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Will the Palestinians Accept Their Own State?

Posted: 09/19/2011 12:59 am

World leaders are bracing themselves this week for a storm at the United Nations to be unleashed by the Palestinian Authority in its demand for a Palestinian state.

Visiting with community leaders in Toronto, Israeli Minister of Foreign Affairs and Deputy Prime Minister, Avigdor Lieberman stressed that Western nations need to understand that Israel is on the front lines defending Western democracy. "Our security problem is your security problem... if you want to survive, you must support us. The Jewish state is fighting for the entire western world" Lieberman said.

Surrounded by hostile Arab countries, Israel is indeed on the front lines of the fight to preserve fundamental Western values of democracy, freedom and human rights. Even with the Arab Spring now taking hold in parts of the Middle East, there are few emerging signs that rights and freedoms are taking hold -- particularly as they relate to women and homosexuals.

Some hoped the Arab Spring would liberate the Muslim world from its incessant hatred of Israel and true peace would take hold in the Middle East. But the situation looks grim especially after the last couple of weeks that saw a diplomatic tussle -- Turkey expelled the Israeli ambassador; the Israeli embassy in Cairo was torched and its diplomats airlifted home; and as a 'precautionary measure,' Israel recalled its ambassador to Jordan.

The Palestinian's ultimate vision, said Lieberman is to "destroy the Jewish state of Israel." The Palestinians have given Israel little reason to think otherwise. Surely, if they wanted a peaceful resolution comprised of a two-state solution they would embrace Israel rather than unapologetically refuse to recognize Israel as a Jewish state.

The Palestinians, Lieberman said, have rebuffed every offer given to them for an independent state, including the Camp David Summit in 2000 (where over 91 per cent of the West Bank and 100 per cent of Gaza was offered to Arafat) and recently, a more extensive offer by the Olmert/Livni government was rejected by current Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas. Even Ariel Sharon tried a different approach in 2005 by painfully vacating Gaza and uprooting Israeli towns to help the Palestinians see their dream of a state.

Like many Israelis, Lieberman believes that everything has been tried and that Israel must "change its concept entirely." What that concept might be will depend on what happens at the UN this week.

But it is unclear what the Palestinians will gain. They have already refused every overture made to them for a Palestinian state, including the 1947 UN partition plan for a Jewish and a Palestinian state. Ironically, unable to take Israel by force, they are running back to the same world body they rejected 64 years ago.

What is clear however is that they still want the whole enchilada. Maybe one day they will learn what every three-year-old already knows -- how to share.

 

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World leaders are bracing themselves this week for a storm at the United Nations to be unleashed by the Palestinian Authority in its demand for a Palestinian state. Visiting with community leaders ...
World leaders are bracing themselves this week for a storm at the United Nations to be unleashed by the Palestinian Authority in its demand for a Palestinian state. Visiting with community leaders ...
 
 
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Thelonius
Lived in Middle East for
12:08 PM on 09/20/2011
Reality:
Peace initiatives Israel has rebuffed include: U.S. Secretary of State William Rogers’ The Rogers Plan (1969); The Scranton Mission on behalf of President Nixon (1970); Egyptian President Sadat’s land for peace and mutual recognition proposal (1971); U.S. President Jimmy Carter’s call for a Geneva international conference (1977); Saudi Arabian King Fahd’s peace offer (1981); U.S. President Ronald Reagan’s Reagan Plan (1982); U.S. Secretary of State George Shultz’s Schultz Plan (1988); U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s Baker Plan (1989); the 1993 Oslo accords signed by Yasser Arafat and Yitzhak Rabin that unravelled following the latter’s assassination and subsequent return to power of the Likud party from 1996-1999 under Benjamin Netanyahu; continuation of the Taba II negotiations (2001); the 2002 Arab League’s Beirut Summit Peace Initiative (which offers Israel recognition as a sovereign state, exchange of ambassadors, trade, tourism, etc., if Israel complies with international law and its previous commitments) and the unofficial Geneva Peace Initiative of November/December 2003.
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BcemXAHA
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01:20 PM on 09/20/2011
Were you going to supply the link from where you pilfered it from?

http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/the-media-and-the-middle-east/
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warmonkey
05:02 PM on 09/20/2011
Thanx Grl, I wanted that link. Awesome
Thelonius
Lived in Middle East for
12:03 PM on 09/20/2011
Reality:
Nahum Goldman, former president of the World Jewish Congress: "Israel has never presented the Arabs with a single peace plan. She has rejected every settlement plan devised by her friends and by her enemies. She has seemingly no other object than to preserve the status quo while adding territory piece by piece."

