Bill 78: Polls Find Quebec Split About Emergency Law Aimed At Ending Student Protests

The Huffington Post Canada  |  By Posted: Updated: 05/22/2012 10:13 am

Bill 78 Polls Quebec
Only days after the Jean Charest government passed an emergency law, Bill 78, aimed at stopping the ongoing student protests in Quebec, it appears residents of the province are losing hope the impasse will be coming to an end any time soon.

Only days after the Jean Charest government passed an emergency law aimed at stopping the ongoing student protests in Quebec, it appears residents of the province are losing hope the impasse will be coming to an end any time soon.

Within hours of the passage of Bill 78, a poll by CROP for La Presse, a Montreal daily, found wide support for the government’s position. Fully 66 per cent of Quebecers were in favour of the emergency law and 68 per cent supported the government’s proposals on tuition hikes. Only 32 per cent supported the position of the student protesters.

Nevertheless, Quebecers were mixed on whether they thought the emergency law would have any effect. While 32 per cent felt it would help resolve the conflict, 36 per cent said it simply put a resolution off until later and 32 per cent thought it would make things worse.

Those respondents turned out to be the most prescient. Backed by celebrities and legal experts, opposition has crystallized against the legislation and students turned out over the weekend in defiance of the law. Ignoring a law passed by the City of Montreal, protesters also wore masks and some groups resorted to violence in response to the police.

CLASSE, the most radical of the major student groups, has pledged to continue the protests through the summer, at least until classes are scheduled to restart in August. And with the weekend’s turmoil, many Quebecers have become fatalistic, according to Jean-Marc Léger of Léger Marketing.

Their newest poll, conducted over the long weekend, shows that opinion is split over the emergency law. Only 47 per cent agree with it now, while another 47 per cent are against it.

The province itself is divided over the issue, with richer and older Quebecers supporting the government and poorer and younger residents siding with students. Anglophones are firmly behind Jean Charest, while francophones are more likely to sympathize with protesters. This demographic divide was also found in a Forum poll conducted on Thursday, which concluded that francophones were split down the middle while anglophones were with the government by a margin of almost two to one.

Though Quebecers are still in general agreement with the emergency law’s requirements, they simply do not believe it will work. More than three out of four Quebecers think the government needs to restart negotiations with the student associations, while 73 per cent do not think that social peace will be restored because of Bill 78. Only 12 per cent think it will.

Against the obstinacy of the student protesters, Quebecers may have lost faith that the government will be able to legislate itself out of this hole. Though most Quebecers agree with Jean Charest’s position on tuition fees, they simply want the strikes to come to an end. After 100 days of gridlock, more and more people in the province have come to the conclusion that it won’t be the students who blink first.

Éric Grenier taps The Pulse of federal and regional politics for Huffington Post Canada readers on most Tuesdays and Fridays. Grenier is the author of ThreeHundredEight.com, covering Canadian politics, polls, and electoral projections.

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02:37 AM on 05/23/2012
I wish the students all success. They are at the vanguard of what our society should be doing They are protesting the loss of our democratic freedom. This is vital and I hope there is a swell of support to show that Canadians will no longer accept the police control and brutality so many accepted as the norm at the G-20.

We should not be arguing about tuition. Education should be free. An educated work force is the most valuable resource a country can have -- more important even than natural resources. We are going to need that educated workforce as the powers-that-be are ensuring our natural resources are raped in one generation and that the benefits go to rich foreigners. We should be developing these resources like Norway. They established a fund into which some of the profits must be placed so future generations will benefit. They also demanded a responsible approach to the development of their North Sea oil.

Instead, we are charging our students for an education -- and giving hundreds of millions of dollars to big oil companies in hidden subsidies.

Please explain to me how this approach can be considered intelligent?
07:24 AM on 05/23/2012
I'm surprised the myopic authoritarian conservative-trolls haven't flooded this story yet.
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1846
Deir Yassin Survivor
04:44 PM on 05/24/2012
The highest University tuition in Canada is $6,000.00 a year, average tuition in the USA is $60,000.00, in some instances as high as 200k.
Quebec has a tuition average of $3,000.00 after the currently planned increase. Why should tax payers accept more costs for these privileged few? I do not think that is a situation that can be criticized since Canada has one of the top educational systems in the world.
09:17 PM on 05/22/2012
I'm for the tuition hike, but I'm agianst bill 78.
It was overkill and it'll probally cost Charest his carreer.
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1846
Deir Yassin Survivor
08:10 PM on 05/22/2012
Charest has my support and the support of everyone I talk to.
Canada and Quebec voters want tax revenue managed responsibly and do not support more handouts to the privileged few who attend university.
If students want a good education they need to be prepared to contribute the 10% user fee that tuition presently represents.
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bbertaud
Je ne regrette rien, rien de rien
05:48 PM on 05/22/2012
They are against Bill 78....that means they are not bothered by shattered windows, attempts of looting, and sabotage to the Metro ... the bill is a consequence not a cause
06:21 PM on 05/22/2012
Nobody here has condoned violence except the anti-protesters. Do you know what the bill means to your civil rights?

