CALGARY - A quick meeting between the premiers of Alberta and British Columbia ended Monday with neither woman willing to budge on how they think the risks and benefits of West Coast-bound oil pipelines ought to be divvied up.
"I would say it was frosty," was how B.C.'s Christy Clark described the 20-minute conversation with her Alberta counterpart, Alison Redford in Calgary.
"I wouldn't say we made a whole lot of progress on it."
Clark said she wanted to reiterate the five conditions under which her government would allow oil pipelines — Enbridge Inc.'s Northern Gateway project and the expansion to Kinder Morgan's Trans Mountain line — to deliver crude from Alberta to the West Coast for export to Asia.
The three most important conditions, Clark said, have to do with the environment. The review process must be successfully completed, there must be "world leading" marine spill prevention and response and top-notch land oil-spill prevention, response and recovery.
B.C. also wants the projects to meet aboriginal treaty rights.
The most contentious condition so far has been B.C.'s demand to receive a share of fiscal and economic benefits from the pipeline to reflect the risk it would face.
Alberta Premier Alison Redford, who spoke to reporters shortly after Clark did, said she has no problem with Clark's views on how environmental and First Nations issues ought to be handled.
It's the fifth one — the question of economic benefit — that sticks out.
"I'm an Albertan and when you talk about sharing Alberta's royalties with other jurisdictions, things tend to get a little bit frosty," she said.
"Royalties cannot be on the table. Revenue that is coming to Albertans, whether it's royalty revenue or tax revenue, cannot be on the table."
Clark says Redford seems "very focused on the fifth condition" and that the pipelines absolutely will not be allowed if the environmental conditions aren't met.
"There's a reason it's the fifth condition because it's actually the least important of them."
Clark has not specified how she sees economic benefits flowing from Alberta to B.C., but that it won't necessarily be a slice of the royalties.
But Redford said Clark didn't take royalties off the table, and that's a problem.
"You can certainly understand that as an Albertan, as the premier of Alberta, that's a non-starter for us," Redford said.
Northern Gateway, proposed by Enbridge Inc. (TSX:ENB), would ship some 550,000 barrels of bitumen per day from Alberta to the west coast port of Kitimat for shipment by tanker to world markets. A regulatory panel is currently weighing the $6-billion proposal.
Trans Mountain, a $4.1-billion proposal by Kinder Morgan, would expand an existing pipeline from Alberta to the Vancouver area. It's expected to increase tanker traffic in Vancouver's Burrard Inlet.
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Leanne Chahley, lawyer for the Alta. Federation of Labour
(Sept. 4) - Leanne Chahley, a lawyer for the Alberta Federation of Labour, questioned the estimated economic gains. "It's still a social science that you're involved in, economics. How much degree of certainty should we give it?"
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Economist Robert Mansell, U Of C School Of Public Policy
(Sept. 5) - <strong>On the chance that the proposed Nothern Gateway pipeline would have a negative effect on central Canada's manufacturing sector</strong>: "It is not credible that one could argue this would cause Dutch disease." "Would it do, as has been alleged -- cause the rate of inflation to go up and then force the monetary authorities to tighten the money supply and thereby shrink the economy? The answer is no. "Monetary policy is based on what's called the Core Inflation Rate, which excludes the price of food and energy."
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Richard Johnston, UBC Political Scientist
Sept. 5 - <strong>On the chance the federtal Tories could lose ground in B.C. due to unfriendly policies such as support of pipelines to the west coast:</strong> "Among the risks to their base, I would put Northern Gateway highest," Johnston said. "The risk/benefit ratio (for B.C.) is massively unfavourable in itself and if the government were to force the issue pre-emptively, they would add an additional dimension to the debate, singling out one province for ill-treatment, rather like the NEP and Alberta. I expect Conservative MPs are worrying about this aloud."
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Janet Holder, Enbridge senior executive
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Geoff Plant, B.C.'s head lawyer for the hearings
(Sept. 7) - "The question [is] whether Enbridge is actually capable of getting the kind of insurance to ensure against the risk of liability," on whether the insurance is there should an oil spill happen.
Barry Robinson, lawyer for three environmental organizations
(Sept. 8) - "If free market economies aren't at play, where's the economic benefit?" asked Robinson about the economic effects of the hypothetical possibility of Chinese interests buying control of the Northern Gateway pipeline.
Kelowna resident James MacGregor
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(Sept. 17) - In the worry that in the event of a spill, Enbridge won't have tge insurance to cover the clean-up costs: "Enbridge and Northern Gateway are very aware of that concern now, so we'll look to their response. But we've made it clear that taxpayers will not be left on the hook," Lake said. "I think that the company would argue they have the resources necessary. What British Columbians want to see is an ironclad guarantee that they do have the resources necessary, that the structure and the insurance in place will protect British Columbians from the cost of any adverse event," he added.