Professor Avi Shlaim, renowned Israeli historian, as summarized by Ha'aretz (11 August 2005) in its review of his highly acclaimed book The Iron Wall (2000): “...based on facts, he surveys the history of Israel's contacts with the Arab world from 1948 and states decisively ('The job of the historian is to judge,' he says) that the Israeli story that Israel has always stretched out its hand to peace, but there was nobody to talk to - is groundless. The Arabs have repeatedly outstretched a hand to peace - says Shlaim – and Israel has always rejected it. Each time with a different excuse."

Re the 2000 Camp David Summit: Suffice to quote Shlomo Ben-Ami, then Israel’s foreign minister and lead negotiator at Camp David: "Camp David was not the missed opportunity for the Palestinians, and if I were a Palestinian I would have rejected Camp David, as well." (National Public Radio, 14 February 2006.)
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Trollstein
Once you go Schwartz, you never go back baby
05:42 AM on 09/20/2011
I agree with much of the article except for one very critical distinction.
The Pal/Arab people have been rendered pawns and really did not:
" . . . refused every overture made to them for a Palestinian state, including the 1947 UN partition plan for a Jewish and a Palestinian state."
Given the Artab's 1.400 year old power structure, this war has always been between the regional Arab leaders and potentates versus the people of Israel. The appearance is confusing because the Pal/Arab people have obviouely paid the brunt of the price for the mistakes of their leaders and such a situation is just difficult to process.
12:02 AM on 09/20/2011
"Deputy Prime Minister, Avigdor Lieberman stressed that Western nations need to understand that Israel is on the front lines defending Western democracy. "Our security problem is your security problem... if you want to survive, you must support us. The Jewish state is fighting for the entire western world" Lieberman said. "

Funny, Gadahffi, Mubarek, and Assad said much the same thing.

Gadahffi said Al qeada was putting mind altering drugs into the nes cafe of the young people. Now, Lieberman is saying that Israel is fighting a battle on the front of democracy and that they are doing it for us (the US?)

Apparently, The best way to defend democracy and western values is to run the worlds only violently enforced, state sanctioned, colonial settler movement, in uhhh,...... the name of Democracy and western values?

OH NOOOOO!!!!!! Al queda is putting mind altering drugs into the Nes Cafe of Avigdor Lieberman!!!
06:40 PM on 09/19/2011
Great article. Anybody who pays attention remotely knows that in their history, the entirety of palestinian political action has been killing civilians and whining about the consequences. We've never seen any sort of compromise whatsoever, and they have turned down any deal that doesn't end with the complete removal of the jewish presence from the land. They could have had their own state half a dozen times by now, mostly on borders far larger than they will get today.

But killing children and whining about a mostly benign occupation is a lot easier than running a country.
08:41 PM on 09/19/2011
Benign occupation?! There is no such thing !

And a hundred Palestinian children have been killed by the IDF for each Israeli child killed by suicide bombers or rockets from Gaza.

One-sided views like yours are the cause of the continuing death-toll on both sides. Pray that your eyes be opened.
09:24 PM on 09/19/2011
Those deaths are due to military operations against militant groups. Nothing to do with the occupation per se.

95% of the palestinians in the west bank are under palestinian administrative control. You can protest all you want with absolutely no fear of being harmed, as thousands of westerners and palestinians do every day. It is the epitome of a benign occupation.
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AJ Raalte
Israel forever - warts and all.
03:58 AM on 09/20/2011
"""Benign occupation­?! There is no such thing !"""