Or are you a sheep?
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bbertaud
Je ne regrette rien, rien de rien
06:53 PM on 05/22/2012
I would be a sheep if I were following the CLASSE leaders, without thinking what the protests and the vandalism means for the already depressed economy of Montreal, or the public safety of thousands of people who use the Metro everyday, or the shop owners...in the very beginning I had a minimum of sympathy for the students, after I realized that the whole thing was being fueled by the PQ/QS, Les Jeunes Patriotes, all those goons and that the student leaders remained silent (along with Pauline Marois) about the violence I lost any sympathy or respect I might have had for them.
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Martin Houde
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09:04 PM on 05/22/2012
Bill 78 is not aimed at shatterers, looters and saboters. Nothing in the law aims at them, and those actions were already illegal.

It is aimed at the right to protest. A fundamental right in a democracy.
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foogie
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10:38 PM on 05/22/2012
Exactly! It frightens me how many people don't see that.
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okgranny
Egalitarian by birth
05:43 PM on 05/22/2012
10 Points Everyone Should Know About the Quebec Student Movement:

1) The issue is debt, not tuition
2) Striking students in Quebec are setting an example for youth across the continent.
3) The student strike was organized through democratic means and with democratic aims.
4) This is not an exclusively Quebecois phenomnon.
5) Government officials and the media have been openly calling for violence and "fascist" tactics to be used against the students.
6) excessive state violence has been used against the students.
7) The government supports organized crime and opposes organized students
8) Canada's elites punish the people and oppose the students
9) The student srike is being subjected to a massive and highly successful propaganda campaign to discredit, dismiss, and demonize the students.
10) The student movement is part of a much larger emerging global movement of resistance
against austerity, neoliberalism, and corrupt power.
07:05 PM on 05/22/2012
1. If your degree will not allow you to clear your student loan... maybe they need to pick a different field of study.
2. What? If someone says no... Throw a big enough tantrum and you might win.
3. From what I gathered, the strike were declared over a show of hand... not by a ballot.

5. The students (or rioter) are the ones that escalated the level of violence
6. Seeing how they used Molotov cocktail against the police... I think the students are getting off easy.
7. Agree, there are some major problem within the government/bureaucracy that needs to be dealt with... Maybe that's why the Liberal want to create a provincial gun registry. They are afraid Quebecers will party like it's 1837...
8. What elite?
9. I think the are doing a god job at letting the students do the dirty work... in softening up the gov. ahead if 'their' fall negotiations.
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okgranny
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07:29 PM on 05/22/2012
"discredit, dismiss and demonize the students"
07:24 PM on 05/22/2012
Time to drown out the propaganda, spin and lies. Information warfare is being used against us, but we are smarter than that.
08:12 PM on 05/22/2012
Are you saying there is no truth to any of the charges that some protesters engaged in violent behaviour?
05:22 PM on 05/22/2012
I guess starting life off with a 40-50k debt and low job prospects means nothing to Canadian students outside of Quebec.
05:32 PM on 05/22/2012
It means they are not very bright or astute in a business sense
07:07 PM on 05/22/2012
I was going to make a joke about the protesting students all coming from "certain" degree with no possible job opening...

But some people might get upset.
05:16 PM on 05/22/2012
NY and Paris are holding protests in support of the Montreal uprisings. Meanwhile, the sheep in Ontario continue to sleep.
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All Seeing Guy
Center of the storm
05:19 PM on 05/22/2012
"Meanwhile, the sheep in Ontario continue to sleep."

Actually they're at work. Bills to pay.
05:25 PM on 05/22/2012
That's right- good little soldiers

work pay your bills - don't follow current events , don't mind the constitution or Charter - we'll let you know when it is too late or rather - one day you will wake and realize your freedom disappeared
06:29 PM on 05/22/2012
I believe my fellow Canadians in Ontario will come on board. Eventually, everyone will realize that student debt is the next sub prime financial crisis. We face it now or will be bailing out huge amounts of unpaid loans and crushing thousands of educated citizens with bankrupt status.
05:15 PM on 05/22/2012
For those of you paying thousands more in tuition than Quebecers:

Why are you not moving to Quebec - becoming a resident and getting a cheaper education plus gain some extra cultural experience?

Once you graduate are you not willing to move where the work is?

