Few topics stir up more heated debate than how women fare in the workforce. Bloomberg columnist Ramesh Ponnuru recently took on this issue, soberly detailing research that shows discrimination isn't the primary reason why men continue to out-earn women.
As Ponnuru explains, some politicians and activists continue to use the statistic that women earn just 77 per cent of what men earn, implying that this is the gap that exists between your average male and female coworkers. But in fact, once factors such as occupation choice and hours worked are taken into account, just a small fraction of that gap remains.
It's not just conservatives who reach this conclusion: Studies by the American Association of University Women and the General Accounting Office have found the same. Researchers vary on how much of a gap lingers after controlling for men and women's different choices, but there's a near consensus that a large portion of that 77-cents-on-the-dollar gap has nothing to do with workplace discrimination.
As AEI's Christina Hoff Sommers concludes in a forthcoming book, "evidence of systemic gender discrimination by American employers is nowhere to be found."
Yet the bearers of this good news for women -- and it is good news, after all, that women aren't subjected to pervasive workplace discrimination -- are derided as women's enemies. The website Jezebel, for example, sneered that the true message of Ponnuru's column was that women should "shut up" about workplace discrimination and warned readers that they would want to "smack his smug face" after reading his column. Why are cheerleaders for women's equality so disturbed by research revealing that their cause is further along than they thought?
Presumably it's because those advocates want government to do more to help women's cause, and they believe exaggerating the problems women face will encourage action. Feminist groups constantly trumpet the Paycheck Fairness Act, for example, as a "solution" to the wage gap. Yet what this legislation would actual do is just make it easier for workers to sue employers for discrimination that's already illegal.
Some may believe that a bigger legal stick will lead to better worker treatment, but it seems just as likely to backfire on women by making the workforce less flexible, potentially-litigious female employees less attractive hires, and discouraging job creation.
Those who would have Ponnuru and others who question the "77-cents-on-the-dollar" mantra themselves "shut up" should consider what message they send young women entering the workforce. Is it really helpful for young women to assume that their bosses (and keep in mind that a majority of managers in the U.S. today are women) are overwhelmingly sexists? Wouldn't it be better if these young women had a sense of how the choices they make -- the careers they choose, the specialties they enter, and the work-schedules they arrange -- affect their earnings both now and in the future?
Some scholars believe that one driver of the remaining, unexplained wage gap is that women are less likely than men to negotiate their salaries. This deserves a lot more investigation and discussion. After all, that's useful information as I consider my next salary negotiation or a future job offer. As the mother of three girls, I can help make my daughters comfortable with talking about money and remind them of the importance of speaking up for themselves and their worth.
These are conversations that are worth having. And so-called women's advocates aren't living up to their name when they refuse to consider the evidence and move beyond the women-as-victim mantra.
Carrie Lukas is the managing director of the Independent Women's Forum.
"Increasing the number of women in traditionally male fields is likely to
improve wages for women, but it is unlikely to fully eliminate the pay
gap. The gender pay gap among workers in the traditionally male fields of
science, technology, engineering, and mathematics is smaller than the gap
found in the overall workforce; however, a pay gap still exists in these fields,
with women earning less than men.22"
This is just one obvservation of many contained in this report supposedly supporting this blogger's assertion. The blogger is chery picking and simply being completely dishonest about what the AAUW report acutally states.
No wonder she appears on Fox News.
Rather than celebrate the good news that there is no wage gap , some people insist on defending the rather implausible likelihood that there is one .
How is that even possible ? It's mostly women who do the hiring (check out your nearest HR department) It's mostly women who are managing . It's mostly women who are giving out promotions and raises . Do they discriminate against women too ?
There have been laws in place for decades that forbid sexist business practices . There are plenty of avenues open to rectify any perceived discrimination . We even have favoritism that benefits women in the workplace .
Now we have study after study saying that while there may be sexual discrimination in the workplace , it's rare and if there's a wage gap at all , it comes down to choices people make .
Rather than celebrate , some deny , get angry , and insist that they're victims .
Well , maybe they are but it's not necessarily because of their sex . The point is that if things aren't so bad , why insist that they are ?
If you go to the Wikipedia entry for the AAUW, it states that the entry appears to be unsourced, and "written as an advertisement". If you go their web site, or do a google search, you find self referential links to various AAUW affiliated groups. So, all we really know is that organzation exists, without knowing anything about who is funding it?
Lets assume for a second that AAUW study has some validity. What can YOU offer in peer-reviewed, acadamic review of it by non right wing think tank affiliated individuals. Given that the IWF is really only a right wing front group that calls itself "Independant", combined with the fact this blogger appears on FOX News, hardly the home of "objective reporting", you aren't making any kind of case that supports your assertions. The Onus IS NOT on those who object to this blogger's post, the onus is on YOU to make the case she should be taken SERIOUSLY AT ALL.
Well?
The power of eternal victimhood is immeasurable. Charities, quota's, encouragement, laws all favor women over men. Reparations must always be paid to the victims and a victims words always overide the oppressors. After all, who doesn't want to help a victim?
These women never wish to discuss how work place deaths are 94% male (4322 men 348 women in the US in 2010). Or that 80% of homeless are male. And god save you if you bring up that men still pay 96% of alimony and child support, even while 70% of divorces are instigates by women or that by a 3/2 margin more women are in or graduating from university than men. While they spend much effort on CEO positions and corporate boards I have yet to see them argue the ratio when it comes to dangerous occupations. When was the last time any woman's org published a call for more women coal miners or lumberjacks?
What should be noted is that men are finally smartening up and fleeing marriage and kids now. There is nothing in it for them any more.
AVFM.com is a good place to start, there's lots of Mens Rights Groups out there now. Just be careful, some strive for a true moral equality between Men and Women. Others are simply the Male equivalent to Jezebel, full of Anger, Hate and Vitriol.
Humanism is the True Equality. Have a Good Day, Fellow Canuck.
Personally, I think it is important that women recognize both aspects of this. There is sexism and there are choices in careers.
Why ignore any of it?
Tell me again that sexism as it pertains to female salaries doesn't exist.
When you found out that this other person was all of a sudden making double what you were making, did you discuss this with supervisors? How many times had you ask for a raise and got denied?
Umm, no that's not why things become illegal but thanks for coming out.