Sure, there is, or rather was! Before the First Intifada, Arabs from Judea, Samaria and Gaza had the freedom of all Israel, got jobs all over the place and made a pretty good living.
Thelonius
Lived in Middle East for
12:15 PM on 09/20/2011
Obviously, you don't even "remotely" know your history. I suggest you do some elementary research using fully documented sources writted by accredited, respected and internationally recognized unbiased historians. You're due for a rude awakening.
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BcemXAHA
אני כלום בלעדיהם
01:24 PM on 09/20/2011
Right, anyone that doesn't hold your inane worldview doesn't know history. Perhaps it's time to hit the books and stop pilfering stuff from the net and presenting them as your writings!
07:45 PM on 09/20/2011
I have. The only "historians" who agree with you, edward said, illan pappe and the like, have explicitly stated that their works are biased and not objective. They said this about themselves. Yet you still believe them, because of your intense jew/israeli hatred.
04:46 PM on 09/19/2011
Lieberman said. "... The Jewish state is fighting for the entire western world". I think there is a superfluous 'for' in that statement!
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AJ Raalte
Israel forever - warts and all.
05:12 PM on 09/19/2011
No there isn't.

As the Arab saying goes: "First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people."

If Israel - God forbid! - should fall, Europe is next and then the America's.
05:52 PM on 09/19/2011
I sincerely hope that Israel remains standing till the end of time and I hope it will do so with a Palestinian state as its equal neighbor.

But pray tell me what tedious connection links the Palestinian state to the fall of Israel and subsequently the rest of the western world? Will the formation of the Palestinian state suddenly and mysteriously swallow Israel? Of course, this is not about security. It is about denying legitimacy to a quasi-nation that has been providing land and resources for Israel's illegitimate settlements.
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07:43 PM on 09/19/2011
As soon as the few million Palestinians form country on a sliver of what was historical Palestine, they will immediately mobilize about 200 divisions of soldiers armed with the latest modern weapons and overwhelm Israel. Then they will embark in their modern navy sail to Europe conquer it before turning to America. LOL!
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BrianPK80
Wisdom is having more questions than answers.
04:30 PM on 09/19/2011
So if the U.N. seized Ontario and made it an Arab nation, Canadians would be expected to "smile and share" when offered to split it in half 60 years later. Hmmm...
05:10 PM on 09/19/2011
You're ignoring the elephant in the room. Israel is defending "the entire western world," which implies that some cultures are inherently more valuable than others.
As the Canadian author implies, Canada is one of the superior cultures, or 'western' cultures, so to imply a non-western culture could do the same thing would upset his apple cart toot sweet.
06:46 PM on 09/19/2011
Arabs do not have roots, history and linguistic ties to Canada. Hmmmmmm!! But, I would be careful if I were you, Arabs have invaded everywhere, and they just might try to force it on Canadians. Or, at least their Sharia Law.
08:11 PM on 09/19/2011
Arabs have been in Canada longer than Israel has been around
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Aesops
Appearances often are deceiving
01:38 AM on 09/20/2011
I'll take any kind of "Law" over the industrial scale slaughter of civilians for which Israel is responsible. All that Israel has to peddle is fear. Not reason, not truth. You have become all that you have tried to escape, a xenophobic country with a sociopathic government.
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BcemXAHA
אני כלום בלעדיהם
02:21 PM on 09/19/2011
For the past year, I've been told, again and again, by the very same people who show support for Abbas today, that Abbas is a sell out, and is not a legal representative of the palestinians as his term expired. I always preferred Abbas to hamas myself, thinking that he's the moderate,rational, or the more rational party I should say.

He hasn't set foot in Gaza since 2007 (maybe 08). Yet he represents ALL the palestinians in the UN (Where is the outrage that he's a sell out, where are the shouts that he doesn't represent the palestinians and that only hamas does as they were elected democratically). It's like Mayor Bloomberg, who has not been able to, or refuses to go to Brooklyn!!!!