Why not move to where the lowest cost -_ but high quality education is?

That seems like a really bad non-decision on your part. Is it laziness or just ignorant prejudice?

Are you just afraid to leave home?
05:36 PM on 05/22/2012
So your strategy is to insult everyone into supporting the students?
06:17 PM on 05/22/2012
you are in control of your emotions - if you feel insulted then you must search within to discover why you are having these feelings

I posed questions - you took them as insults

I did not ask - Why are you lazy? I asked - Are you lazy?
05:46 PM on 05/22/2012
Perhaps because they aren't interested in the elitist, leftist, entitled, culture of this province and would rather pay more to stay closer to where their friends and family are?
06:18 PM on 05/22/2012
as I said ignorant and prejudice - you just answered one of my questions

thanks for responding to this survey
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Mr e MaN
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06:19 PM on 05/22/2012
If other universities are like SFU they are made up of predominately foreign or foreign born students that are less strident and more passive.
05:07 PM on 05/22/2012
why is the response "well I had to - so they have to also" considered to be a logical response?

It comes out of the mouths of immature children at a very early age and for some stays with them for life
02:43 AM on 05/23/2012
So true...
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Opus Fideo
Atheist. Social Democrat. Canadian.
04:36 PM on 05/22/2012
Think about this: 38% of people polled support the student protest.

But only 21% of the population of the province holds a university degree.

No wonder 62% of people don't support the students, they are uneducated and have no idea what a university education even is.
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TonyOnly
Truth matters.
04:45 PM on 05/22/2012
Since you're among 79% that don't have a university degree, what gives you the right to criticize the other members of your demographic?
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Opus Fideo
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08:01 PM on 05/22/2012
Where in my comment did you get the idea that I don't have a university degree? I actually have 2.
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All Seeing Guy
Center of the storm
04:53 PM on 05/22/2012
Unwashed heathens! They should be banned from voting!!
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Opus Fideo
Atheist. Social Democrat. Canadian.
08:02 PM on 05/22/2012
while you're at it, why not revoke their citizenship and shoot them off into space on a no-return mission to alpha centauri?
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TonyOnly
Truth matters.
03:57 PM on 05/22/2012
Well known for being the closest thing in Montreal to Fox News, local radio station CJAD tries to manipulate public opinion by continuously criticizing the Charest government.

But nobody at CJAD seems to have a suggestion for a resolution to the situation.
It seems they feel their contribution doesn't need to go beyond criticism.
04:33 PM on 05/22/2012
I am sorry but I don't believe a right wing radio station would side with the students.

Are you sure this station is the Quebec version of FOX - an ultra right wing beacon for the lazy and weak minded?
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TonyOnly
Truth matters.
04:49 PM on 05/22/2012
I didn't say they were siding with the students. They're a conservative mouthpiece.
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1846
Deir Yassin Survivor
03:53 PM on 05/22/2012
CLASSE should be held accountable for damage and violence.
Student leaders show no genuine intention to find a solution.
Bill 78 is in place to limit the damage being done, not to stop peaceful assembly.

It seems to me the Quebec Government is doing a good job so far considering the number of anarchists injecting themselves into the problem.
04:13 PM on 05/22/2012
Actually, I think Bill 78 goes too far. It's not surprising, mind you; it's a reactionary Bill. But ultimately, it's just fanning the flames rather than tamping them down.
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1846
Deir Yassin Survivor
04:35 PM on 05/22/2012
Yes I think when you look at the bill in its entirety that there are parts that might be over done.
However I see it as government supporting law enforcement with some clear guidlines and since everyone gets a copy the protesters now also know the rules.
If it reduces property damage while allowing protesters to campaign I guess it serves its purpose.
Certainly now the more reactive people point at 78 as a reason to protest and this is problematic since the bill should be a side show to the tuition issue.
Since it is not then I believe the tuition issue is no longer what this is about and if I am correct the current unrest cannot be solved and Montreal is in for a showdown with people instigating riots for reasons concerning their personal agendas.
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Opus Fideo
Atheist. Social Democrat. Canadian.
04:37 PM on 05/22/2012
why blame CLASSE for the actions of a handful of SEPARATISTS and ANARCHISTS who are actually the ones doing the damage?
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baizhongtang
Gods do not need middle managers.
05:55 PM on 05/22/2012
So that means you have a list of every person that has attended every protest, a list that includes the political leanings of those participants? Did you then use that list to extract and compile data using proper methodology, the result of which allows you to express your opinion with reasonable certainty?

If so, I'm sure the SPVM and SQ would love to get your data...

If not, maybe you shouldn't be running you mouth and bringing the constitutional issue into this, and using words like "anarchist", which clearly you don't understand?

