address the lack of progress on the files of missing and murdered women. The Committee is also urging Canada to hold an inquiry into the 511 missing or murdered Aboriginal women and to resolve problems with the law enforcement system."
Donna Meness
www.findmaisyandshannon.com
02:45 PM on 05/19/2012
While working in Indian Government in Ottawa from 1986-94 -I remember when
the World Council of Indigenous Peoples ( WCIP) organized conferences
worldwide to gather concerns to present to United Nations some of which
were:

1) melting icecaps & all that entails;

2) clearcutting of forests & the ensuing mining corporations = alcohol,
disease, porn, prostitution to the surrounding Indigenous peoples before
the development of hydro-electic dams & total destruction of the land &
dispora of the people;

3) the capture & release of Indigenous peoples for blood samples;

4) the return of artifacts & bones in museums or at the very minimum the
agreement to see "who " were in the drawers...

5) & the disappearance of Native women in the Americas.
(www.missingnativewomen.org)

Since I worked in Indian gov't I knew about the "Highway of Tears" in
northern B.C. where Aboriginal women have disappeared so far with no real
investigation by the RCMP. (www.highwayoftears.ca/missingbclist.htm)

Then again my dad informed me about Canada's "sextrade" in grade six as a
precaution against hitchhiking let alone getting "caught" by gangs of
Canadian guys "lookin' for some fun".
(http://www.ajic.mb.ca/volume.html...see Vol.2)