Someone please, explain this little conundrum to me.

Thank you kindly!
05:55 PM on 09/19/2011
So you are saying that world community should deal with the 'democratically-elected' hamas government and not the 'friendly, moderate and unelected' Abbas?
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BcemXAHA
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06:04 PM on 09/19/2011
That's what you got from my post?!?!
jimbo57
ni dieu ni maitre
06:22 PM on 09/19/2011
Perhaps the Palestinians should tell Netanyahu to take a hike and open direct negotiations with the Labor Party? Or Ma'ariv?
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BcemXAHA
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02:16 PM on 09/19/2011
Ironically, unable to take Israel by force, they are running back to the same world body they rejected 64 years ago.*

I often think about this myself.

Thank you for a great article.
05:40 PM on 09/19/2011
Why would anyone agree to letting the terrorists who caused you to flee and took over your land settle for letting the terrorists have the land? The Zionists had no right to take land which belonged to somebody else because other people were making there lives difficult. There was no Adam or Eve or Noah. Ancient history is ancient history.
jimbo57
ni dieu ni maitre
06:24 PM on 09/19/2011
Personally, I'm waiting for the day the Welsh exercise their perfectly just and legitimate claim to England.
03:34 AM on 09/20/2011
Which is why the demand that Palestinians validate Israel's "right to exist" is preposterous, asking the victim to approve the crime.
Thelonius
Lived in Middle East for
12:22 PM on 09/20/2011
Once again, you demonstrate an appalling and unforgivable ignorance of the subject. Do some basic research. Then again, it is readily apparent that you have no interest in seeking the truth.
No matter. With each passing day, you and your ilk are becoming increasingly irrelevant.
01:26 PM on 09/19/2011
PART II

Mr. Benlolo writes: “‘The Palestinian's ultimate vision, said Lieberman is to "destroy the Jewish state of Israel.’ The Palestinians have given Israel little reason to think otherwise. “

Just yesterday on CNN the chief Palestinian representative to the US said that the objective of the proposal for statehood is to have two states, Israel and Palestine, living side by side in peace. I am sure that President Abbas will express similar sentiments to the UN. Mr. Benlolo’s anti-Palestinian rhetoric is so loud he apparently can’t hear the Palestinian overture of peace and recognition he says he wants.

Mr. Benlolo writes: “Like many Israelis, Lieberman believes that everything has been tried . . . .”

Has Israel tried stopping the illegal settlements and displacement of Palestinians? Doesn’t seem like it since the Israelis living in the West Bank have more than doubled since the late 1990's. Just what the heck is the point of building those settlements anyway, if Israel really wants peace.

Finally, Mr. Benlolo castigates the Palestinians for not knowing “how to share.” Given the systematic seizure of Palestinian land by Israel for settlement for 40 odd years, the Israeli notion of “share” seems to be: “What’s mine is mine and what’s yours is mine.”
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Marcus047
given up on HP
02:16 PM on 09/19/2011
"Has Israel tried stopping the illegal settlement s and displaceme nt of Palestinia ns?"

Yes, that was tried from 1948 through 1967, and still the palestinians and their Arab allies rejected peace.
04:49 PM on 09/19/2011
The Israelis stopped illegally settling in the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem from 1948-1967? Considering that Isreal did not occupy those areas until 1967, that is not much of a retort.
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se72748
04:14 PM on 09/19/2011
Before we start lambasting Israel,maybe we should stop building illegal settlements in america ,sence we stole the entire country from the american Indians.The Mexicans say Texas belongs to them and they want it back,but then the Mexicans stole Texas from the Indians .What a conumdrum..Hmm.Lets just let Israel handle its own problems and we will handle ours.
04:51 PM on 09/19/2011
"Lets just let Israel handle its own problems and we will handle ours."
You'd think there would be universal agreement on that issue... but the US is still planning on using a Veto in the UNSC next week, handling Israel's 'problems' for it once again.
06:16 PM on 09/19/2011
The atrocities of colonial times which you mention led to the establishment of current international law, which is that it is illegal for occuping forces to displace the native population. Israel has defied this generally accepted principle of international law for 40 odd years.
01:16 PM on 09/19/2011
Chiding the Palestinians for being intransigent is taking the victim of grand theft to task for demanding the return of his stolen property.
When "homeland" becomes synonymous with thievery furthered by violence it is time to rethink the concept, being based as it is on some pseudo-mystical, historically untenable DNA osmosis, whereby Eastern Europeans magically become Levantines and Levantines become displaced from their home in the Levant.
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AJ Raalte
Israel forever - warts and all.
03:04 PM on 09/19/2011
The Jews paid through the nose for ALL the land they held in 1948, and it was the Arabs who tried to steal their lawful possessions.