See, I can ask questions too....
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08:40 PM on 05/22/2012
true.
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valar84
03:36 PM on 05/22/2012
To those comparing with the US, the recent hike is of the same size as the hikes in the US are. Yeah, Québec is starting from a lower level, but such high hikes would quickly make Québec fall down to the same level as other Canadian provinces, and maybe even to US levels in a decade or two.

Being complacent about such hikes is how tuition got so high in the US. Students mustn't wait to have 10 000$ in tuition before opposing such hikes, because by then it will be too late.

I have a big problem with the trivialization of student debts. Most Québec students already end up in debt, because, guess what, turns out they still have to eat and live somewhere while studying, and they can't work full-time.

Ending university with tens of thousands of dollars in debt shouldn't be "normal", especially since new graduates face a very unsure economic future where they may not get good jobs anymore. This is the folly of reality. Back in the 60s and 70s, tuition was really low and job opportunities were great, so students could have taken much more debt than they did. Now that opportunities are drying up, people are arguing for shoving ever more debt on the shoulders of the young... in the meanwhile, they are cutting business taxes and building public infrastructure just to benefit big corporations (like the Plan Nord).
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valar84
03:41 PM on 05/22/2012
Furthermore, why is it so important to squeeze poor students for a couple of hundred million dollars a year when we are basically paying BILLIONS in tax money to the rich and to the big banks every years through our taxes. I'm talking of the interests we pay on the public debt. We could do what we used to do back in the 40s, 50s and 60s and borrow directly from the Bank of Canada at 0% interest... we could repay the debt completely in 15-20 years.

But attacking a policy that leads to taxpayers paying billions straight to the 1% isn't important... burdening students with more and more debts to save a couple of hundred of millions on the other hand is of the UTMOST importance!
04:07 PM on 05/22/2012
Debt is still debt no matter the interest rate. If you borrow to buy a house with a 6 car garage and then proceed to borrow in order to fill the garage...you are still beholden to the lender.

Please enlighten me and tell me at what number does 1% start so that I know whether I'm part of the 1% or not.
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TonyOnly
Truth matters.
04:22 PM on 05/22/2012
You're joking, right? The US system is a totally private system. Tuition at a top tier US college or university can run you up $40,000.a year. Easily.

Quebec has the cheapest post secondary education in North America, outside of Mexico. It enables many to graduate debt free. In the US that's unheard of unless you're on a scholarship.

If Quebec is too much for you, there's something wrong with your priorities.
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TonyOnly
Truth matters.
04:38 PM on 05/22/2012
You need to be smart about your choices. A BA isn't going to help much with getting a high paying job.

If you can't understand the importance of investing in your own future, it's unlikely you'll have the commitment to succeed in life.
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baizhongtang
Gods do not need middle managers.
06:06 PM on 05/22/2012
This sounds like something out of "rich dad, poor dad"....

Any more pearls of wisdom? Maybe something about every citizen having equal chances of becoming rich and successful? Or maybe something about how businessmen deserve to be rich because they are the ones "taking risks"?
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08:51 PM on 05/22/2012
no, BA is not going to bring you "high" pay, but students still need a job to pay back
what they borrowed, all the promise from universities about jobs is just a big lie.
And now people over 60-65 are not retiring, Ontario is in a big pickle, six universities.!
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lb65423541
03:31 PM on 05/22/2012
If you have something to say, then stand up and show your face!
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All Seeing Guy
Center of the storm
03:45 PM on 05/22/2012
Some older fellow apparently tried to. The protesters smashed his windows.
03:49 PM on 05/22/2012
The tolerance of the left?
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Opus Fideo
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04:40 PM on 05/22/2012
you mean the older fellows that were pictured being beaten by police?
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robertmiller252
02:16 PM on 05/22/2012
College and University students in the USA are leaving school with degrees, $250,000 in debt and about a 50% chance of getting a job. And the students in Quebec are rioting because they are being asked to pay a few thousand a year. Something wrong here.

But don't worry, Mr. Mulcair and the NDP support you.
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02:36 PM on 05/22/2012
The US is a craphole. For example, just because their healthcare system does not work at all does not mean we can sit on our arses and pretend that our system is perfectly fine. Similarly, just because American tuition is disgusting does not mean we have to accept Charest's actions.
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03:36 PM on 05/22/2012
They were just recognized for having the best university education system in teh world in a study performed by the University of Melbourne. Followed by Sweden, Canada, Finland and I think Norway.
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baizhongtang
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06:07 PM on 05/22/2012
Exactly. I see you have a brain and actually use it....
02:48 PM on 05/22/2012
The situation in the USA is our future if we don't oppose the things that got them to that point, and are happening to us now.