And... since when do Arabs object to conquering land by force? After all, that's exactly the way they got to have 22 Arab countries all the way through the Middle East and North Africa, instead of just the Arab peninsula, where they are the true original inhabitants.
01:27 AM on 09/20/2011
Well, the Arabian peninsula is quite a bit closer to the Levant than the Caucasus, the Volga, the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov.
06:43 PM on 09/19/2011
The average israeli is NOT of european ancestry.
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FearlessFreep
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01:03 PM on 09/19/2011
"Everything has been tried" (by Israel)? How about agreeing to stop the demolition of Palestinian homes?
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Vlady
Better Late
02:07 PM on 09/19/2011
>>How about agreeing to stop the demolition of Palestinia­n homes?

...and relinquish the country all together to Palestinian extremists
02:56 PM on 09/19/2011
Declaring two States hardly relinquishes the country to extremists. In 1948 the new State was to have half of the Arab real eastate. As it is now the Israelis occupy one hundred percent of the entire area. That includes Gaza. The fact that there are no Jewish settlements there does not mean that Israel does not control it. Anything coming in or going out of Gaza is controlled by the Israeli army. For national security reasons items such as chocolate, nutmeg, cinnamon and barby dolls are banned. I forgot. It's punishment for democratically electing, at the insistence of the State Department, a government we do not agree with and therefor consist of terrorists.
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se72748
04:15 PM on 09/19/2011
How about recognising Israels right to exist?That would be a new approach.
04:54 PM on 09/19/2011
I don't think you can characterize something that happened in 1993 as a "new approach." That's right, the PLO recognized Israel's right to exist in 1993, so what's your next decades-old false complaint?
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MelissaGoldman
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12:15 PM on 09/19/2011
the arab side launched wars and lost and yet they still haven't given up on the dream of destroying Israel so they're using palestinians as pawns to try to do that. Israel holds all the cards, which is as it should be given Israel won the wars. So the pals decided that they can try to use this stunt at the UN as leverage. It seems to be working that they're getting offers to stop the UN bid but they've climbed so far up into that tree that there's no turning back now. This seems to be the pals' fundamental problem, aside from making it their life's ambition to kill Jews--that they manage to find leverage but they don't know when to stop and end up blowing whatever capital they managed to gain.
They have nothing positive to gain from the UN bid and much to lose, although Idk if Israel and the US, not to mention the Euros will truly follow through on their threats to cud aid, etc. It truly depends on what happens after the UN bid...if nothing on the ground changes, the pals will lose nothing. On the other hand, that could lead to violence in which pals will lose a lot. I don't see how Israel stands to lose anything from the UN bid other than a diplomatic embarassment but given the UN has become a tool to poke Israel, I would think Israelis would be immune to that by now.
11:49 AM on 09/19/2011
"What is clear however is that they still want the whole enchilada. Maybe one day they will learn what every three-year-old already knows -- how to share."

Exactly. Israel is now going to learn after 60+ years of occupation. This is why the Palestinians are going ahead to the United Nations.
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01:04 PM on 09/19/2011
Israel: We have their land, so it's up to them to share it with us.
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AJ Raalte
Israel forever - warts and all.
08:30 AM on 09/21/2011
But then, it's not their (the Palestinians') land. Israel conquered it from the Jordanians after those foolishly attackted Israel in June 1967.